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geo123
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 11:07a
hoffjm00 said:You are still missing the point - until the funds clear, HSBC doesn't have the funds in their possession to pay interest on. Of course there is an insufficient funds issue. I could still make the same hypothetical $300K transfer and earn a few days interest on it even though I don't have $300 in the originating account. By the time they figure out, I've made a few dollars in the process. That type of fraud is what HSBC is trying to avoid.Other measures are in existence to prevent this type of fraud from taking place. First, until the account is fully settled in accordance with the Federal Reserve and the National Automated Clearing House Association rules, the financial institution can put a hold not just on the principal in question but on all the interest thereon. If the transfer is then reversed, the institution not only avoids any losses directly attributable to the reversal but can and does fine the account holder.
There's no such thing as a delayed ACH. ACH takes three business days FOR EVERYONE USING THE SYSTEM, HSBC and others. To say they "cheat" their customers is libelous.What is the source of your information? The period between origination and settlement may range from SEVERAL HOURS to several days.
By the way, in certain situations (that do not, to my knowledge, apply to regular interbank ACH transfers in question), Regulation E can extend the final settlement date to 60 days or so. |
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dev77
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 1:05p
anyone know what the interest rates of these accounts are currently? |
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walletLess
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 1:32p
I added the banks I have experience with in the quick summary. |
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geo123
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 2:18p
dev77 said:anyone know what the interest rates of these accounts are currently?Check the stickie! |
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seantay00
- Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 3:21p
Anyone have any thoughts as to how Emmigrant stacks up? Also if you join without any promo's (ie. receiving $25 cash or something), can you cancel an account at anytime without a fee or penalty? |
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FWgunn
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 4:11p
I'd like the throw in my two cents for VirtualBank.
VirtualBank.com * Interest rates not the highest but still fairly competitive (4.6% vs 4.75% @ Citibank). * Super quick (faster than ING and MUCH faster than HSBC). Experience: Request ACH pull from BofA on Mon, money leaves my acct Tue, and interest starts accruing on the cash on Wed. * Good customer service - the few times I called I was immediately able to speak to someone with a clue. Try that with Citibank and their indian call centers. * Really easy to open up a CD with them using funds already on deposit -- took me <10 minutes a few months ago to take some of my cash and lock in a 6-mo CD @ 5.25% * Member get a member program. Referral system allows new members to pocket $20 when you refer them (and get $20).
Good site to look at various savings rates: http://www.bestcashcow.com/savings.html
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fengshi
- New Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 5:14p
Who can refer me to Virtualbank ?
My email is dartshi@gmail.com
You can easily get free money. |
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x43b
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 5:19p
FWgunn said:I'd like the throw in my two cents for VirtualBank.
VirtualBank.com * Interest rates not the highest but still fairly competitive (4.6% vs 4.75% @ Citibank). * Super quick (faster than ING and MUCH faster than HSBC). Experience: Request ACH pull from BofA on Mon, money leaves my acct Tue, and interest starts accruing on the cash on Wed. * Good customer service - the few times I called I was immediately able to speak to someone with a clue. Try that with VB * Really easy to open up a CD with them using funds already on deposit -- took me <10 minutes a few months ago to take some of my cash and lock in a 6-mo CD @ 5.25% * Member get a member program. Referral system allows new members to pocket $20 when you refer them (and get $20).
Good site to look at various savings rates: http://www.bestcashcow.com/savings.html
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Take all the points you made (minus referral) plus: *Higher savings account rate *Higher CD rates *50 free checks and check writing capability *Free atm card *No atm fee *$6/month atm reimbursement for other bank's atm
And you have GMAC Bank. |
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ak47ing
- Broke Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 5:26p
fengshi said:Who can refer me to Virtualbank ?
My email is dartshi@gmail.com
You can easily get free money.
Check your email (spam folder), pm me if you have question. |
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penguinknot
- Frivolous Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 6:15p
CoffeeEater said:jasonb885 said:I am very, very pleased with GMAC after my experience with HSBC. GMAC's sign up was fast, the Web site very friendly, and the CSR I spoke with after I made a mistake with account verification was friendly. I did get hit up with a signature card, but it was postage paid.

I have all of the above accounts and my money is with GMAC. So many great features that the others don't have...plus the high rate.
I write my rent check from my GMAC savings account each month, do ATM withdrawals and get my fees refunded, etc.
I completely agree...GMAC blows the others out of the water. Plus, you can link all the other ones to GMAC to quickly drain them into GMAC. |
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dodgeman007
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 7:30p
jackiechiles said:avikas said:Citibank eSavings: These guys are a joke. Its been 2 weeks and I still cannot view my accounts online. On top of that, they have a silly $50k monthly limit on ACH and charge $3 per outgoing ACH. Definitely needs their heads examined and my worst experience so far.Not sure how you could be two weeks in and not have online access ... I opened my EZ checking account online and was given immediate access, and then opened my eSavings from a link on the account summary page and thus had immediate access to the eSavings as well. Did you apply by phone?
