"When a customer signs up for Keep the Change, the amount of every purchase they make with a Bank of America debit card is automatically rounded up to the nearest whole dollar and transferred from the customer's checking account into their savings account at the end of the day."
first 3 months, 100% match afterwards 5%
max $250/year
does this mean $1.01 rounds up to $2? or $1.51 rounds up to $2?
if the former/latter is true, that means you require a minimum of 250-500 transactions in 3 months to fully take advantage of 100%, although 5% ain't bad
(i'm assuming they pay for this program by charging merchants 5-25c per transaction +2.25%)
wonder if the first 3 months is of the program, or per person based on their signup?
lot's of $1.01 charges to Verizon/Cingular/etc. coming up I bet!
XFreebie
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 12:09p
under the 5% rule, you would need a minimum of 5000 transactions/year to reach $250
also, although some of you would be tempted to purchase your gasoline in $1 increments, i'm sure it would lock up the card after the 2nd or 3rd times by their automated fraud detection, or are debit cards different?
plus, 500 gallons of gasoline in 3 months? no way
or 500 double-cheeseburgers, the world's first ever thousand-cheeseburger. a killo-burger
For example, when purchasing a coffee with a debit card, the difference between the $2.85 cost and $3.00 - or 15 cents - would be transferred electronically. In addition, Bank of America will match 100 percent of the Keep the Change transfers for the first three months. After that the bank will contribute five percent a year. The maximum match is $250 annually.
"Our customers told us they want a simple way to save, so we
Interesting card. As OP Said they seem to withdraw MORE than the purchase from your checking, and move the extra change into your savings account. For 90 days they match this 100% making this a HOT DEAL and deposit double your 'change.' but then they only match 5% making it WARM upto $250/year. I see alot of people pumping $1.01 in gas in the future :->
sky7
Tired Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 12:21p
Interesting concept. Makes it really useful for the teeny-weeny purchases in the short term. I dont' think I am going to go out of my way to take advantage of this.
XFreebie said: under the 5% rule, you would need a minimum of 5000 transactions/year to reach $250
also, although some of you would be tempted to purchase your gasoline in $1 increments, i'm sure it would lock up the card after the 2nd or 3rd times by their automated fraud detection, or are debit cards different?
plus, 500 gallons of gasoline in 3 months? no wayWhere are you buying gas for a buck a gallon?
XFreebie
Senior Member - 2K
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 1:32p
whoops, meant $500 worth of gas, and theoretically not more than 50% off so $1.50/gallon
e1superman
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 1:44p
If you make more on your credit card Cash Back then just stick to that. For smaller purchases the first three months of the promo (100% period) it makes sense.
The break even point on average (assuming the average charge ends in 50 cents) is then $50 on a 1% Cash Back CC or $10 on a 5% everyday purchase (many CC's out there). If you charge less then these within the three month promo use your Debit else the CC. After three months it makes way more sense to use the CC.
NOTE: Since you are going to be getting 5% on gas purchases even if you would get the max 99cent return from this BofA offer you still get more via the Cash Back CC's (assume $40 gas then you get $2 Cash Back from you CC).
During the 100% three month window only:
On a 25 cent ending charge the break even on 1% is $75 and on 5% everyday purchase is $15 On a 75 cent ending charge the break even on 1% is $25 and on 5% everyday purchase is $5
That's a brilliant Win-Win idea from BoA. The customer and the bank both win. The retailer, is the big loser. Especially the gas stations that provide no fee ATM transactions.
Does anyone know any common sites that hae no minimum purchase required for gift cards? Ex. Amazon is $5, WalMart is $10... For some reason this thread makes me want to buy 51 cent GCs
I saw the following: Earn a promotional match up to $250 per anniversary period for each checking account with the Keep the Change savings service. You will not receive the matching funds for: a) credits or other adjustments related to POS purchases, such as those for purchases that are cancelled or returned; b) purchases of cash-like items, such as money orders, traveler’s checks, foreign currency, cashier’s checks, gaming chips, and other similar instruments and things of value; c) Account funding transactions including transfers to open or fund deposit, escrow, or brokerage accounts and purchases of stored value cards.We may terminate the matching promotion at any time without notice.
They won't know what you bought... they can jsut know where you bought it. Just like the credit cards with discounts on groceries where you can buy stamps or GCs at the grocery store and still get the 5% Cash Back.
Very(the most?) creative banking promo BOFA really tries to make you use your debit card!
