• Page :
  • 1
  • Text Only

I just got this in an email from Virtual Bank:

Dear Valued Client,

At VirtualBank, we value your business. It is important to us that we provide you with timely information regarding your bank account.

Periodically, we may change the terms and conditions associated with your bank account. The purpose of this letter is to notify you that we are making a change to the Rate and Fee Schedule (Including Truth in Savings Disclosures) of your eMoney Market account. The revised Rate and Fee Schedule will be effective January 10, 2005.

The changes to the eMoney Market account are highlighted in red below. To view the entire Rate and Fee Schedule (Including Truth in Savings Disclosure) please click on the following link: Rate and Fee Schedule.

Summary of Changes: The eMoney Market account will now have five tiers. The interest rate and annual percentage yield paid on your account will be based upon your daily balance in the account.

Effective January 10, 2005 the following changes will be made to the Rate and Fee Schedule (Including Truth in Savings Disclosure):

Rate Information - This account is an interest bearing account. The interest rate on this account is as indicated on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields" which reflect the current interest rates and annual percentage yields. These APYs can be found on the Bank's website at www.virtualbank.com.

There are five rate tiers on this account.

If the daily balance is less than $10,000.00, the interest rate paid on the entire balance in the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields".

If the daily balance is more than $9,999.99 but less than $25,000.00 the interest rate paid on the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields".

If the daily balance is more than $24,999.99 but less than $50,000.00, the interest rate paid on the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields".

If the daily balance is more than $49,999.99, but less than $100,000.00, the interest rate paid on the entire balance in the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields."

If the daily balance is more than $99,999.99 the interest rate paid on the entire balance in the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields."


Thank you for your business. It is our pleasure to serve you.

Sincerely,

VirtualBank Client Services


Update: I did not notice it posted in this thread a day earlier.


Thanks for the heads-up. Based on current rate schedule, there may be no different for the short while after the change. But who knows? It looks like a move towards lower interest rate for small players. Or higher interest for big savers?

eMoney Market Rate APY* Minimum to Open
(Balance limited to $100,000 per client) 2.27% 2.30% $100

Effective January 10, 2005, the following tiers will apply:

Under $10,000.00 2.27% 2.30% $100
$10,000.00 - $24,999.99 2.27% 2.30% $100
$25,000.00 - $49,999.99 2.27% 2.30% $100
$50,000.00 - $99,999.99 2.27% 2.30% $100
$100,000.00 and up 2.27% 2.30% $100

MM
PFBlog - The Unique Personal Finance Blog


i been looking for a reason to close this account since most of my cash is in ING anyway. lets hope they give me one fairly soon.


myth465 said: i been looking for a reason to close this account since most of my cash is in ING anyway. lets hope they give me one fairly soon.

Hey! "When banks compete, you win!" (c)


If the max balance you can keep in the account is $100,000, then why is there a "100,000 and up" tier? seems odd...


gnat said: If the max balance you can keep in the account is $100,000, then why is there a "100,000 and up" tier? seems odd...
Why would you want to put more than $100K into an account, since FDIC will only insure up to $100K per account? If you have more than $100K in cash, I would split it into two different accounts at the same bank, or put some into a second bank.


mikeres said:
Why would you want to put more than $100K into an account, since FDIC will only insure up to $100K per account? If you have more than $100K in cash, I would split it into two different accounts at the same bank, or put some into a second bank.


Insurance is not $100K per account. It is $100K per depositor per type of account (joint, individual, retirement, qualified trust). A two-person joint account could have $200K of insurance if neither owner had any other joint accounts at the institution. You cannot get additional insurance by splitting your deposit into additional accounts of the same type at the same bank.


Its time to reduce your holdings at Virtual Bank. If you have less than $10,000, they have increased their rate to 2.60%. Otherwise its still 2.30%.


