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I asked this question before for ING but now that EmigrantDirect has 3% APY it's a little different.
I have $9000 in government savings bonds (I type) bought back when you could purchases them with credit card. From the calculator program, my rate is 3.49% with yield of 2.89%. I'm not sure what to make of these numbers. Is this better or worse than the EmigrantDirect pf 3% APY?? The concensus with regard to ING vs Savings bonds was to stick with the savings bonds but now i'm not so sure..


I savings bonds have a penalty if cashed in before 5 years equal to 3 month interest. They are deferrred from federal income tax until the I savings bonds are redeemed, So that redeeming the I savings bonds for deposit in a Bank would be advantageous only if the interest rate is sufficently higher. Of course we do not know what the future interest rates will be, however the I savings bond rate will track inflation rate.


I assume your quotes of rate and yield are from the savings bond wizard program or from savingsbond.gov -- according to that program yield = the average rate of interest your bond has yielded over its life to date (ie since the month you purchased it). The rate of interest on your I bonds changes every 6 mos. So, over the life of the bond the rate will vary. At some point in time your bond was paying less than 3% in order for your average yield to be showing as 2.89%. However if your rate is showing as rate = 3.49% your bond is now paying 3.49% which is higher than 3% so it would be silly to cash them out in order to put your money in a lower paying account especially if your bonds are less than 5 years old and subject to the early redemption 3 months of interest penalty.


I-Bonds are federal tax deferred until redemption and 100% tax-free if you use the money to pay for a child's college tuitution. I-Bonds are also free from state income taxes. And with the current rates at 3.49%, above Emigrant's 2.96%, you would be much better off keeping it in I-Bonds.

Emigrant allows you more flexibility, in that you can use the money as a revolving cash account with up to 6 withdrawls per month and unlimited deposits. In this way, you can use it to buffer short-term cash needs and you can also add to your savings without buying another I-Bond and locking money for min 12 months.

A combination strategy may be best, keeping your I-bond for permenant savings, and sweeping liquid cash into Emigrant until you need it.


hiddendragon999 said: I-Bonds are federal tax deferred until redemption and 100% tax-free if you use the money to pay for a child's college tuitution. I-Bonds are also free from state income taxes. And with the current rates at 3.49%, above Emigrant's 2.96%, you would be much better off keeping it in I-Bonds.

I am a full time graduate student and redeemed some I bonds last year. Is this interest 100% tax free for my tuition too?


Hang on to the I-bonds. When your rate re-adjusts it will be 3.77% (1.1% above inflation based on when you bought it). Don't cash them until the 5-year period is ended if you can avoid it, and you will recapture the extra three months interest, effectively adding about 1/4% per year to the yield.


pondscum said: I am a full time graduate student and redeemed some I bonds last year. Is this interest 100% tax free for my tuition too?
A full time graduate student isn't resouceful enough to read www.irs.gov? My, how our educational standards have declined (or is this a CUNY school?)


Well I would say it reflects the complexity of US tax laws more than the "decilining standards". I have seen accounting majors struggle with them .. and I am just a mere engineer .
FYI I did goto to the IRS website and found something interesting in Pub. 970:

Qualified U.S. savings bonds. A qualified U.S. savings bond is a series EE bond issued after 1989 or a series I bond. The bond must be issued either in your name (as the sole owner) or in the name of both you and your spouse (as co-owners).

The owner must be at least 24 years old before the bond's issue date. The issue date is printed on the front of the savings bond.

The issue date is not necessarily the date of purchase—it will be the first day of the month in which the bond is purchased.

So I guess i can't claim it against my education expenses since I was 23 when I purchased the bonds .
The purpose of my post was to start a discussion on this so that others who are in position similar to mine ...can discuss and mutually benefit from it. After all, isn't that why people come to FW? (it could be argued that some ppl are just here to FLAME others!!). Every information is available somewhere ELSE .. but ppl come here to know and discuss their situations so that you LEARN something new. I was expecting someone knowledgeable or someone in a similar situation to reply so that we could carry the discussion further! If you aren't interested then simply move on, u don't HAVE to reply.

RallyCap said: A full time graduate student isn't resouceful enough to read www.irs.gov? My, how our educational standards have declined (or is this a CUNY school?)


Right now the I bonds are paying 4.8%. Since they are indexed annually I think they might be a nice investment here in this low interest rate enrivonment. The only thing is if you cash them in less than 5 years you lose 3 months interest. Since you only have to hold them (12) months min they appear to be a good deal.Any ideas?

Rob


flygirl1 said: Hang on to the I-bonds. When your rate re-adjusts it will be 3.77% (1.1% above inflation based on when you bought it). Don't cash them until the 5-year period is ended if you can avoid it, and you will recapture the extra three months interest, effectively adding about 1/4% per year to the yield.

I think that the interest rate for the next interest rate period would be 4.70%, from this link.

Edit: This assumes that the fixed rate is 1.1%.

(I don't understand how you figured out the fixed rate from the original post.)




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