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BigBucksNoWhammy
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posted: May. 19, 2005 @ 4:54p
Ipoh said:vpr said:I would like to know what everyone does with so much Credit.
Borrow money at low APR and invest in a CD, rollover ?
Yes, i borrowed 22K at 0% from MNNA and moved it over to ING. Free interest. I have held a MBNA MasterCard since 1997 and despite the fact that I rarely if ever use the card, my CL has increased periodically to its present 25k limit. I have been with Discover since 1994 and that account is currently $14.5k despite that I rarely if ever go above $2k expenses in any given month, which I then promptly pay off in full. I have no explanation for why either of these a banks would continually up my limit without asking me if I want/need it. Are they trying to get me to use it? Usually the letter accompanying the checks and announcing the credit increase is also encouraging me spend it on something I don't need or want, whether a vacation or a new deck etc. I understand that they are banking (pun) on the fact that many will take the offer and even after the promotional APR period not be able to pay off the balance and thus have to pay interest. . . )
As I began to read this thread I was wondering to myself why on earth are these people so concerned with jacking their credit lines up so high, especially if they don't use but a fraction of this limit? For most people - albeit not most fatwallet denizens - wouldn't this be an unwise temptation to spend beyonds present means and thus fall into the debt trap?
I have several cards myself mostly accumulated from applying for 0% balance transfer offers back when I found it advantageous (read necessary) to shift a balance from card to card as the 0% ran out and I was still paying down the balance. I still do this as I keep the funds that cover the borrowed balance in HYS/MMAs for the duration of the 0% and earn the interest in the meantime.
I am still not entirely clear the reason why some of you seek such high CLs. I understand borrowing the amount for the interest earned from parking it in savings , as was mentioned, (if it's worth the hassle). But I'm wondering if there are any other reasons for wanting the CLI?
It seems that current balance to CL ratios have an effect on credit score? Is this correct? But if that is true, and some of you are maxing out your card to earn interest on the money while the 0% APR lasts, isn't having such a high balance to CL ratio actually hurting your credit score?
Now all that aside, - how do you get the card issuer to offer you the 0% interest for x time? In my experience these offers generally come when you first open an account, but only rarely after that though MBNA seems to send checks with a 2.99% offer all the time (which go in the shredder). Several of my CC banks entice with 0% APR for x number of months but there is always that little fee catch that makes the offer less attractive, although there is usually a max. I suppose I could sit down and do the math, but to me personally the interest income from the practice borrowing on promotional APRs to get the interest for the duration is hardly worth the hassle for smaller amounts, but if I could get $25,000 from MBNA at 0% APR for a year, I'm looking at a easy $750 at a conservative 3%. That would be worthwhile even if I had to pay an upfront one-time cost of 3% (up to $50) for the BT/CA fee. I'd still net $700. Any other factors to consider? |
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Razorshock
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posted: May. 19, 2005 @ 6:00p
I would like to know what everyone does with so much Credit.
I am still not entirely clear the reason why some of you seek such high CLs. I understand borrowing the amount for the interest earned from parking it in savings , as was mentioned, (if it's worth the hassle). But I'm wondering if there are any other reasons for wanting the CLI?
Now all that aside, - how do you get the card issuer to offer you the 0% interest for x time? In my experience these offers generally come when you first open an account, but only rarely after that though MBNA seems to send checks with a 2.99% offer all the time (which go in the shredder). Several of my CC banks entice with 0% APR for x number of months but there is always that little fee catch that makes the offer less attractive, although there is usually a max. I suppose I could sit down and do the math, but to me personally the interest income from the practice borrowing on promotional APRs to get the interest for the duration is hardly worth the hassle for smaller amounts, but if I could get $25,000 from MBNA at 0% APR for a year, I'm looking at a easy $750 at a conservative 3%. That would be worthwhile even if I had to pay an upfront one-time cost of 3% (up to $50) for the BT/CA fee. I'd still net $700. Any other factors to consider?
