Hello, longtime lurker but not poster. I am curious about what percentage of your pre-tax salary you save? Ive been working for around 6 years now -- I just did a rough calculation based on my earnings and what I have in savings (bank, stocks) as well as what I have in retirement accounts and I come out to saving about 20% of my total pre-tax income. This does not include equity I have in my house -- just liquid assets such as savings, checking, CDs, stocks, 401k, etc.
What percentage of your pre-tax salary do you save each year or each month?
Not as much as I would like but there isn't that much room to spare at the moment.
15% pre-tax to my 401(k) 15% post tax net to the emergency fund
This doesn't include any stocks just raw savings nor equity in my home.
markkundinger
Senior Member - 2K
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 12:29a
15% into the 401k, but total savings, not sure...
... according to MS Money, it's about 34-42%, depending on what period. Not bad considering half of my take-home is spent on rent. (no kids of course).
nathan82
Thrifty Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 12:48a
I put 7% into my 401k.
I calculated my (monthly savings * 12) / annual salary
and came up with ~ 24%. So I'm saving about 31% at the moment.
addy2000
Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 12:51a
With 401k contribution (5%) and employer match (also 5%) I'm actually saving 34% of pre-tax income. Thanks for bringing this up OP... it's an interesting topic that I haven't looked at in quite this way before.
Not sure about aftertax % but I do max out two Roth's and have started putting more money into general savings. Will put more in the coming year as I now have finished paying off my house (January) and car (February). . If I were guessing, I would say that the Roth's and savings account for about 12 to 15% additional.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 5:47a
100%, Paycheck gets directly deposited right into a savings account.
farscott
Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 6:42a
We save about 23% of pre-tax income. We would like it to be more, but my wife is now a stay-at-home mom. We used to save her entire salary, so our savings rate has been more than halved.
About 15%, but I am putting my 2 children through college. So, not to bad.
dealsforus
Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 7:21a
I would say we save about 20% but I was the only earner so far. My wife will start working in next couple of weeks and we hope to save more. No kids here
nikopopodo
Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 7:54a
Here in NYC I'm saving 56% of my post-tax pay...it used to be 65% in LA, but living in Manhattan is just plain expensive.
gobucs007
Cranky Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 7:57a
comes out to about 32% pre-tax salary if you count our tsp (401k) w/match, which you consider liquid, but i wouldnt say it's liquid. of course this drops to about 5% when the wife becomes a stay at home.
I'm curious to know more about the people who are saving 50% or more of their pay.
1. Why are you saving so much? Are you in a transition period and saving specifically for something, some kind of life goal to accumulate wealth, desire to retire early?
2. How are you managing to save such a large portion of your pay? Are you low income but living off mom and dad? Are you middle income and living well below your means? Are you well off ($100K+) and living below your means? Do you have a second job (or fleabay stuff) to make extra money to save?
I understand the need to have a safety net and desire to retire early with a comfortable amount of money. But beyond that I don't see the point of dieing on top of a huge pile of money.
I have no idea how much I will make in total... but at 24, annually it's been;
$15,000 = 401k $ 4,000 = ROTH IRA $68,000 = ING, Liquid, Emergency Funds, Stock Investments (100% of my corporate pay check goes into savings. Around 68k this year.)
Not sure how much I'll make in my own business, but I probably spend about 35% of that, so another 65% into savings? It's not going to be nearly as high as previous years when this was a full-fledged business, but it's still a significant chunk.
autologic said: I'm curious to know more about the people who are saving 50% or more of their pay.
1. Why are you saving so much? Are you in a transition period and saving specifically for something, some kind of life goal to accumulate wealth, desire to retire early?
2. How are you managing to save such a large portion of your pay? Are you low income but living off mom and dad? Are you middle income and living well below your means? Are you well off ($100K+) and living below your means? Do you have a second job (or fleabay stuff) to make extra money to save?
I understand the need to have a safety net and desire to retire early with a comfortable amount of money. But beyond that I don't see the point of dieing on top of a huge pile of money.
It's not dying on top of a huge pile of money, but moreso (for myself anyway, I can't speak for the rest of FW) to retire well before 65. According to some estimates, I may do this around age 40, maybe up to 45 if push comes to shove.
EricGo
Senior Member - 2K
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 9:20a
I am a semi-retired physician in my 40s. Pre-tax savings are about 40%.
