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bluegenie said:If you have to ask that question I suggest buying a target retirement 20xx fund and learning more about investing.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I go through scottrade. I have a question, though. I own a vanguard fund through scottrade, so will I get charged vanguard's $10 yearly fee for accounts under a certain dollar amount? I haven't had to pay any transaction fees for mutual funds through scottrade and this is the first I've heard of them starting to charge fees. That sucks.


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why would you buy Vanguard through ScottTrade? They charge you a commission, while Vanguard does not.

Also, you are probably not there yet, but if you have over $50,000 in multiple accounts with Vanguard, then you do not pay any annual service fees regardless of the balances in each individual account.


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Vanguard all the way for my IRA. I like that they have low fees and have a good variety of funds for my retirement portfollio.


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larrymoencurly said:Fidelity is trying to push all new customers into general brokerage accounts, and if you open an account online with them that's not in some kind of IRA, this is the only choice you're given, and some of their employees wrongly insisted that brokerage accounts were required even for IRAs. This setup requires having not only a mutual fund but also a Fidelity cash account, and any mutual fund trades are required to be be made with that cash account, requiring two steps to move money between the mutual fund and your bank account. You can still open up a regular mutual fund-only account with them if you do it by phone, fax, or mail.There are some advantages to a brokerage account (at least for taxable accounts), even if you only want to buy mutual funds. It allows you to track basis by specific shares, rather than average only, which means you can minimize taxable gains. (I don't know about Fidelity, but most mutual fund accounts do not do this.) Also, margin borrowing against fund positions becomes possible.

At Vanguard, in contrast, it's not possible to hold Vanguard mutual funds in a brokerage account.


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thanks for the tips! let's keep this discussion going. i will purchase that book mentioned above and read it before i invest.


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I'd suggest you get it at your local library.

You might also want to check out
-Straight Talk on Investing: What You Need to Know by Jack Brennan, Marta McCave
-Index Mutual Funds: Profiting from an Investment Revolution by W. Scott Simon
-Wealth of Experience: Real Investors on What Works and What Doesn't by Andrew Clarke (Author), Jack Brennan
-The Only Guide to a Winning Investment Strategy You'll Ever Need: Index Mutual Funds and Beyond - The Way Smart Money Invests Today
by Larry E. Swedroe
-Saving Money by Norman Deitz
-7 Money Mantras for a Richer Life : How to Live Well with the Money You Have by MICHELLE SINGLETARY


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Vanguard charges 10 dollar fee a year if you keep less than 5g's in your retirement account. So all you have to do is max out your Roth Ira this year at 3gs (not today the 31st as they may charge you 10 dollars). Then anytime after April 15th add in the additional 2gs before the end of the year. You skip out on the 10 dollar fee a year (which I assume they charge at the end of the year).

Any combination of money before the April 15th and afterwards but before December 31st totalling 5gs should allow you to avoid the fee.

I know it requires a lot of saving for a Roth Ira to avoid 10 dollars, but I plan to max out on it while I can.

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any further input?

newb investor, looking to start IRA as well. Vanguard and Fidelity do look good.


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I have a question: I opened an IRA account with Vanguard, and buy a index fund, if I want to sell part of the fund and buy another fund, will Vanguard charge any fee for the exchange?


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riverwater said:I have a question: I opened an IRA account with Vanguard, and buy a index fund, if I want to sell part of the fund and buy another fund, will Vanguard charge any fee for the exchange?

No exchange fee if they are all VG funds, but check other fees like short-term trade fees, etc.


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Another great way to learn is to read the discussions at morningstar.com. There are forums for each large broker's clients, as well as general forums.


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76hhma said:riverwater said:I have a question: I opened an IRA account with Vanguard, and buy a index fund, if I want to sell part of the fund and buy another fund, will Vanguard charge any fee for the exchange?

No exchange fee if they are all VG funds, but check other fees like short-term trade fees, etc.


And taxes


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You don't pay taxes on the investments inside a traditional IRA until you remove funds from the IRA.


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Eddie said:76hhma said:riverwater said:I have a question: I opened an IRA account with Vanguard, and buy a index fund, if I want to sell part of the fund and buy another fund, will Vanguard charge any fee for the exchange?

No exchange fee if they are all VG funds, but check other fees like short-term trade fees, etc.


And taxes


should be no taxes on Roth IRA, am I right?


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If your goal is to buy into a good (individual) stock, or roll your IRA/401(k) into a good investment stock, try Bank of New York's low, low fee on General Electric stock. When I direct rollover my 401(k), it's all going into GE Stock. This is one of the last companies you could expect to earn less than 8-10% return each year.


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quick question, is $2500 the minimum buy-in for any fund through fidelity? my gf put $3k in for last year and bought one fund for $2500 (figured it was a typical initial investment). but when i try to buy any fund with the remaining $500 it says something about a $2500 min again.


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If you don't have enough to put in to waive the fees, you can always go with Scottrade and then transfer it out later. Scottrade is free to close and transfer out. Nobody mentioned going with Scottrade and buying ETFs.

I don't see why you can't do this... can you have multiple Roth accounts at the same time? Keep one at Scottrade and one at Vanguard or Fidelity. As long as you don't go over the contribution limit in total you should be ok. (If someone knows why or if you can't do this, please post a response).


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was that an answer to me?


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I don't see why you can't do this... can you have multiple Roth accounts at the same time? Keep one at Scottrade and one at Vanguard or Fidelity. As long as you don't go over the contribution limit in total you should be ok. (If someone knows why or if you can't do this, please post a response).

Yes, you can do this


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