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What's the best place to start an IRA?

Here is what is important:

a) Complete online access
b) Low or no yearly fee
c) Variety of investments

I hear Vanguard is good and has great ETFs, I also hear Sharebuilder is good.
I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on these and others.

Thanks.



Opening an IRA -- the Easy Way WSJ

Message edited by: 1CABBY on 2006-01-29 03:09:01 CST
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If you already have an eligible account with Fidelity (my 401a/403b is, don't know what else qualifies) then a Roth (and perhaps other accounts) is fee-free. It may be based on value of holdings, but I'm not sure. Fidelity sure does have a ton of funds, though.


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Vanguard is the place & meets your a,b,c qualifications. Get one started now so that you can fund it for 2005 and 2006


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Be careful, vanguard's become a landmine of minimums. And if you want etf's you'll need a brokerage account - don't matter if it's at vanguard or not.


U might try the search button and read up on various brokerages/fund families...


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manuel said:Be careful, vanguard's become a landmine of minimums.

Yeah, but if OP funds Roth for 2005 and 2006, he meets the (what I believe to be) $5,000 minimum that avoids yearly fees. If not, I think it's $10/yr.?


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I use firstrade since it's low trade comission ($6.95) and also there's no fees for no load mutual funds and free dividend reinvestment.


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vanguard is awesome.

no fees, lowest expense ratio, great selection of funds. You also have access to a huge selection of funds from other companies, should you want that. I have recurring automatic investments set up. I am very happy with having my account there.


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If you want indexing and low expense ratio, vanguard is the place to be.

If you want the most diverse variety of funds, fidelity is hard to beat.

If you want to trade stocks, stocktrade,firsttrade,etc are well suited.


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No problem with vanguard but worth noting that etrade, fidelity and ETFs all have vanguards expenses beat on index funds.


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Fidelity lowered the expense on their index funds last year to below that of Vanguard funds.

OP need to provide more info to get meaningful answers.
Asset type (stocks vs funds), investment style (index vs active), etc.

My general recommendation is a discount brokerage like Ameritrade if you want to invest on your own; or Schwab if you need more hand-holding. This way, you can buy index-like ETFs, or individual stocks, or mutual funds. Or you can open an IRA directly with a mutual fund company if you plan to invest a significant chunk of assets in funds from that family. I would recommend Vanguard, Fidelity, Dodge & Cox, etc. You want to avoid load fund families like American. Their funds are great; but are better suited for 401K / 529 or other pooled plans where loads are waived.

Some people would argue Roth IRAs are not well suited for stocks because of the difficulty to claim a loss. I generally don't agree. IRAs are good for active investors. This is especially true in the period right after you initial contribution/conversion, where you have some flexibility to claim a loss through distribution/re-characterization and the potential to amass good returns and avoid capital gains.

Roth IRA Losses


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manuel said:No problem with vanguard but worth noting that etrade, fidelity and ETFs all have vanguards expenses beat on index funds.

while i agree, many fidelity index funds have high min. (10k+)


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miserly said:manuel said:No problem with vanguard but worth noting that etrade, fidelity and ETFs all have vanguards expenses beat on index funds.

while i agree, many fidelity index funds have high min. (10k+)


Not sure that is the case for Fido Roth IRA, lower minimum may apply.


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So do most vanguard funds - as I understand it each fund with less than 10K gets dinged $10. Not a lot of money but we're talking fund with ER of 9-18bps. $10 of 3k(minimum) fund makes the ER look even worse.

In general vanguard has gotten very hostile to the small investor - and etfs with <$10 commisions can look pretty good if you're not dollar cost averaging.


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Tradeking = $4.95


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I think manuel hit it right on. When I had my Roth IRA with Vanguard.... I remember a $10 fee/year for having less than $5k in a fund (Roth IRA fee). There was also a $10 /year fee for holding an index fund that contains less than $10k.


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When manuel and timetosave talk...people (should) listen...

you guys remind me of the old EFHutton commercials. I imagine all the 20 somethings on this board with a blank stare.


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T Rowe Price has no minimum with Automatic investement of 50$. They also charge 10$ for balance less than 5,000$/Fund account.


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Price's s&p500 funds has a 35 bps and says $2.50 quarterly for <10K in that fund. No solution for small investors who like index funds there.


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76hhma said:miserly said:manuel said:No problem with vanguard but worth noting that etrade, fidelity and ETFs all have vanguards expenses beat on index funds.

while i agree, many fidelity index funds have high min. (10k+)


Not sure that is the case for Fido Roth IRA, lower minimum may apply.


depends on the fund. and some have lower mins, but most of the fidelity index funds do have high min.
all are listed as spartan, investor class <- fidelity index funds
100k min for fidelity advantaged class with lower expense 0.07&, similar to vanguar admiral shares

fund............min...min retire....expense
500.............10k...10k...........0.10%
ex mkt..........10k...10k...........0.10%
total mkt.......10k...10k...........0.10%
eq index........10k...2.5k..........0.10%
4in1 index......10k...2.5k..........0.21%

i can't get the spacing right, but you get the idea


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