I'm not quite sure how this information is helpful, since the total income matters a lot here. My 4 person family spends about $2500 monthly -- most of it discretionary since we do not have debt.
scorched03 said: mariojm said: 85%-90% of post-tax ... around 65-70% of pre-tax.
holy moly. i thought mine was high at 30%ish.. but 65%?
wonder if people that have 6 figure incomes save more or less.
i remember this post way back of a new grad that was a teacher. he said he tried to save 90% of his salary. too much work no play?I guess if you had extremely cheap housing, no car, and and rarely bought anythig other than food, you can get away with that high of a savings rate. Also, six figure income people have a tough time saving that high because taxes alone will take 40%.
I think anything 10% or higher is a healthy savings rate for the long term.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 9:36a
autologic said: I'm curious to know more about the people who are saving 50% or more of their pay.
1. Why are you saving so much? Are you in a transition period and saving specifically for something, some kind of life goal to accumulate wealth, desire to retire early?
2. How are you managing to save such a large portion of your pay? Are you low income but living off mom and dad? Are you middle income and living well below your means? Are you well off ($100K+) and living below your means? Do you have a second job (or fleabay stuff) to make extra money to save?
My whole pay check goes straight into a savings account and is only touched to pay year end taxes. I do this for mainly one reason. To show even with inflation and taxes on the interest that you can make enough in the bank to live off. Seems everyone loves to tell me I am actually losing money by having it sit in the bank. If the interest alone can support my family I guess I am proving them wrong
brokestudent
Broke Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 9:50a
Aprox 50 percent of my household's after tax income goes to either savings or extra debt repayment (not the required payments, extra on top of that). We are trying to pay down my husband's student loans ASAP. After that (about 2 more years) the money will all go towards savings.
We are young, make decent incomes and would like to build up a cushion and strong position for the future. We both work professional positions. I do eBay on the side but I am not counting that in my figure...we are using that money to purchase a rental property.
mbd1mbd1
New Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 9:59a
About 45% pre tax.
autologic
Cranky Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 10:19a
scott1961 said: autologic said: I'm curious to know more about the people who are saving 50% or more of their pay.
1. Why are you saving so much? Are you in a transition period and saving specifically for something, some kind of life goal to accumulate wealth, desire to retire early?
2. How are you managing to save such a large portion of your pay? Are you low income but living off mom and dad? Are you middle income and living well below your means? Are you well off ($100K+) and living below your means? Do you have a second job (or fleabay stuff) to make extra money to save?
My whole pay check goes straight into a savings account and is only touched to pay year end taxes. I do this for mainly one reason. To show even with inflation and taxes on the interest that you can make enough in the bank to live off. Seems everyone loves to tell me I am actually losing money by having it sit in the bank. If the interest alone can support my family I guess I am proving them wrong
So your situation is that you have a large enough sum of money in the bank to live off the interest earned, aka retired. My question is then why work if this is the case? If you are completely self sufficient why do you work? And if your answer is to keep busy then why do you save to reach a goal (retirement/not working) you aren’t ready for?
autologic
Cranky Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 10:22a
EricGo said: I am a semi-retired physician in my 40s. Pre-tax savings are about 40%.
I'm not quite sure how this information is helpful, since the total income matters a lot here. My 4 person family spends about $2500 monthly -- most of it discretionary since we do not have debt.
I agree since your family's "discretionary income" currently exceeds my gross monthly income.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 10:34a
autologic said:
So your situation is that you have a large enough sum of money in the bank to live off the interest earned, aka retired. My question is then why work if this is the case? If you are completely self sufficient why do you work? And if your answer is to keep busy then why do you save to reach a goal (retirement/not working) you aren’t ready for? I really do enjoy working, I own the company so having no boss makes it easy and I get to post on forums all day. Also knowing that I could live off my savings takes away the stress of worrying every day about how business is. I am only 44 so to young to just retire plus if I did then my wife would work part time to get us insurance. I would then have to be more involved with child care. I don't know how women do it, I would rather work 12 hours a day than take care of kids.
Behemoth
Ancient Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 10:51a
scott1961 said: autologic said:
So your situation is that you have a large enough sum of money in the bank to live off the interest earned, aka retired. My question is then why work if this is the case? If you are completely self sufficient why do you work? And if your answer is to keep busy then why do you save to reach a goal (retirement/not working) you aren’t ready for? I really do enjoy working, I own the company so having no boss makes it easy and I get to post on forums all day. Also knowing that I could live off my savings takes away the stress of worrying every day about how business is. I am only 44 so to young to just retire plus if I did then my wife would work part time to get us insurance. I would then have to be more involved with child care. I don't know how women do it, I would rather work 12 hours a day than take care of kids.
are you implying you suck at being a dad?
chuzzlewit
Senior Member - 1K
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 10:57a
autologic said: I'm curious to know more about the people who are saving 50% or more of their pay.