If you just want to max it out however, there are few cons: - you don't want to make many small purchases from the same place(I guess max that would fly under the radar would be 3-5 small purchases a month from the same place) - you have to varry the purchase amounts, so you can't just make a bunch of $1.01 purchases - you have to make some larger purchases too, otherwise your bank statement would look very suspicious - you have to go to the branch to sign up - you cat the match at the end of the year To make it even easier to save. Our reward will be paid annually to your savings account.
johto said: wonder if the first 3 months is of the program, or per person based on their signup?
lot's of $1.01 charges to Verizon/Cingular/etc. coming up I bet!
must be a debit transaction. i.e. requiring you to enter your pin. will only work in actual stores, not online. your debit can be processed as a credit card as well but will ultimately end up to be the same thing. (signing for it, or entering your pin).
bhupeshm
Thrifty Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 3:39p
So the theory is that by slooooowly taking money out of checking and into savings BOA helps people save.
1) People are going to go ga-ga using this and THEN realizing that they are paying out cash faster than they need to (grace period on credit cards)
2) Draw down on BOA checking a bit quicker, not because of the rounding but just using it on more transactions.. maybe more people go below their monthly minimum requirements?
... I'm trying to find BOA's angle on this.
... Also, do the merchants pay a larger transaction fee on this? (because purchase price is higher?)
Waiting for BOA to help Americans off drugs too!
BuyBuyBuySellSellSell
Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 3:53p
BOA charges a fee for more than 6 transactions on savings accounts. It sounds like this is a daily transfer.
Surely they don't charge you for every deposit...??
dumadum
Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 4:01p
Can we buy 10 gum packs , using separate transcations on the automated checkout station in grocery stores. Each pack of gum is 20 cents. Does that mean BofA will deposit 8 dollars into my savings account ?
BuyBuyBuySellSellSell said: BOA charges a fee for more than 6 transactions on savings accounts. It sounds like this is a daily transfer.
Surely they don't charge you for every deposit...??
First, it depends on the kind of savings account. Second, it does not count deposit.
Moosy
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 4:06p
bhupeshm said: So the theory is that by slooooowly taking money out of checking and into savings BOA helps people save.
1) People are going to go ga-ga using this and THEN realizing that they are paying out cash faster than they need to (grace period on credit cards)
2) Draw down on BOA checking a bit quicker, not because of the rounding but just using it on more transactions.. maybe more people go below their monthly minimum requirements?
... I'm trying to find BOA's angle on this.
... Also, do the merchants pay a larger transaction fee on this? (because purchase price is higher?)
Waiting for BOA to help Americans off drugs too!
Even if they don't make money out of it. And they will because the savings account give 0.5% of interest, and people will use their card more, they just got a lot of positive PR for nothing much. How many non FWers will bother go to the bank and sign for it?
The rule says "round up" and the example BoA gave has $3.43 -> $0.57 -> $4.00
Is there minimum purchase limit for POS transaction? If not, spending $2.52 by making 252 $0.01 transaction will allow us to make $250. Now that's just hypothetical.
Neidman
Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 5:36p
fotomaniak said: there are few cons: - you don't want to make many small purchases from the same place(I guess max that would fly under the radar would be 3-5 small purchases a month from the same place) - you have to varry the purchase amounts, so you can't just make a bunch of $1.01 purchases - you have to make some larger purchases too, otherwise your bank statement would look very suspicious.
Maybe I missed something in the rules, but why couldn't you make a bunch of small purchases? Who cares if it looks "suspicious".
Are you sure that it has to be a debit transaction (pin) in order to earn the match? From the BoA website, it seems that I only need to use the check card for the purchase to earn the match. So using the check card online would work also.
arun21 said: johto said: wonder if the first 3 months is of the program, or per person based on their signup?
lot's of $1.01 charges to Verizon/Cingular/etc. coming up I bet!
must be a debit transaction. i.e. requiring you to enter your pin. will only work in actual stores, not online. your debit can be processed as a credit card as well but will ultimately end up to be the same thing. (signing for it, or entering your pin).
e1superman
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 7:47p
Is anyone forgetting that Bofa accounts have the lowest shiieeettttttt ball interest rates. I hope you do not plan on keeping real money in there. Also see my post about the break even points and note that you will make more over the course of a year via your Cash Back credit card anyhow.
So now the trick is to find a way to spend X.01, 252 times over all within a 3-month period.
1) My first instinct is to use the PO stamp machines, but I'm not too familiar with the denominations that they accept. 3x37c=1.11 and thus 89 cents back. 280 iterations required. Pros: Easy to do Cons: You end up with 840 37-cent stamps ($310.80 of stamps)(maybe use them in the Mcdonald's Best Buy deal); your card may be frozen after two or three purchases at the same place; may be time consuming.