Yes, many here including myself are playing that game. What others consider a hassle, I consider an extra $2K a year in basically free interest. There are many good threads here to look at if you're insterested in doing this, but balancing your CLs and Utilization, as well as finding cards with low or no BT fee to maximize how much 0% 'money' you can access is part of the challege, and the rewards financially can be a nice bonus. Folks looking for simple ways to get CLI's to increase their FICO are only looking to make this battle a bit easier and more lucrative. This year the equivalent of an entire weeks income for me will come from o% BT interest. |
Message edited by: Razorshock on 2005-05-19 18:03:35
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manuel
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posted: May. 19, 2005 @ 6:02p
I agree completely with Razorshock - I probably made something like 4K(half taxable, half nontaxable) last year from 0% related floats. It don't pay like a dayjob but it takes a lot less time.
And the challenge of maxxing out other people's money is kinda fun. |
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manuel
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posted: May. 19, 2005 @ 6:37p
Enjoy, but be careful and make all payments. Other people get real riled if you don't follow their rules with their money.
The fees are a pain but there are typically lots of no-fee options as well. Right now I've got:
37k mbna - paid $75 till 12/05 30k chase - no fee till 06/06 14k bofa - no fee till 10/05
To get back on OT - CL increases have been the key to making this work, along with moving CLs around. There's a great thread on moving CLs. |
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par38lamp
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posted: May. 23, 2005 @ 4:12p
My credit limit increased without any input from me.
Had card 5 years BankONE Visa - Southwest Rapid Rewards Visa Signature Charge $1000~1400 a month Pay in full every month. Never paid late.
They were under-reporting my credit limit and it did affect my FICO like the original poster (DLR3) said.
Please see my post on the subject. |
Message edited by: par38lamp on 2005-05-23 16:13:02
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CyByte
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posted: May. 25, 2005 @ 4:32p
Chase Platnium Credit card 200.00 limit.
I just called by phone to request a balance increase to 1000.00 and the lady informed me there would be a credit check and asked if that would be ok. I agreed and gave her my info. It will most likely be declined but I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best. |
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dcwilbur
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posted: May. 25, 2005 @ 4:41p
CyByte said:Chase Platnium Credit card 200.00 limit.
I just called by phone to request a balance increase to 1000.00 and the lady informed me there would be a credit check and asked if that would be ok. I agreed and gave her my info. It will most likely be declined but I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.Just a note that most of the lucrative balance transfer strategies don't even begin to be profitable until you add a couple of zeros to your numbers. Unless you are able to get credit limits in the neighborhood of $10,000 or more, I wouldn't bother. |
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BigBucksNoWhammy
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posted: May. 30, 2005 @ 8:05p
When I requested a CL increase from Chase they asked why. I told them honestly because I wanted to keep my credit utilization less than 50% on the card. It worked! They increased me from 10,500 (I had a 7K and change balance on their 0% BT offer) to 15k.
I made the request half in jest and I was wondering how they would respond. Maybe just being honest works too. |
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nphinit
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posted: Jun. 8, 2005 @ 8:40p
I just got approved for a Citi Dividend Platinum, but with a BT-useless CL of $2.3k.
I was unaware you are supposed to wait 6 months for a CLI, so I'm going to call them up and see if they'll budge.
Which of these explanations will likely work better with the CSR/whomever? (They are both true!)
1.) I need my CL increased to ~$15k to pay for tuition with my card
2.) I need my CL increased to ~$15k to do a few large BTs
I'm guessing 1.) but I thought I'd ask anyway. If they say no should I threaten to cancel the card? My backup option is a Chase Platinum I just applied for.
My income is in the $55k-$65k range so in theory I should be able to get that sort of credit, right? |
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DFWDAL
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posted: Jun. 8, 2005 @ 9:19p
nphinit said:I just got approved for a Citi Dividend Platinum, but with a BT-useless CL of $2.3k.
