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Are there laws about using credit in infinite loops ways?


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xpguy said:or maybe what have you done with your $100k 0% BT other than conservatively put it in a savings account (boring)?
maybe you decided to go to Vegas or put it in some stocks.
I think it would be interesting to hear some riskier stories


Here's what I wonder about that risk...and let me know if I'm way off base.

1. It's almost a given that the stock market as a whole, will rise in the long run.

2. Like most Fatwalleteers, have a small immediate-term emergency fund in a money market account (liquidity tomorrow) and a larger short-term emergency fund in a STIG bond fund (liquidity in less than a week), to cover me past the bumps along the road to long-term success in mutual funds

3. Assuming a 10% monthly savings rate, that savings could be reallocated to pay minimum payments during the down market (again, replaced further down the road to long-term success)

That said, assuming the BT money does not dwarf your net worth* (eg a larger-than-expected tumble in the stock market could lead you to bankruptcy), why do you treat the big influx of cash different from any other windfall?

Is it purely the psychological aspect of it? That is, your primary fear is that you don't want to be saying to yourself a year from now, "I took out $xx for a 1-year term and lost $xx in that one-year term"?

*Big assumption, I know...


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b0mbrman said:That said, assuming the BT money does not dwarf your net worth* (eg a larger-than-expected tumble in the stock market could lead you to bankruptcy), why do you treat the big influx of cash different from any other windfall?

a) BT money is in my case (and probably many others) higher than annual income.
b) If you were confident enough in your investing capabilities to do leveraged investing, you'd probably already have margin loans from a broker.
c) If your return on the 0% money has a large risk component, you're not really looking at proper "arbitrage" anymore, you're just taking on risk.


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markkundinger said:a) BT money is in my case (and probably many others) higher than annual income.Yes, but your income (and net worth) don't have to be higher than the complete value of the BT, just higher than the difference between a down year in the market and a flat year.

b) If you were confident enough in your investing capabilities to do leveraged investing, you'd probably already have margin loans from a broker.Yes, but at what rate could a broker offer this?

BTW, I'm just referring to index funds...adding to other accounts you plan to hold for the long-term.

c) If your return on the 0% money has a large risk component, you're not really looking at proper "arbitrage" anymore, you're just taking on risk.True, you'd no longer be an "arbitrageur."

But CDs, money market accounts, and other fixed income securities aren't theoretically risk-free either. But the expected return outweighs the risk enough that it's worth it...I don't see why the same couldn't be said--in at least a small proportion--for stock index funds.


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cameron2003 said:Are there laws about using credit in infinite loops ways?

I once had a CC company CSR tell me it was illegal to keep transferring balances from one 0% offer to another.


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cameron2003 said:Are there laws about using credit in infinite loops ways?
Infinite loops... my head hurts just thinking about it. Ex-programmer.


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I don't quite understand how I can borrow money from my CC, because my CC said :"The 0% APR does not apply to cash advances".
Thanks a lot.


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huntermage said:I don't quite understand how I can borrow money from my CC, because my CC said :"The 0% APR does not apply to cash advances".
Thanks a lot.


This really has nothing to do with the maximum annual income ever earned from CC BT interest. Please read a BT investment thread.

Here is a start.


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revheck said:I would be interested in hearing both income and an accurate accounting of how much time you spend maintaining
so many credit lines, without EVER missing a payment--and thus computing an hourly wage.

This thread originated from a guy who just did an APP-O-RAMA with 20 credit lines. I know others here do this, but
for me it would drive me crazy keeping track of all these lines without screwing up just once and bringing the whole
scheme to a halt.


rev,

Unfortunately I opened 0% BT without any homework about 9 months ago. Curiosity brought me to wonder if it was legal or not and I found FW through searching. This year I will only make about 800. This is what I did to minimize my effort. Set up automatic payments from my savings on the first of every month equal to my min monthly payment. I have 3 lines and about 20k in 0%. I have probably spent about 1 hour in applying for the cards, about 30 minutes filling out 3 automatic deduction forms, about 5 minutes writing with a black magic marker the day the 0% runs out so that I don't forget about it and put the cards on my dresser. I will probably spend another 30 minutes making the final 3 online payments to wipe them clean. Finally 5 minutes writing this post, I shouldn't even be doing this because it's dropping my $/hr.

In all probably 2:10 rounding to 2 so about $400/hr. for me. I'm happy.


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