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In today's edition (subscription req'd), the Wall Street Journal highlights SogoInvest, a new online discount brokerage firm that debuts today. They are apparently the new leaders in the price wars, offering $1-$3 trades, depending on the subscription model you choose. Trades are $3 if you want to avoid subscription fees. At $3/trade, SogoInvest appears to beat Tradeking ($4.95/trade) by a hefty margin.

SogoInvest.com

As part of a promotion, they are apparently offering $1 trades for the first 90 days.



I also heard this mentioned on NPR this morning.

Edit: typo


anyone try them yet?
seems good..
reliable??


This looks to me an awful lot like sharebuilder where you your trades are executed in lump sums with everyone else's orders of the day.

I wonder if you can instantly buy stock at a cheap price with them or you have to wait like sharebuilder to get the low price.


timothy86 said: This looks to me an awful lot like sharebuilder where you your trades are executed in lump sums with everyone else's orders of the day.

I wonder if you can instantly buy stock at a cheap price with them or you have to wait like sharebuilder to get the low price.
According to the complete pricing chart:
http://www.sogoinvest.com/Sogo/Home/pricing.aspx

All trades including market trades, limit trades and automatic trades are $3 each. However, "for trades of more than 5000 shares, the total commission cost is $0.005 per share". Not good for penny stock trading obviously.


bump


it doesnt even have a minimum age to sign up...


Looks good, but think I will wait. Maybe they will have a sign up bonus like MOST other brokerages.


what brokerages (besides sharebuilder) currently have sign-up bonuses?


I did the research on SB, it's not good as you think. For SOGO, wonder if anybody tries it yet?


I Plan on signing up


The demo videos sound like they're narrated by a high school girl who lives in the Valley. It's awesome.

It certainly does sound like a sharebuilder-killer. $3 trades is pretty snazzy. It took a bit, but I found out what happens to free cash in an account here:

http://www.sogoinvest.com/sogo/home/interestrates.aspx

2%-4% won't be a draw for the FW crowd, and it's worse than the money market the Sharebuilder uses for sweeps, but it's better than a hole in the head.


Has anyone signed up yet? Any reports?


Sharebuilder was pricey and seemed to be for really green traders.
Anyway, opened up a small account with Sogo and all has gone well.
Yet, I am not certain if you can short.
So, this might pose a problem for me.


I signed up. I already made a few trades. It works great. Only the one dollar per trade for 90 days!
After that it cost $3.00 per trade with no minimums or monthly maintenance fee.

Everything went smooth in opening the account, transferring money, and everything else!

This is so much better than Firstrade where it costs 6.95 per trade!


do they keep track of tax lots (i.e. gainskeeper)?


timothy86 said: I signed up. I already made a few trades. It works great. Only the one dollar per trade for 90 days!
After that it cost $3.00 per trade with no minimums or monthly maintenance fee.

Everything went smooth in opening the account, transferring money, and everything else!

This is so much better than Firstrade where it costs 6.95 per trade!

I presume the money transfer is using ACH? Is the money available for trading immediately when you submit the transfer or is there a wait time?

Thanks.


The money is transferred via ACH - which means there is a wait, there is no such thing as a company that will transfer money instantly for free. When you transfer money instantly that is called a "wire." Most places will do a wire but you get charged.


timothy86 said: The money is transferred via ACH - which means there is a wait, there is no such thing as a company that will transfer money instantly for free. When you transfer money instantly that is called a "wire." Most places will do a wire but you get charged.
If I recall correctly, Scottrade used to credit you the money and let you trade by noon if you submit an eCheck deposit in the morning. Of course you cannot withdraw the money until a few days later. I was wondering if Sogoinvest does the same thing...


Old story

Trades are cheaper because thety make money by marking up your purchase price by penny or pennies. This is how they can afford to charge $3 for trades.

Stay away, this is a legal scam.


I highly doubt Sogo is any scam considering that this is the retail presence of Genesis. Genesis is a pro-brokerage only, and they certainly don't BS their customers and have one of the best systems around.


fleetwoodmac said: Stay away, this is a legal scam.
Could you elaborate? Assuming for the sake of argument that you're right, how would the mark-ups not be illegal?

Are you saying there's some sort of per-share fee hidden in the fine print?


scanchain said: timothy86 said: The money is transferred via ACH - which means there is a wait, there is no such thing as a company that will transfer money instantly for free. When you transfer money instantly that is called a "wire." Most places will do a wire but you get charged.
If I recall correctly, Scottrade used to credit you the money and let you trade by noon if you submit an eCheck deposit in the morning. Of course you cannot withdraw the money until a few days later. I was wondering if Sogoinvest does the same thing...


