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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 15, 2005 @ 11:55p
Turtleman,
I am wondering if you will be able to consolidate the 2k WF loan on its own. I think there is a minimum amount requirement. If thats the case, you have two options.
1. do as you said. Consolidate the direct loans with UHEAA now. After the UHEAA consolidation is complete, the single lender rule will no longer apply because you will have FFELP loans with two separate banks. You can then add the WF loan to the UHEAA consolidation. However, the WF add on will be after July 1, so that 2k will be at a higher rate. The jist of it, and I'm not sure, is that the 2k add on might end up slightly bumping up your rate on the entire loan due to the weighted average formula.
2. Consolidate both the WF and Direct loans with a Direct loan consolidation. You will lock in the low rate on the entire amount. When this consolidation is complete, simply reconsolidate with UHEAA to obtain their benefits. At this point you would have locked in the rate, so it won't matter if this reconsolidation takes place after July 1. Direct loans will always release your loan info to UHEAA so that is not a concern either.
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Turtleman
- Broke Member
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 5:11a
Thanks Rath,
The second way seem better for the long run, but you sure i will be able to reconsodliate with UHEAA after i consoldiate it with Direct Loans already ? I thought I have to take out another loan then UHAA will consolidate for me, maybe I am wrong ?  |
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april22
- New Member
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 4:19p
I have about $17,500 in student loans with Sallie Mae being my only lender. After I researched around on the internet and came across this board, I went to my school to talk to the financial aid guy. I was told that the Dept of Education will be able to consolidate your loan even if you only have one lender. So I called Sallie Mae and asked them if they would release my loan, and they said they would, but only to the Dept of Education for the Direct loan. My question is after I consolidate with the Dept of Edu, could I reconsolidate it again with a different company? I called the Dept of Edu to verify that they would be able to consolidate my loan with Sallie Mae, and I think they said after they get my loan I could consolidate with anyone I wanted to, but I am not sure because I have talked to so many people. Thanks for any information.
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 17, 2005 @ 4:48p
To answer the above two posts, my understanding is that Direct Loans will release loan information to any FFELP lender. I suggest calling the Direct Loan Origination Center to verify.
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ChiefT
- New Member
posted: Jun. 22, 2005 @ 5:34p
Rath, thanks for all of your work on this.
My situation: 1) I am subject to Sallie Mae's clutches through the 'single lender' rule. 2) I consolidated with them in early June. 3) My consolidation is still pending because I requested the 6 month grace period when I originally filled out my consolidation request with them. 4) After reading this great forum, I just asked them to waive my 6 month grace period (to finalize the consolidation). Was this a good move? (Too late if it's not okay!)
My action plan: 1) Confirm that the consolidation was completed. 2) Consolidate (online?) with US Dept of Education. How would I list my loans, then, on the application? All of my individual Stafford loans or the total amount I consolidated with SM? 3) Reconsolidate with UHEAA.
The people at UHEAA didn't seem to understand what I meant by 'reconsolidating' with them, fyi.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts on my situation and on my 'action plan'. ChiefT |
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 22, 2005 @ 10:24p
I think you may have saved yourself a big headache by waiving the grace period. What Sallie Mae does is defer funding the consolidation loan until the end of the 6 month grace period. That way, you can consolidate during your grace period and save .6%, and also take full advantage of the 6 months without payments or interest acruing on the subsidized loans. My guess though is that if the consolidation doesn't fund before July 1, you end up consolidating after the rates go up on that date. Thus, by waiving the grace period and consolidating now, you accrue a few extra months of interest on your subsidized loans, but at a much lower rate for the life of the loan.
Your 'action plan' seems sound to me. Just make sure your consolidation processes before July 1. Once you are with Direct Loans, you have escaped the clutches of the single lender rule and can move to UHEAA or elsewhere.
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ChiefT
- New Member
posted: Jun. 23, 2005 @ 11:51p
Thanks, Rath.
I know that I had the current low rate locked in (2.875%, not including any benefits/discounts), even with my initial request to keep my grace period, but thanks for the reinforcement of my decision to waive the grace period.
Now that my SM consolidation is finalized (received confirmation), I should be able to do the Direct Loans thing. How would I list my current loans on the Direct Loans application?
1) List them as individual loans (Sub & Unsub FFELP), as originally funded? 2) List them as one loan, with the consolidated amount?
Thanks again, Rath. ChiefT |
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 24, 2005 @ 12:59a
List them exactly at they will be listed by Sallie Mae when your consolidation is complete. |
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AaRdVarK
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 24, 2005 @ 2:34p
Is there still time to get this happening before June 30? My wife has one DirectLoan and seven loans through SallieMae. I called UHEEA, and they told me that because my wife was in graduate school, she would not qualify for consolidation. Any ideas? |
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 24, 2005 @ 7:01p
Aardvark:
You definately want to consolidate somewhere -anywhere- before July 1. You need to get your consolidating bank the paperwork before then in order to make the cut-off. I'm not sure if Sallie Mae is offering in-school consolidations. I would call them first. If not, I'm pretty sure Direct Loans will consolidate them, but you might have to fight Sallie Mae on the single lender rule issue as per the OP in this thread (The single Direct Loan is not FFELP, so does not give you diversity for purposes of the single lender rule.. I think this is actually the reason UHEAA can't consolidate you). As long as you lock in the rate before July 1, you will be good to go. At that point you can try to reconsolidate with Direct and/or UHEAA.
