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bestcreation
- Thrifty Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 11:29a
I am not disputing gold as a store of value. Gold is by far the best store of value you can have. Nonetheless, Kiyosaki is not talking about buying gold just in case of nuclear fallout or another Holocaust. He's talking about Gold as an investment, or more specificly a counter-cyclical investment. He [Kiyosaki] confesses that he's currently dumping real estate that produces no cash flow (from rental income) and going "long on gold and oil."
Oil is not exactly a good store of value, is it? Yet oil is mentioned together with gold because Kiyosaki thinks gold and oil will rise in value. I am neutral to that statement. My only problem with his analysis is that he recommends buying gold coins to 'long on gold'. That's just wrong.
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zeego
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 11:37a
Gold, oil and commodities in general are usually acquired when one thinks that inflation will be with us for a while. K talks about inflation as a problem but the article also attributes to him the fear of a coming financial crisis. This is the type of chaos where gold in particular has shown upside value. |
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eleison
- Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 12:06p
TheProfessor2423 said:Mark Twain once said..
Buy land, they stopped making it.
Mark Twain was a failure as a business man -- he declare bankruptcy a few times... "Those who can, do. Those who can't teach"; seems like he was "teaching" 
-Eleison |
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Mat
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 12:29p
There are a lot of talker here but who is taking action? I have made over 200k in 6 months with very little money down and virtually no risk. I intend to ride this wave all the way if it crashes I will get on the next one. |
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nmathew
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 4:32p
Mat said: I have made over 200k in 6 months with very little money down and virtually no risk.
Does not compute. |
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thetrump
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 4:41p
Mat said:There are a lot of talker here but who is taking action? I have made over 200k in 6 months with very little money down and virtually no risk. I intend to ride this wave all the way if it crashes I will get on the next one. Care to elaborate? |
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slimcustomer
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 5:12p
zeego said:didYOUsearch said:bestcreation said: Why buy gold coins and paying (higher)transaction costs and worrying about where to keep your coins when all you want is exposure to gold?. BC many people want more than just exposure to gold....
some keep gold in case of disaster. physical possession of coins is a benefit to them. A stock on a computer screen isnt tangible, and wont do you squat if you need to barter with it.
Many Jews escaped with their families from Nazi Germany by bribing and bartering with gold coins. Some conservative investors keep gold coins hidden and available in the event of civil unrest and chaos. No one is sounding an alarm, but remember, Sarajevo and Kosovo were once civilized cities. Things happen quickly and unexpectantly. Gold coins make sense for unforeseen circumstances.
If things get that bad, I'd like my gold in the form of bullets, not coins. |
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comixguru
- Thrifty Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 5:38p
thetrump said:Mat said:There are a lot of talker here but who is taking action? I have made over 200k in 6 months with very little money down and virtually no risk. I intend to ride this wave all the way if it crashes I will get on the next one. Care to elaborate?
I suspect he jumped on a property 6 months ago and it's now worth 200K more than when he bought it. It could be less broker's fees, less taxes, less AMT gouging. Still, it's a nice chunk of change. No debating that.
Personally, I'm not in this crazy market. I missed my chance.
-comix |
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viteazu
- New Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 8:11p
didYOUsearch said:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/24/REGKEDRPF11.DTL&hw=rich+dad&sn=001&sc=1000
please! a year ago when i moved to phoenix he was shouting that the phx real estate was way overpriced and he was getting out. unfortunately i waited for a while before buying so i lost good money there. i am pretty sure his big bucks come from books not from great deals he made. he will be ok. |
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viteazu
- New Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 8:27p
i think this belongs in: real estate bubble (if and when). kis. |
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sloth911
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 9:17p
Does this mean my REIT fund will slowly crash and burn? |
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orphanis
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 26, 2005 @ 9:51p
slimcustomer said:
If things get that bad, I'd like my gold in the form of bullets, not coins. silver bullets, silver! |
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iLoveTahoe
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 1:39a
comixguru said:thetrump said:Mat said:There are a lot of talker here but who is taking action? I have made over 200k in 6 months with very little money down and virtually no risk. I intend to ride this wave all the way if it crashes I will get on the next one. Care to elaborate?
