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beethovengirl
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posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 4:35p
dolmar said:HSBC only pays interest on "Collected Average Balance" if you getting interest any quicker than that you are lucky as they are under no obligation to do so according to there terms of service.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=3a335e0da1e95183b6238dcccfaadcde&rgn=div5&view=text&node=12:3.0.1.1.10&idno=12#12:3.0.1.1.10.2.8.5
Regulation CC
"229.14 Payment of interest.
(a) In general. A depositary bank shall begin to accrue interest or dividends on funds deposited in an interest-bearing account not later than the business day on which the depositary bank receives credit for the funds."
My check cleared on 3/7. HSBC did not accrue interest on the full amount of the deposit until 3/8 (97% on 3/7). So my question was, if the check cleared on 3/7, when did HSBC receive credit? 3/7 or 3/8? |
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dolmar
- Senior Member - 4K
posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 4:41p
I dont care what Reglulation C states. I would find it hard to believe you deposit a Check on 3-7 and it clears on 3-7.
Read the terms of service from HSBC. I had a disagreement with Ajluluis about it in this thread and 6% HSBC thread and in both threads after posting HSBC terms of service who both say they only pay interest on "Collected Daily Balance" he agreed that when he makes a deposit on friday he never to start earn interest before tuesday on his deposit.
I find hard to beleive regulation CC is even current as almost all big banks today pay on "Collected Average Balance" Read BOA Affinity thread. US Bank, Chase, Wachoiva, HSBC, WAMU and BOA are comfirmed to pay interest on "Collected Daily Balance" and only Big Mega bank left that pay interest on "Daily Average Balance" is Citi. But if you are sure that law is current or "Funds" does not mean checks but cash then sue them. |
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beethovengirl
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posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 4:57p
dolmar said:I dont care what Reglulation C states. I would find it hard to believe you deposit a Check on 3-7 and it clears on 3-7.
I deposited the check on 3/6 [the date it posted my account]. My check cleared on 3/7. HSBC did not accrue interest on the full amount of the deposit until 3/8 (97% on 3/7).
Can anyone answer my question: if the check cleared on 3/7, when did HSBC receive credit? 3/7 or 3/8? |
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dolmar
- Senior Member - 4K
posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 8:15p
HSBC terms Cut and Pasted from another thread cause I guess it was just to hard for you look them up and because you need everything spoon feed to you.
Thread
NOTE:
Ask your branch for its "cut-off time." For interest bearing checking products, interest begins to accrue no later than the business day the Bank receives credit for deposit of noncash items. For savings accounts, interest begins to accrue on the business day the Bank makes funds available in your account. For CDs, interest begins to accrue on the business day you deposit noncash items.
So if you deposit funds directly into savings account then the day the hold was released you started to earn interest. If you deposit the money into checking account then the day HSBC collected funds you should begin to accure interest. I would assume it might take the bank 1 day to recieve funds once your acount is debited because it not like HSBC sends a check let says to BOA and then BOA wires the funds for each check seperately. I am sure they do batch processing so 1 extra day after your funds been debited from your account is not outrages. It very possible banks trade money after hours ie so even tho your funds got debited on 3-7 HSBC might got thoses funds on 3-7 after banking hours thus they dont pay interest till 3-8. |
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beethovengirl
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 9:01p
dolmar said:HSBC terms Cut and Pasted from another thread cause I guess it was just to hard for you look them up and because you need everything spoon feed to you.
I am fully aware of the terms of the Online Savings acct. I stated earlier today, "...you earn interest when HSBC receives credit for the check." More precisely, "Interest begins to accrue no later than the business day we receive credit for deposit of noncash items (e.g., checks)." http://www.banking.us.hsbc.com/personal/deposits/OnlineSavings_T&Cs.pdf
The statement you quoted about interest accruing on savings accounts when the funds are available is from the "Rules for Deposit Accounts." The T&Cs of the Online Savings acct state, "This document is part of the “Rules for Deposit Accounts”. In case of inconsistency between this document and the rules, this document governs."
