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MidnightSwinga said:We then signed a second seperate ammendment ... Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement?

Sounds like a straightforward legal question. What does your attorney say?


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unknownshopper said:Sounds like a straightforward legal question. What does your attorney say?


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unknownshopper said:MidnightSwinga said:We then signed a second seperate ammendment ... Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement?

Sounds like a straightforward legal question. What does your attorney say?


That'll be my question to him on Monday. I don't have a problem cutting the check, but from my limited research it looks like your not suppossed to do that in my State.


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So if no one was holding a gun to your head, wouldn't that mean YOU broke the law?


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MidnightSwinga said:unknownshopper said:MidnightSwinga said:We then signed a second seperate ammendment ... Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement?

Sounds like a straightforward legal question. What does your attorney say?


That'll be my question to him on Monday. I don't have a problem cutting the check, but from my limited research it looks like your not suppossed to do that in my State.
I call BS - You accepted a purchase agreement with $100, you agreed to dual agency, you are making every mistake in the book. You DONT have an atty (or one so incompetent, they should be shot). In reality, you are using this forum for free legal advice. Guess what, you are getting exactly what you are paying for. Its so funny everytime someone posts a legal question, its "oh its the weekend and I need an answer now, cant ask the atty". Just be honest and admit you are doing this yourself.


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MidnightSwinga said:
Apparently the issue was the buyer needed the little savings he does have for something after he closses and the bank is requiring that he keep has his savings.

Any issues to this? It seems like they are going to try and get this past the finance company by not including that second ammendement. Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement? I could just say we agreed to an increased price. I think the Relator is going to be on the hook for the money to the buyer.


Seller credits are extremely common. If your imaginary atty or your shady dual agent has a brain, they would take the time to explain this to you.

You are very sadly mistaken if you think the realtor is going to be on the hook for the $3k which you agreed to and signed.


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didYOUsearch said:MidnightSwinga said:unknownshopper said:MidnightSwinga said:We then signed a second seperate ammendment ... Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement?

Sounds like a straightforward legal question. What does your attorney say?


That'll be my question to him on Monday. I don't have a problem cutting the check, but from my limited research it looks like your not suppossed to do that in my State.
I call BS -


Trust me, I've been around here long enough to know that this is not the place to get legal advice. I was at first looking for similar experiences and thought I'd share the latest developments. If in fact this deal goes through (and I have no more faith then you do that it will) obviously the buyers have zero funds to their name so if in fact we didn't cut them the check after close for the difference they'd have a tough time collecting.


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MidnightSwinga--

Just wondering what market you're in. Condos are pretty much on fire everywhere. Curious about what region/city is in a depressed condo market right now.


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You'd be lucky to get $100. In my state, statutory forfeiture is 5% of earnest money.


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unknownshopper said:BudmanTom said:When I bought my first house I only gave the Realtor $100 as earnest money, the market was substantially different then....


Tom


But back then $100 was SERIOUS money ... photos of Budman Tom's Cabin obtained via the Freedom of Information Act ;)

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Lol, how did you know?

Tom


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MidnightSwinga said:Well it's gotten a little more interesting...app
apparently the relator is saying the buyers are back on board and are proceeding with the purchase. However, he came back with a revised amendement to the purchase agreement that actually RAISES the purchase price by $3,000. We then signed a second seperate ammendment that states we will then turn around and cut the buyers a check after close for $3,000.

Apparently the issue was the buyer needed the little savings he does have for something after he closses and the bank is requiring that he keep has his savings.

Any issues to this? It seems like they are going to try and get this past the finance company by not including that second ammendement. Do you think I'm bound to that second ammendement? I could just say we agreed to an increased price. I think the Relator is going to be on the hook for the money to the buyer.



Your Realtor is not on the hook, you are. Your escrow company should write him the check so it shouldn't be a big deal. Sounds like your Realtor is doing his job and trying to make this deal work.


Tom


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unknownshopper said:FWIW, 20 years ago earnest money often was in the neighborhood 1-2% of the asking price. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower. 5% was not unheard of.

House we're looking to build, seller/builder wants 5%.


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BudmanTom said:Lol, how did you know?

Tom


I was having lunch with your parole officer last week and he happened to mention it.


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For those in the business, would u accept less earnest money, such as 1% or 0.5% if the buyer's have what appears to be a better than average background (high paying/respected occupation, pre-approved loan, nuclear family, etc.) or should this be a decision done without emotion? 2-3% is the norm around here. Advice would be appreciated


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whodini said:I once made an offer for a house without putting any earnest money down. I told the realtor I would pay up after the offer had been accepted (not written in offer contract). The seller rejected my offer due to price, and I did not counter. Supposing the seller had accepted my offer, there was no earnest money for him to collect had I walked away.

This realtor was the listing agent, by the way.


The contract would not have been binding until you paid up. I.e. when he came back with a signed offer you would have xx hours to cough it up or the contract would be void.


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I currently sell new construction homes for 4 different builders in my area. They all require earnest money checks be written to the SELLER, not to escrow. The amount of escrow varies from $5000 to 10% depending on the builder.

In addition, the 3 properties of my own that I have sold in 2005, I have gotten earnest money checks written to me, not to the title/escrow company. That money is in my account within hours. Easy to keep if the buyer backs out, very difficult for the buyer to get back.

Things are so different in different areas it's very hard to compare.

Lastly, I would never act as a dual agent and I would never want to be represented by a dual agent. Very bad idea.


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I currently sell new construction homes for 4 different builders in my area. They all require earnest money checks be written to the SELLER, not to escrow. The amount of escrow varies from $5000 to 10% depending on the builder.

You'd have to be high to write a check to the seller instead of escrow. Sounds like a builder that's on the verge of bankruptcy. When they shut down the development they keep a couple million in earnest money.


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Seller's credits to buyers are common. Hiding them from the P&S is probably not! Since you just "raised the price" by $3k, your realtor will probably also take their 5-6% extra out of that also


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johnmagee4 said:Seller's credits to buyers are common. Hiding them from the P&S is probably not! Since you just "raised the price" by $3k, your realtor will probably also take their 5-6% extra out of that alsobingo. realtor just made another $150 by rewording the P&S.


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borntoclone said:For those in the business, would u accept less earnest money, such as 1% or 0.5% if the buyer's have what appears to be a better than average background (high paying/respected occupation, pre-approved loan, nuclear family, etc.) or should this be a decision done without emotion? 2-3% is the norm around here. Advice would be appreciatedI'm not "in the business" but I would like to chime in.

For private sellers, 1% should be enough, but 2% is better. All of my serious offers to sellers for property that I think will get a lot of offers is 2%. In addition, I provide full financial background information and of course the loan pre-approval. The largest earnest money I offered to a private buyer was 10K on a 320K house, which is what, a little over 3%? There were also no contingencies in the offer other than home inspection. This offer beat out other offers of up to 20K over the seller's price.

As a seller, I would not look seriously at an offer that gave less than 1% of earnest money. This is a local and personal thing, but I do not like to waste my time, or my realtor's time. Buyers need to make up their mind before they make the offer and be serious about their offer. The time between contract and closing is not for "thinking things over". The buyers should have thought about it before submitting the offer and come to the conclusion that they can and will go through with closing on the home at the offer price.

When it comes to builders, there isn't much room for negotiations. They run a business and have their business rules. Most builders I've come in contact with has required 5% at signing. Most recent one wants 10K at signing but the full 5% within a couple of weeks. There are some condos, however, that require 10%, and I can certainly understand their fear of buyers walking if the market takes a dive before the building is completed in 2007.


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