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Pennfrog:

Go with the first option to make sure you lock in your rate before July 1. You don't actually have to then apply for income sensitive terms. I would simply call and ask what they are. They will not likely be anywhere as nice as those offered by direct loans. At that point, you apply to direct loans. If your lender refuses to release your loan information to direct, you need to start writing some letters and perhaps get the Department of Education Loan Ombudsman's office to help you.

Rathipon


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Doublehelix:

Your plan makes sense. Lock in the rate now and consolidate with your single lender.. then worry about trying to move your loan ultimately to UHEAA.

The thing to keep in mind is that even if you reconsolidate with UHEAA after July 1, you will still have the rate you locked in now. The July 1 deadline is for first-time consolidations. Your rate will not change in the future at all for subsequent consolidations. Thats why getting around the single lender rule is not about getting a lower rate, its about getting benefits offered by a different lender.

Rathipon


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Rathipon:

Thanks for all the great advice and homework to help make this happen. I'll post more when I start implementing all of this.

Pennfrog


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I second those thanks, Rathipon. You've been a big help.

Here's my updated plan of attack -- Since my Perkins loans are locked in at 5% and are currently in grace for another 7 months or so, I'm in no rush to consolidate those. For now, I'm finalizing my app to Sallie Mae to lock in my rate on the Staffords. Once that goes through, I'll begin the petitioning process, using my unconsolidated Perkins loans as my golden ticket out of this single-lender mess. Hopefully, it all works out and I'll be safely with either UHEAA or allstudentloans.com (for the longer interest only payment). I'll let you all know how it goes.


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USCGrouch - since they use a weighted average, the fact that your perkins are at 5% is somewhat irrelevant.. ie, it will bring down your perkins by the exact same dollar amount as it will increase say your staffords..
Oh, and UHEAA and others can delay disbursement for up to 6 months so you wont lose your grace period. I dont see any benefit whatsoever to consolidating with sallae mae. You should go straight to uheaa or allstudentloans.

btw, are you grad or undergrad? I just graduated USC law..
-Andrew


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Hey. Nice to meet you. I graduated this past Spring...English...Undergrad. And I'm pretty upset about there being no beer at football games now. But I digress...

The reason I'm consolidating with SallieMae is because I'm shackled to them via the single-lender rule. As such, the only way I can lock in the rate by the June 31st deadline is by going through them for the time being. After I lock in the rate, I'll use the Perkins to bust me out of SM's clutches (hopefully).


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I am in Pharmacy school and looking to take advantage of the opportunity to lock in these low interest rates while still in school. I currently have ~$29,000 in Stafford loans, mostly subsidized. I have 3 years of school left, needing around ~$20,000 per year in future loans. A couple of questions:

1) Should I consolidate the loans I have now while still in school? Why?

2) Do I have time to do so before the July 1st deadline? It looks like some are saying there is no longer enough time.

I apologize for my ignorance on the subject, I have gone through these posts and am trying to understand, but still need some help. My financial aid department is less than helpful. You should feel lucky davidlg16 that your fin. aid office contacts you and tries to help you with this stuff. I'm relying on the expertise of FWers here, so help if you can. It is GREATLY appreciated!


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Actually, I've found T.H.E. (also known as Northstar) to be a great company. Very nice people, quick to reply, very helpful.
They are a direct contrast with Sallie Mae, demon spawn from Hell. Did *you* know that SM has moved about 30% of its customer service ops to India? When you call in and speak with "Sam" or "Jeanie" or one of the other people, check their accent out. I have no problem talking w/people outside the U.S., but when they have problems understanding my language...well that's not good. The only good thing is you can curse at them and they wouldn't know what you meant

UHEAA - #1 choice for consolidations
Northstar/THE - #2 choice
CFS Group - #3 choice
Sallie Mae (aka Demon Spawn) - are you kidding? LAST CHOICE, always.

Three reasons why not to do business with SM include #1, #2 and #3. If you need anymore reasons, just ask and I will be glad to post another 100 or so.

doublehelix747 said:Need help here... I graduated two weeks ago and currently hold a single loan, i.e. an Unsub Federal Stafford loan from the T.H.E. Loan Group.....