My only question was: how do I know when HSBC received credit for the check? If it is true that HSBC didn't receive credit until the day after it cleared [or after the cutoff time], then fine, I'm not complaining. However, I e-mailed the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and they said, "If you deposit a check on Monday before the bank's cutoff, the bank will send that check for processing Monday night. The bank will typically receive credit from the Federal Reserve on Monday night."
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dolmar
- Senior Member - 4K
posted: Apr. 3, 2007 @ 9:21p
beethovengirl said:My only question was: how do I know when HSBC received credit for the check? If it is true that HSBC didn't receive credit until the day after it cleared [or after the cutoff time], then fine, I'm not complaining. However, I e-mailed the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and they said, "If you deposit a check on Monday before the bank's cutoff, the bank will send that check for processing Monday night. The bank will typically receive credit from the Federal Reserve on Monday night."
They might recieve credit from the Feds on Monday night except if the bank uses an uncollected balance or owes the Feds money they are charged the Feds Fund rate. Also many banks do not clear via the Fed always but sometimes clear directly between each other. Normally large banks like Citibank, HSBC, BOA, etc might clear checks amoung each directly but will clear checks from smaller banks via Fed. This allows them to collect the funds faster without having to mail checks to regional Federal reserve bank they are drawn against.
I think you are confusing getting credit for funds vs collecting funds. Just like HSBC can give you instant credit for deposit they dont pay interest till they collected on thoses funds. The Fed might give a bank credit for funds but if these access those funds before Fed collects from the other bank then Feds charges them interest. The reason many banks have moved to "Collect Balance" formula is because of the competition between banks has squeezed profit margins. 10 years ago large B&M banks paid most account holder little to no interest. With IGN and interest I have a felling many B&M banks are being forced to raised rates to fend off having there deposit base canabalized by smaller online banks thus it is eating away at there margins.
What I dont understand is what is stoping Citibank and all other smaller banks from switching from "Daily Average Balance" to "Daily Collected Balance" calculation. I dont the software or hardware required to calculate costs that much today but I could be wrong. I know 5 years ago almost no bank used "Daily Collect Balance" calculation so maybe "Office of the Comptroller of the Currency" still believes most banks are still using Daily Average Balance calculation or just does not grasp the concept that there is a difference between getting credit and collecting the funds. |
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a2vicki
- Member
posted: Apr. 4, 2007 @ 12:33a
Maybe a dumb question, can I send a rebate check (or any checks not originated by me) having my name as the payee to HSBC to deposit to my account? |
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Sean84
- Member
posted: Apr. 4, 2007 @ 2:09a
a2vicki said:Maybe a dumb question, can I send a rebate check (or any checks not originated by me) having my name as the payee to HSBC to deposit to my account?
here are the instructions for Deposit by Mail
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maddybeagle
- Greedy Member
posted: Apr. 4, 2007 @ 8:59a
I have sent citibank BT checks (that are addressed to me for deposit) to both HSBC and Wells, no problem....the previous link probably gives the address to send along with putting your account number on the back.... |
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djspray
- Addicted Member
posted: Apr. 4, 2007 @ 11:39a
Sean84 said:a2vicki said:Maybe a dumb question, can I send a rebate check (or any checks not originated by me) having my name as the payee to HSBC to deposit to my account?
here are the instructions for Deposit by Mail
D@#$! Just yesterday, I deposited my Citi BT check yesterday with a 4-day hold (5K) and 11-day hold(other 10k) into my Regions account because I couldn't find the mail instructions. Thanks for posting, though... |
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a2vicki
- Member
posted: Apr. 4, 2007 @ 4:26p
Sean84 said:a2vicki said:Maybe a dumb question, can I send a rebate check (or any checks not originated by me) having my name as the payee to HSBC to deposit to my account?
here are the instructions for Deposit by Mail
thanks |
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unimatrixzer0
- Member
posted: Apr. 7, 2007 @ 2:10p
Is something up with HSBC? Lately over the past few days I've been getting duplicate "Welcome to HSBC" or "Welcome to HSBC eStatements" emails over and over again. I sighed up about 2 months ago and received those statements back then. Anyone else getting similar emails? |
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