1. Why are you saving so much? Are you in a transition period and saving specifically for something, some kind of life goal to accumulate wealth, desire to retire early?
2. How are you managing to save such a large portion of your pay? Are you low income but living off mom and dad? Are you middle income and living well below your means? Are you well off ($100K+) and living below your means? Do you have a second job (or fleabay stuff) to make extra money to save?
I understand the need to have a safety net and desire to retire early with a comfortable amount of money. But beyond that I don't see the point of dieing on top of a huge pile of money.
I would also be curious: 1) do you have kids 2) do you live in a high or low cost area 3) do you live in a modest house, drive modest cars, etc. 4) do you enjoy life or do you obsess about not spending money to the point that you're miserable (not rhetorical, I have relatives on both extremes, penny-pinching misers who cannot possibly enjoy life because they are always worried about spending money on everything, and those who live well beyond their means buying silly junk and will never be able to retire. I like to think there's a happy medium.)
scott1961 said: My whole pay check goes straight into a savings account and is only touched to pay year end taxes. I do this for mainly one reason. To show even with inflation and taxes on the interest that you can make enough in the bank to live off. Seems everyone loves to tell me I am actually losing money by having it sit in the bank. If the interest alone can support my family I guess I am proving them wrongNo you are not proving them wrong. They are absolutely right if the interest rate minus taxes you are getting from the savings account is less than the prevailing inflation rate. You will then in fact be losing money.
You are also not make as much as you could (opportunity cost) by placing the money into a higher yield investment with perhaps not much more risk.
Susannah
Senior Member
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 11:11a
We save 40% of my husband's pre-tax earnings. We don't put anything into a 401(k), since there is no matching, and a money manager who deals in commodities handles most of our money, and he needs to have margin to work with (we also have a sizeable emergency fund in high-yield bank accounts in case he totally bombs), I trust him very much, but he can't do what he does with an IRA, and he gets great returns. So, the 40% of pre-tax amount is actually all saved after taxes.
I'm a stay-at-home mom now, but before I quit, we were saving all of my take-home pay, some in IRAs, some post-tax. We have 1 kid, are trying for another for those that were asking about family situation.
We save so much so that we will have the option to retire very early, we are on track for my husband to retire in about 5 or 6 years if he so desires. We are weighing whether or not we truly want to retire, or try to get into careers we truly enjoy. It's a tough question to answer, so we just save as much as possible to leave our options open as much as possible. We still enjoy life, we love doing outdoor things, free festivals, free concerts, etc, so the saving is not a hardship, if it was, we would adjust it to where it was no longer. There's not much sense in sacrificing the enjoyment of life while you are younger and can best enjoy it for enjoyment when you are older and less healthy, IMO, but there's also no reason to not see how cheap you can go without sacrificing enjoyment.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: May. 12, 2006 @ 11:22a
MaxRC said: ] No you are not proving them wrong. They are absolutely right if the interest rate minus taxes you are getting from the savings account is less than the prevailing inflation rate. You will then in fact be losing money.
You are also not make as much as you could (opportunity cost) by placing the money into a higher yield investment with perhaps not much more risk. I wont argue your second statement, I am not dumb I know there are better options and will probably look at them when I eventually do retire. Just for right now I feel very comfortable with being risk free and I do have a managed retirement account that does give me some market exposure. I don't agree that I am losing money, How could I be paying bills and buying things if I was losing money? I know there is one flaw in my plan because I am paying the taxes with my salary but by the time I retire I would be at an age where I could start drawing down my principle to pay the taxes, which will be at a much lower rate since no W2 income. Even after subtracting taxes I come out enough ahead to pay my bills. I just don't buy all this inflation stuff, Yes, if you were make a few thousand in interest then it would have an effect but if your making a good amount does it really matter if fairly inexpensive things like food and gas is costing more? I control inflation by adjusting my spending on things I don't really need. If inflation rises just buy less or cheaper toys
Scott -just think about it. A million dollars doesn't buy as much now as it did 20 years ago. The same is true for whatever amount is in your bank account.
Ah that makes sense. Altria is the only organization I have ever known who offered their employees a 15% match (i.e., you put in 10% and they put in 15%) and a free pack of cigarettes. Crazy, but I guess smoking is profitable. I work for a quasi-federal organziation and have a similiar match to yours.
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