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sloth911
- Cranky Member
posted: Jun. 27, 2005 @ 4:01p
Rathipon:
First I wanted to thank you for your post and all the help you are providing the forum.
1. As posted above I have $44k in a cosolidated sub/unsub loan through AES(PHEAA) locked at 4.3%. 2. I applied for a Direct Loan consolidation (to eventually get to UHEAA). 3. I received a letter saying I did not qualify for the consolidation with them. 4. One month later (today) I received a letter indicating that my loan would consolidated within 10 days! I called today to verify that everything was A ok - and it was! 5. In about a month or so - I should be able to start the process with UHEAA.
Some notes: 1. My current AES(PHEAA) loans have been in deferment for 6 months after 3 years of payments. 2. I did not have to start a letter writing campaign. 3. I was going to use a UHEAA promisory note to pay for one of my $900 grad classes so I could use that loan as a way around the single lender rule to re-consolidate. 4. The July 1st deadline is a non-issue to people reconsolidating fixed loans.
Do lenders automatically STOP chargin interest when you hit the 10% cap noted above? Or do you have to advocate for it?
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 27, 2005 @ 11:19p
Congrats Reckner on getting around the single lender rule.
When you refer to a 10% cap, are you talking about interest that accruses with the income contingent repayment plan? If thats what your referring to, its only for Direct Loans. I doubt that any of the FFELP lenders such as UHEAA would have such terms.
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sloth911
- Cranky Member
posted: Jun. 28, 2005 @ 10:43a
Rathipon said:When you refer to a 10% cap, are you talking about interest that accruses with the income contingent repayment plan? Yes, that is what I was referring to. I read more about it here: http://www.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/DirectLoan/RepayCalc/dlindex2.html in the link from above, and I was unaware what ICR meant. I don't qualify for that.
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sloth911
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 18, 2005 @ 6:15p
Rathipon - Thanks for all your help this thread is great and I really appreciate it. I have consolidate my loans with Direct Loans (william d. ford) and now I am ready to consolidate with UHEAA.
I called UHEAA and the phone rep said "sorry" and cited the Single Lender Rule. I asked if she was sure that it applied to Federal Direct Loans and she said "yes".
So I went to thread and called again preparing to cite:
"34 CFR 685.220 - Paragraph (b) - contains a list of loans that are eligible for consolidation under the Direct Loan Program. Note subparagraph 15 includes "Federal Consolidation Loans." Thus, student loans that have already been consolidated are not necessarily ruled out when pursuing a Direct Loan Consolidation."
I explained to the CSR that I understood the SLR but was under the impression that Federal Direct Loans were exceptions and could be reconsolidated again. The CSR (thank god) understood what I was saying and put me on hold to "check it out". Eventualy she took my name/number/SS and told me she needed to talk to someone else and call me back tomorrow with clarification on the issue.
I tried to be as easy going and non-confrontational as possible.
Is there a step I am missing? Or is the CSR just unaware of Federal Direct Loans?
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jul. 19, 2005 @ 7:18a
I think you just had bad luck with your UHEAA CSR. I would call back. You should not have any problems whatsoever moving your loans from Direct to UHEAA.
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ddee06
- Thrifty Member
posted: Jul. 19, 2005 @ 2:23p
I would like to thank the OP for posting this "work around" for the Single Lender Rule. I too was held hostage with Sallie Mae for all of my loans. I was able to get in before the deadline with Direct Loans and my loan has been processed and noticed that all of my loans with SM have been paid off. Now waiting for final paper work with Direct Loans. Hopefully I won't have the problems the person had trying to go to UHEAA from Direct Loans. |
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jul. 19, 2005 @ 6:04p
Glad to hear it ddee06.
By the way, the deadline your referring to applied only to loans that had not yet been consolidated. Loans consolidated loan can be moved from the current lender to direct loans without any impact on the interest rate. They can then be moved to UHEAA so that borrower benefits can lower the rate by up to 2.25%.
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scripta
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 20, 2005 @ 11:32a
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Rathipon
- Greedy Member
posted: Jul. 20, 2005 @ 5:25p
It looks like among other things, they're talking about getting rid of the single lender rule. To that extent, I am pleased.
Another new point from the proposal: Students who had received all their loans through one lender would be allowed to shop around when they decide to consolidate. As it is now, only students who borrow from more than one lender -- or took all their loans from the Department of Education direct loan program -- have that privilege.
It would be interesting to see if this change is retroactive. I am guessing it won't be. Also, it probably will not apply to loans that are already consolidated. The great thing about the method outlined in the original post is that anyone who has student loans, either consolidated or not consolidated, even those consolidated many years ago, can take advantage of it. To that extent, it is retroactive in nature. I cannot really say how these proposed changes would impact the feasibility of the method, however. |
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ChiefT
- New Member
posted: Aug. 21, 2005 @ 7:31a
Rath,
A quick update on my situation (see above late June posts): I had all Sallie Mae loans. I consolidated before 6/30 with Sallie Mae. I attempted to reconsolidate with Direct Loans about a month ago.
For the past month, my loans have been in Direct Loans' 'pre-application' status, so I assume that they're still gathering information and/or talking with Sallie Mae?
Did anyone else have a lengthy 'pre-application' purgatory wait? Any ideas on what to do to facilitate the situation (I'll call them next week).
Thanks!
ChiefT |
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