I suspect he jumped on a property 6 months ago and it's now worth 200K more than when he bought it. It could be less broker's fees, less taxes, less AMT gouging. Still, it's a nice chunk of change. No debating that.That's what I suspect too. However, if that's the case then his claim of 'virtually no risk' is preposterous.
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Nagorak
- Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 4:28a
didYOUsearch said:bestcreation said: Why buy gold coins and paying (higher)transaction costs and worrying about where to keep your coins when all you want is exposure to gold?. BC many people want more than just exposure to gold....
some keep gold in case of disaster. physical possession of coins is a benefit to them. A stock on a computer screen isnt tangible, and wont do you squat if you need to barter with it.
Honestly, if things go that badly that we start busting out gold coins for payment, then you'd be better off investing in a few shotguns or maybe assault rifles. We're basically talking about a complete collapse of the United States including our currency becoming absolutely worthless. If that's what you are worried about, a farm in the middle of nowhere where you can grow your own food is probably the best bet. |
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Nagorak
- Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 4:30a
eleison said:TheProfessor2423 said:Mark Twain once said..
Buy land, they stopped making it.
Mark Twain was a failure as a business man -- he declare bankruptcy a few times... "Those who can, do. Those who can't teach"; seems like he was "teaching" 
-Eleison
I'd take whatever he said with a grain of salt. He was a writer, not an economist. |
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didYOUsearch
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 8:07a
Nagorak said: some keep gold in case of disaster. physical possession of coins is a benefit to them. A stock on a computer screen isnt tangible, and wont do you squat if you need to barter with it.
Honestly, if things go that badly that we start busting out gold coins for payment, then you'd be better off investing in a few shotguns or maybe assault rifles. We're basically talking about a complete collapse of the United States including our currency becoming absolutely worthless. If that's what you are worried about, a farm in the middle of nowhere where you can grow your own food is probably the best bet.
Moving to a farm or buying ammo is investing in a completely different asset than simply choosing to hold gold phyiscally vs. "on paper" for its benefits. Each has its benefits and downsides. |
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didYOUsearch
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 8:09a
viteazu said:didYOUsearch said:http://www.sfgate.com/ETC
please! a year ago when i moved to phoenix he was shouting that the phx real estate was way overpriced and he was getting out. unfortunately i waited for a while before buying so i lost good money there. i am pretty sure his big bucks come from books not from great deals he made. he will be ok.
Are you saying he was wrong, simply bc he gave advance warning of the impending downturn? Seems like timely advice to me. LAS and PHX have experienced declines recently. |
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viteazu
- New Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 11:23a
no, i can't possibly be that disrespectful with mr youridol kyiosaki. What am saying is that when he was shouting fire last year the price per sqft in the phx area I was looking to buy was about 110-120/sqft. Now it is 180/sqft (selling price) and new listings ask 200/sqft. That’s all.
jim cramer, Robert kyiosaki et comp. Why in the world don’t really successful ones like buffett go out giving specific advice. The secret is being secretive (sic.) Oh, soros wrote several books but all were basically some theoretical mumbo-jumbo that could put you to sleep. This was his target I guess: to put investors to sleep with his books so that he could go out and make money while everybody was sleeping.
>>>>>viteazu said:
didYOUsearch said:
http://www.sfgate.com/ETC
please! a year ago when i moved to phoenix he was shouting that the phx real estate was way overpriced and he was getting out. unfortunately i waited for a while before buying so i lost good money there. i am pretty sure his big bucks come from books not from great deals he made. he will be ok. Are you saying he was wrong, simply bc he gave advance warning of the impending downturn? Seems like timely advice to me. LAS and PHX have experienced declines recently. >>>>>>>
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didYOUsearch
- Cranky Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 12:03p
for the record, i generally think all the infomercial "gurus" are lacking in knowledge and peddling to some of the worst candidates for investing...
I know they make their money from the infomercials, not the underlying investment, and I dont follow kiyosaki and certainly dont idolize him.
I posted this thread to show just how crazy the RE market has become-when even one of RE's biggest cheerleaders is now saying "whoa" when he sees some of the stuff going on.
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Derffie
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jul. 27, 2005 @ 1:28p
you might want to hold gold coins to keep assets from appearing in a financial audit... way off the books |
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