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Hey Grouch - I think you may be mistaken re: the single lender rule. As long as you have perkins' held at USC and your staffords somewhere else UHEAA will be able to do it all for you. They will do some magic behind the scenes (they call it two phases and will send you 2 different promissory notes) but as far as you are concerned its all done through them, you fill out the same one form, etc.. you just list both the perkins and the staffords on it (obviously)..

Later,
Andrew


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he's still doing the right thing -- there is no time to consolidate all of his loans via UHEAA, and if he doesn't consolidate and lock in the low interest rates on the loans he has with SM, he'll miss out big time. So he'll do SM first, then he'll have a single SM loan at a low and locked rate plus all his perkins, which can alltogether be consolidated with UHEAA.


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Bump! Can anyone help?

str8flush22 said:I am in Pharmacy school and looking to take advantage of the opportunity to lock in these low interest rates while still in school. I currently have ~$29,000 in Stafford loans, mostly subsidized. I have 3 years of school left, needing around ~$20,000 per year in future loans. A couple of questions:

1) Should I consolidate the loans I have now while still in school? Why?

2) Do I have time to do so before the July 1st deadline? It looks like some are saying there is no longer enough time.

I apologize for my ignorance on the subject, I have gone through these posts and am trying to understand, but still need some help. My financial aid department is less than helpful. You should feel lucky davidlg16 that your fin. aid office contacts you and tries to help you with this stuff. I'm relying on the expertise of FWers here, so help if you can. It is GREATLY appreciated!


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Nevermind, I'm an idiot. Thread "Student Loan Consolidation Deals and Info" answered my questions for me. You don't need to tell me to read the threads before asking dumb questions b/c I figured that out myself!

str8flush22 said:Bump! Can anyone help?

str8flush22 said:I am in Pharmacy school and looking to take advantage of the opportunity to lock in these low interest rates while still in school. I currently have ~$29,000 in Stafford loans, mostly subsidized. I have 3 years of school left, needing around ~$20,000 per year in future loans. A couple of questions:

1) Should I consolidate the loans I have now while still in school? Why?

2) Do I have time to do so before the July 1st deadline? It looks like some are saying there is no longer enough time.

I apologize for my ignorance on the subject, I have gone through these posts and am trying to understand, but still need some help. My financial aid department is less than helpful. You should feel lucky davidlg16 that your fin. aid office contacts you and tries to help you with this stuff. I'm relying on the expertise of FWers here, so help if you can. It is GREATLY appreciated!


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If you are like me, and trying to get your UHEAA Loan Consolidation App (click here!!) into UHEAA on time, try that link! Call/go online to get your current loan providers rates, and consolidate with UHEAA --pronto--. Here is their address:
Utah Higher Education Assistance Authority
PO BOX 45202
SALT LAKE CITY UT 84145-0202

Phone: (877) 336-7378

**Remember, July 1 is the deadline. D/L the forms, print out, fill in, mail via U.S. Mail (or Fedex, call them for their street address) and save money. I stand to save ~$200 in 10 yrs with the consolidation. Not bad at all.

update:
I sent an email to UHEAA about consolidating my two loans (two different lenders) and here is what they had to say:

Dear xxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your interest in UHEAA's consolidation program!

Consolidation is a process that takes your FFELP loans, that are
variable interest rate loans, and creates a fixed rate loan. It combines
your loans to one holder, although keeps your subsidized and
unsubsidized balances separate for deferment purposes.

Please be aware that consolidation locks in a weighted average of your
current interest rates. We have Borrower Benefits to help you reduce
that interest rate.

The interest rate that is locked in is the interest rate in effect at
the time the consolidation application is received. Therefore, to lock
in the lowest interest rate, please return the completed application to
us by June 30th, 2005
.

If you choose to participate in our Auto Pay program, having your
monthly payments automatically withdrawn from a checking or savings
account, we will reduce your interest rate by 1.25%. Then after 48
consecutive, on time payments, we reduce your interest rate by another
1.00%.

Please log onto our website at www.uheaa.org. On our website you find
the ability to print an application, find information about loan
eligibility, and find repayment calculators that will help you determine
your repayment options.

Also, feel free to contact a Borrower Services representative toll free
at 1-877-336-7378, Monday through Friday, 8am to 5pm, MST, with further
questions or concerns.

Thank You,

Roger
Borrower Services Assistant
Utah Higher Education Assistance Authority
1-877-336-7378

**FYI: Student loan rates are going up, by about 1.25%, so make sure you get your loan app back into whichever company you choose! UHEAA is #1 in my opinion, CFSLoans is also good...and Sallie Mae is the Devil.