2) Amother option is to use it at the gas station two or three times before you actually fill up with your 5% card. CC are usually frozen after being used two or three times in one day at a gas pump. Pros: Easy to do Cons: Most people only get gas once per week so this equates to 13 times per 3 months and thus only up to 39 purchases.
3) Someone else may be able to help out with this last idea - using a paypal merchant account to charge your bankcard $1.01 252 times over. This comes to an average of three times per day over 84 days. It seems that paypal fees are about 33cents per transaction. Pros: Very easy to do once it is set up Cons: Paypal fees would reduce your take to 66 cents per transaction (252x.66=$166.32) - not a bad take for a little work.
Maybe a combination of all 3 ideas would work best.
All these ideas require at least $504 (252x$2) to be in your checking account. I suppose after some money was trasferred to your savings account, you could just transfer it back to your checking account.
Please add any good ideas you may have.
Edit: At the post office, the smallest dollar amount you can buy with a cc is $1.
ctrain
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 9:01p
I will sign on for this. At work I have access to the CC machine and I can just charge $1.01 every day. $250 free money for me at least.
DaloSony
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 9:53p
fboyfboy said: The rule says "round up" and the example BoA gave has $3.43 -> $0.57 -> $4.00
Is there minimum purchase limit for POS transaction? If not, spending $2.52 by making 252 $0.01 transaction will allow us to make $250. Now that's just hypothetical.
what can you buy for $0.01??
DaloSony
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 9:57p
btw, there is a $25 bonus from Bank of America for opening up a savings account. just need to locate that link.
I think everyone is reading this wrong. This is how it works according to the BofA site. If you charge something for $1.01, they will charge your accunt $2.00 and just transfer the difference to your SAVINGS account. They are not giving you anything. They are just helping round up stuff to help you save money. Thus it is the small amounts that will add up.
So the 1st 3 months they match the difference 100% and after that only 5%
Cool concept, but would be easier to just transfer $25 a month out of your checking to Savings and get about the same thing.
xpguy
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 10:31p
go back and read it again slickdoobie, from what I understand...
Say you have $100 in checking $0 in savings You go and buy a piece of candy for $1.01
They will move $0.99 from your checking to savings They will match that 100% in the 1st 3 months (give you $0.99)
Now your account looks like: checking $98.00 savings $2.99 (your $2 plus their 100% match of $0.99)
did I read this wrong?
Slickdoobi
Addicted Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 10:35p
no you are right, but your numbers are wrong. But I am sure they have a month limit of the 100% match, so not going to be true free deal, just pretty much a bonus that you can get anyways for opening up a checking account. Nothing is ever really free.
xpguy said: go back and read it again slickdoobie, from what I understand...
Say you have $100 in checking $0 in savings You go and buy a piece of candy for $1.01
They will move $0.99 from your checking to savings They will match that 100% in the 1st 3 months (give you $0.99)
Now your account looks like: checking $98.00 savings $2.99 (your $2 plus their 100% match of $0.99)
did I read this wrong?
dumadum
Member
posted: Oct. 5, 2005 @ 10:40p
xpguy said: did I read this wrong?
I guess so. they would move the round off , 1 - (cents portion of your purchase) , amount to your savings so they would move 0.99 of your money from checking to savings. for the first 3 months they would match that 100% so add another 0.99 to savings So in total you would have 98 in checking 1.98 in savings. & 1.01 worth of candy .
since i have a checking acct with bofa... i might as well try this out.
i tried thinking of places to use it... but can't. Gas I get back 5%. Supermarkets too. Telephone and post office I get back 2x. leaving me with my coffee and thinking if I could do the paypal as samko mentioned instead...
3) Someone else may be able to help out with this last idea - using a paypal merchant account to charge your bankcard $1.01 252 times over. This comes to an average of three times per day over 84 days. It seems that paypal fees are about 33cents per transaction. Pros: Very easy to do once it is set up Cons: Paypal fees would reduce your take to 66 cents per transaction (252x.66=$166.32) - not a bad take for a little work.
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Asahi
Senior Member
posted: Aug. 5, 2008 @ 4:23p
motsuka said: have any of you had your paypal account(s) closed for doing too many $0.01 thigs
Yes, recently i had my Paypal acccount blocked for unusual charges( 6 X $.01 charges)...funny thing is, i have been doing this .01 thing for a while now (4 BOA KTC accounts with successful 250X4 match pending)...they blocked me when i was working on 5th KTC accnt though..need to get creative now.
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