If you have other cards with Citi, ask them to reallocate some of the credit line. |
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VivYip
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posted: Jun. 8, 2005 @ 9:29p
slightly off topic, but might be useful for those who used to be fleet credit card customers (esp secured credit card)
I got the fleet no fee secured credit card around last august. Almost right afterward, the cards became BoA...then sometime earlier this year, the secured card became unsecured and they refunded my initial deposit and told me the card will forever have only $200 for a credit limit.
Anyway, I was hoping to raise the CLI on my other BoA card (since september) and my first click took me from my original 5.5k to 10.5k
I was bored so I later clicked on the button for the formerly secured card...it went from $200 (now unsecured) to 2.7k...it's not much, but it was weird. I'm hoping I might be able to change that card to maybe something with lower rate or to efectiva rewards card (the spanish version of what I have)
hope this might help someone who had a fleet secured credit card account |
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Storme
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posted: Jun. 9, 2005 @ 1:07a
nphinit said:I just got approved for a Citi Dividend Platinum, but with a BT-useless CL of $2.3k.
I was unaware you are supposed to wait 6 months for a CLI, so I'm going to call them up and see if they'll budge.
Which of these explanations will likely work better with the CSR/whomever? (They are both true!)
1.) I need my CL increased to ~$15k to pay for tuition with my card
2.) I need my CL increased to ~$15k to do a few large BTs
I'm guessing 1.) but I thought I'd ask anyway. If they say no should I threaten to cancel the card? My backup option is a Chase Platinum I just applied for.
My income is in the $55k-$65k range so in theory I should be able to get that sort of credit, right?
lol, no in theory your CL should be 5500-6500.
As soon as you tell the CSR your income, Citi will automatically decline you for that CL based on that income w/o doing any inquiries.
Call and find out. |
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tbyte
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posted: Jun. 9, 2005 @ 1:34a
I just got my citicard bumped up to 7.8K. I forget what I told them my income was when I opened it, but it was under 20K. |
Message edited by: tbyte on 2005-06-09 01:40:40
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Peter740
- Greedy Member
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posted: Jun. 9, 2005 @ 6:44a
jsantab428 said:FYI, I've recently been denied CLI on two accounts (Chase, Bank One). In both cases the reasons were that my debt to income ratio was too high and that I had too many inquiries. This is because over the last year I've gotten interested in 0% cards and I've taken on a number of new CCs and utilized a high percentage of the lines.
Well, after being denied in these cases, I sent a packet of information containing my w-2 (HH income $235k), bank statements, and investment accounts to each cc company. This information was not solicited, and at no time did a CSR tell me that my request would be reconsidered if I provided additional information.
In both cases, credit line increases were approved soon after to the requested levels ($20k for Chase, $10k Bank One).
My credit scores are currently 660/645/647 - so not that great. But based on this experience, I don't know that I'm going to be sweating my credit scores. My hypothesis: As long as you have income and assets, and can verify that you do, cc companies will give you the CLI increases that you want.
My next strategy is to apply for a new card, potentially get rejected, and then if I do, ask for reconsideration based on my income verification. It should be interesting to find out what happens.
If you are making that much money then why are you credit scores so bad? |
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sinik
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posted: Jun. 9, 2005 @ 6:48a
Peter740 said:If you are making that much money then why are you credit scores so bad?What do you mean? Your credit score doesn't factor in your income. |
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PiHKAL
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posted: Jun. 14, 2005 @ 1:38p
If you are making that much money then why are you credit scores so bad?
It's pretty easy. Our HH income is ~240k, but while my wife was in law school (prior to meeting me) she lived off her credit cards and ran-up huge debts. When I met her I had her file bankruptcy as her credit score was already terrible. A couple years later and her score is around 650, which is much better than it was -- but still not good. |
Message edited by: PiHKAL on 2005-06-14 13:38:45
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Thrilla
- Happy Member
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posted: Jun. 14, 2005 @ 2:05p
Does anyone have any experience with a CLI for their PenFed Platinum Cash Rewards credit card? I currently have a 5k limit and am interested in getting this as high as possible. I know they can be a bit conservative in their CC limits, so I am not expecting any miracles. Thanks! |
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