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Weird, I have loans from Wells Fargo and Direct Loan, and when I try to consolidate with
UHEAA, the CS told me that i fall under the single lender rule and I will not be able
to consolidate with them, but I can do it with just the direct loan portion.

What can i do to have them consolidate both ?


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Turtleman,

I think the reason you were told this is that Direct loans are not considered FFELP loans, and thus do not give you diversity for the purposes of the single lender rule. I would consolidate the direct loan with UHEAA right now, and the other loan with Wells Fargo. You can then make a new consolidation with UHEAA after both of those are complete. Speak with UHEAA loan origination first to make sure.

Rathipon


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Turtleman said:Weird, I have loans from Wells Fargo and Direct Loan, and when I try to consolidate with
UHEAA, the CS told me that i fall under the single lender rule and I will not be able
to consolidate with them, but I can do it with just the direct loan portion.

What can i do to have them consolidate both ?

Turtleman: Is the Wells Fargo loan a private loan, or was it originally Stafford/Perkins (public)?
Was the Direct Loan from already consolidated loans, a true "direct loan", Stafford or Perkins?

Answer both ?s and I can be of help. Keep in mind, if the CS @UHEAA tells you something and knows *all* the details, they are most likely correct. The UHEAA is run out of Utah you know...Mormons are pretty straight shooters.


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Thanks for replys guys,

When i called and asked UHEAA about my loans, I told them i have direct loan from university, and then
i took out another loan while i was in JC, which it shows as a Stafford loan.

When I told them it is from wells fargo, the CSR just said oh it is a single lender, so UHEAA can't do it for me.


"
Turtleman: Is the Wells Fargo loan a private loan, or was it originally Stafford/Perkins (public)?
Was the Direct Loan from already consolidated loans, a true "direct loan", Stafford or Perkins
"

I don't think it is a private loan, since i took it out via school, so I'd say it is a stafford.
My direct loans has not consoldiate yet, both un-sub and sub Stafford loans.
Thats why i want to consodliate my loans now, just graduated.

Thanks !


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For those wishing to consolidate in the future, remember this rule. Very helpful...
If I chose one (lender), I have no fun. The bank slams the door
but if I choose two, that's fun for me and not the banking wh***s"


I have two different lenders (banks...let's keep this simple OK?) across my two loans. Had I chosen the same bank on both loans, well that would have been VERY bad! I would go through the whole Direct Loan conversion. Not good!!


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Turtleman:

This is what I think you need to do.

1. Call up Direct Loan origination center, and create a consolidation for that single Direct loan.
2. Create a separate consolidation with Wells Fargo for the Stafford Loan.
3. Do the above before the end of this month to lock in the rate.
4. After the Direct Loan consolidation is created, reconsolidate it with UHEAA.
5. Once your Direct loan is reconsolidated with UHEAA, you now have diversity for the purposes of the single lender rule. You will want to request that UHEAA 'add on' the Wells Fargo loan within 180 days of completing the UHEAA consolidation.


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Rathipon said:Turtleman:

This is what I think you need to do.

1. Call up Direct Loan origination center, and create a consolidation for that single Direct loan.
2. Create a separate consolidation with Wells Fargo for the Stafford Loan.
3. Do the above before the end of this month to lock in the rate.
4. After the Direct Loan consolidation is created, reconsolidate it with UHEAA.
5. Once your Direct loan is reconsolidated with UHEAA, you now have diversity for the purposes of the single lender rule. You will want to request that UHEAA 'add on' the Wells Fargo loan within 180 days of completing the UHEAA consolidation.


I am sorry, but I am not sure if this is correct, because I have multiple Direct loans, both unsub and sub,
so 1. I should do a consolidation with Direct Loan(which I can do it online) with all the loans that I have with them. which is 20k.
2. Then I should call up Wells Fargo ? and asks them to consolidate that one single Stafford loan? 2k here.

Or, can i do it like this,

Consolidate the direct loans with UHEAA which is the 20k part, then consolidate the Wells Fargo's loan with WF ?
UHEAA told me that I can consolidate the direct loans part with them, but not the Wells Fargos, thats why it left me
here struggle to think about what I should do with my WF loan..

Thanks again for the advise !



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