To clarify for myself, my understanding of the tiers is that if you have 25K, 9,999 of it will earn 2.60% and 15,001 will earn 2.30%?. So discounting other 3% options, VB still earn about 17.50 more than current 2.35 ING. Ofcourse, the higher the balance, the difference will be less and at some point ING will be a few dollars more. That is, if my understanding of how the tiers work is correct.


tylr said: To clarify for myself, my understanding of the tiers is that if you have 25K, 9,999 of it will earn 2.60% and 15,001 will earn 2.30%?. So discounting other 3% options, VB still earn about 17.50 more than current 2.35 ING. Ofcourse, the higher the balance, the difference will be less and at some point ING will be a few dollars more. That is, if my understanding of how the tiers work is correct.
Doesn't look like it. According to the quote above, it says If the daily balance is more than $9,999.99 but less than $25,000.00 the interest rate paid on the account will be as indicated for that rate tier on the Bank's "Current Rates and Yields." It clearly says the the interest rate paid on THE ACCOUNT will be 2.3 -- NOT that the interest rate paid ON THAT PORTION or anything like that. Once you get to $10k, you're losing some money for yourself.


O.K. Thanks. CSR also confirmed it. I always thought that banks would want a larger deposits from customers so this seems to encourage people with large cash reserve to move their money out and leave only under 10K in. Kind of weird but I'll do that.


I just called in as well. They actually answer pretty quick, no voicemail tree. Your interest is accrued daily. If your balance at the end of the day is $10,000, you get 2.27% APR. If your balance at the end of the day is $9,999, you get 2.57% APR.

So it definitely is better to limit your account to under $10,000, but a couple of days at $10k+ won't hurt your interest for the entire month significantly. Definitely will change my behavior in the future though, thanks for the heads up! I would not have noticed this on my own, the front page still says 2.30% (edit, refreshed to show 2.60%)

This is most likely a way to show a teaser 2.60% to the public and get sign-ups, but limit their actually payout for large balances.

--
jonathan@mymoneyblog.com


Just called in--

The max amount of accounts an individual can open: 2.

So put in less than 10k in each account to maximize this deal, and drop the rest in ING.

(I'll probably put in $9,975 into each, to allow room for interst without going over the 10k threshold. Then set up a $25 monthly auto-transfer to my bank account.)


Hmm..Kind of interesting to wonder how many people with balance > 9,999 move their money vs. new customers signing up for the new rate if that's what VB's game is. I didn't move for .05% difference but did it for .30% with only 3 days lag. VB to BOA was 1 day ING pull from BOA was 2 days.


vakman said: Just called in--

The max amount of accounts an individual can open: 2.

So put in less than 10k in each account to maximize this deal, and drop the rest in ING.

(I'll probably put in $9,975 into each, to allow room for interst without going over the 10k threshold. Then set up a $25 monthly auto-transfer to my bank account.)



Before opening that 2nd VB account, get $20 + $20 if you can refer someone else in your family.

https://www.virtualbank.com/banking/ma_rf.asp


gnat said: If the max balance you can keep in the account is $100,000, then why is there a "100,000 and up" tier? seems odd...

New money is not allowed to get in if the balance is over $100K. However, money in your account can grow over $100K and keep growing.


thanks op, i did not catch this before. next month's cash saving goes to virtual bank!


FYI, VB changed the rate for the over 10k Tier. It's now 2.4% on the ENTIRE balance if you have more than 10k, 2.6% if you have less than 10k.

It's still a better deal for most people to have 2 VB accounts at slightly less than 10k and the remainder in ING.

But for the lazy, it's not quite such a huge difference anymore to have 2 VB accounts and no ING. (1 with less than 10k, one with the more)




Disclaimer: By providing links to other sites, FatWallet.com does not guarantee, approve or endorse the information or products available at these sites, nor does a link indicate any association with or endorsement by the linked site to FatWallet.com.


While FatWallet makes every effort to post correct information, offers are subject to change without notice.
Some exclusions may apply based upon merchant policies.
© 1999-2012