Some of your complaints vis-a-vis the ACH system are valid, particularly if you're a big money player or are involved in the BT game. However, for a regular jack like me, the Citibank setup works great. I have direct deposit of my paycheck into the eSavings, and after it hits on payday, I distribute the total amount I need for current bills over to checking (thus reducing the likelihood of exceeding the six transfers per month limit). Once the checking account is funded, I can do instant payments to CitiMortgage and all of my CitiCards, and I can also do billpay for stuff like my Comcast bill. The leftover just stays in savings and earns a pretty decent 4.75%.
same here i opened my acct moved 15K in the same day, it was there 2 days later and the same day instantly i was able to see my acct online, while i have a decent savings i cant say that i want to move around 50K plus a month, why would anyone need to move that much around from savings to something on a regular enough basis to make it a big deal? i guess im not as rich as you are. |
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asdf83
- Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 8:28p
Presidential Checking (Currently 4.5% APY):
Good: -Unlimited withdrawals (obviously it's checking) -Check writing (obviously) -Free bill pay with fund withdrawal only when check is cashed -VISA Debit card -Historically competitive interst rates -Statements stored FOREVER (why the hell can't anyone else do this)
BAD: -They sure don't waste your money on the website... -1k minimim otherwise $5/month -More than 25K and interst rate goes down -Historical statements/check images use crappy seperate but functional systems -Pin number can't be changed online or over phone -VISA debit card takes 3 monthes -Hard credit pull -Direct deposit required
My Experience: -All transfers to/from emigrant have happened overnight -ATM withdrawals reflected immediately in available balance -2 Calls to customer service. Short wait, good CSR.
My (Biased) Conclusion: -Best account to direct deposit into and bill pay with IMHO -1k min is moot considering the interst the account earns -hard pull is bummer -not playing "the lets keep the checking account as low as possible and only transfer in 1 day before i make a payment because it pays crap interst and screw it up and pay a fee" game is great -Historical statments are fantasic, every account should have this. I don't need to spend a second organizing my statments just like i don't need to spend a second doing the above |
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mhesidence
- Cranky Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 9:44p
2 cents for a Fidelity account. $100 sign-up bonus with 10K deposit. Free checks. Yielding 4.8% right now. See thread.
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=52&threadid=529326&highlight_key=y&keyword1=fidelity
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searching4deals
- New Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 11:11p
I realize that they are FDIC insured, but with General Motors' recent financial difficulties, is anyone concerned about the fact that GMAC Bank is part of GM?
GMAC Bank FAQ
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hoffjm00
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 11:15p
searching4deals said:I realize that they are FDIC insured, but with General Motors' recent financial difficulties, is anyone concerned about the fact that GMAC Bank is part of GM?
GMAC Bank FAQ
That's why I didn't sign up. |
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x43b
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 5, 2006 @ 11:37p
hoffjm00 said:searching4deals said:I realize that they are FDIC insured, but with General Motors' recent financial difficulties, is anyone concerned about the fact that GMAC Bank is part of GM?
GMAC Bank FAQ
That's why I didn't sign up.
FDIC insured, majority owned by outside investors, it is your loss not to sign up. |
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pakesack
- Greedy Member
posted: Jun. 6, 2006 @ 1:30a
i agree with everyone who says gmac is the best. i have accounts with hsbc, virtualbank, ing, emigrant, and citi. none of the other accounts can match gmac in terms of web interface, competitive rates, and speed of transfers. only thing that sucks with gmac is you dont get any bonuses for opening a new account. |
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hoffjm00
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jun. 6, 2006 @ 6:43a
x43b said:hoffjm00 said:searching4deals said:I realize that they are FDIC insured, but with General Motors' recent financial difficulties, is anyone concerned about the fact that GMAC Bank is part of GM?
GMAC Bank FAQ
That's why I didn't sign up.
FDIC insured, majority owned by outside investors, it is your loss not to sign up.
Not really. I prefer HSBC. If my loss for piece of mind and an actual branch in my area is .1% interest, then so be it.
And btw, that majorty is 51%. |
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x43b
- Senior Member
posted: Jun. 6, 2006 @ 8:17a
hoffjm00 said:x
Not really. I prefer HSBC. If my loss for piece of mind and an actual branch in my area is .1% interest, then so be it.
And btw, that majorty is 51%.
I have no vested interest in you using GMAC Bank, use whatever you want. However by using HSBC you are losing more than .1% interest. You are also losing 2-3 days of interest every time you transfer funds from exterior accounts. You are also losing access to easy to open (<5 min) high rate CDs. Also I have a B&M checking account with tons of local branches, at any given time I can deposit/cash a GMAC check, make an atm withdrawal, and have as "instant" access to my money as I want. I don't know how that would change at all if there was an "actual branch" located at any street corner. What would I do if there was a physical GMAC Bank? I'd probably write a check or make an atm withdrawal.
If FDIC insurance, majority ownership by an exterior group, the 10 billion plus cash hoard that GM has, that multi BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT that GMAC makes every year and continues to make means you lose "piece [sic] of mind", you have paranoia issues.
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RS4Rings
- Senior Member - 7K
posted: Jun. 6, 2006 @ 8:32a
x43b said:
If FDIC insurance, majority ownership by an exterior group, the 10 billion plus cash hoard that GM has, that multi BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT that GMAC makes every year and continues to make means you lose "piece [sic] of mind", you have paranoia issues. Not quite Billions in profit but a net profit of $90.7830 million with an ROA of 2.64% makes them look to be a very safe bank. I don't have an account with them but I would have no problem using them. Would rather open with them than one of those $100 Million in total assets CU's we see here
From Bankrate: GMAC BANK GREENVILLE, Delaware bankrate.com. Star Rating лллл Safe & Sound CAELSM Rating 2G
GMAC BANK is a nationally-chartered thrift institution, which, as of December 31, 2005, reported $9.6652 billion in total assets. Mortgage loans and deposits held by the institution, at that date, amounted to $9.3094 billion and $4.2184 billion respectively. December 2005 net worth, the difference between total assets and total thrift liabilities, was determined to have been $708.7850 million which was 7.33% of total assets. For the year ended December 31, 2005, the company recorded net income of $127.8020 million which represented an annualized return on assets (ROA) of 1.99%. Year earlier full year results amount to a net profit of $90.7830 million or a 2.64% annualized ROA. An ROA of 1.0%, within the banking community, is a benchmark of solid profitability, and the thrift industry's ROA for the full year of 2005 approximated 1.2%. |
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