Interesting, as I never noticed that.
However, Scottrade’s echeck service was shut down.


Brokerages are obligated to the same rules. They cant "overcharge" you because they feel like it.

I dont believe this is a "scam".

But, I would certainly always use limit orders when buying or selling stocks. Of course, I do that anyway.

Any idea how much they pay on free cash balances ?

I might give them a try.

How long does it take from account opening & ach till one can place trades ?


$1 trades for 90 days appears to be their sign up bonus.

stateofmind said: Looks good, but think I will wait. Maybe they will have a sign up bonus like MOST other brokerages.


I applied for an account and requested a transfer, the money was in the account two days after I transferred it and everything has been running smoothly since.

The interest they pay on cash balances are as follows:
$0.01 - 9999.99 2.00%
$10,000.00 - 49,999.99 2.50%
$50,000.00 - 99,999.99 3.00%
$100,000.00 - 249,999.99 3.25%
$250,000.00 - 499,999.99 3.50%
$500,000.00 - $999,999.99 3.75%
$1,000,000.00 and Greater 4.00%


One thing that's nice about sharebuilder is that they sweep funds into a perfectly regular money market fund (BDMXX, yielding ~ 4.64% right now), and they pay the dividends even when the funds aren't yet cleared for withdrawal, as I learned when I accidentally transferred in about $10,000 for 10 days.


E*Trade will credit your deposits instantly - you can trade with the funds immediately after making a deposit.


Does anyone know if you get charged when you cancel a pending order? I did this twice and it doesn't appear to have been charged.


hi timothy86,
Since you r already using an sogoinvest account, can u please share your experience trading with sogoinvest? Are the trades fast and accurate? Does their website go down for maintenance a lot?

Where did u hear abt sogoinvest? i saw their CEO interview on marketwatch.com


So far so good. When I saw them in the paper I decided to try. Opening an account was easy enough. There are things I like and things I don't like.

Their research tool is really good. But that is free to anyone.

The ACH transfers take 3 days to post to account. The interest rate on the money in your account is lower than other online brokers. The real-time trades are fast enough for me but I have used websites that were faster. I think this will get better as they get more established.

The fact I love about it is there are no minimums for the account. It was easy to open. And for the first 90 days all my trades (market or limit) are $1. After that it is $3/trade.

I think that this website overall is pretty good. Not the best but certainly not the worst.

I am happy with them.


timothy86 said: So far so good. When I saw them in the paper I decided to try. Opening an account was easy enough. There are things I like and things I don't like.

Their research tool is really good. But that is free to anyone.

The ACH transfers take 3 days to post to account. The interest rate on the money in your account is lower than other online brokers. The real-time trades are fast enough for me but I have used websites that were faster. I think this will get better as they get more established.

The fact I love about it is there are no minimums for the account. It was easy to open. And for the first 90 days all my trades (market or limit) are $1. After that it is $3/trade.

I think that this website overall is pretty good. Not the best but certainly not the worst.

I am happy with them.

Thanks for providing feedback. ACH taking 3 days is awful.


I agree, I don't understand what takes the transfer so long. I transferred the money on Monday morning (or Sunday night, I don't remember) and it didn't show up in my account till Wednesday morning.


Even Ive opened an account with sogoinvest.

here are the negatives that I could motice immediately:

- Cant sell short
- Cant put stop loss
- No pre-market or after-market trading.
- no options trading


It does have pitfalls, but I only have Sharebuilder and Firstrade to compare too. I think they are working of adding more features and making this better.

After all, they are part of Genesis Securites.

Does anyone know if you get charged for cancelling orders?

I have cancelled a few limit orders and I don't appear to be charged at the end of the day. Just wondering if anyone knows about this. It doesn't say anything on their website.


Who is Genesis Securites ? Ive never heard of them.

I dount they charge for cancelling orders. There wasnt any mention of that on their website.

timothy86 said: It does have pitfalls, but I only have Sharebuilder and Firstrade to compare too. I think they are working of adding more features and making this better.

After all, they are part of Genesis Securites.

Does anyone know if you get charged for cancelling orders?

I have cancelled a few limit orders and I don't appear to be charged at the end of the day. Just wondering if anyone knows about this. It doesn't say anything on their website.


BTW, does anyone know if Sogoinvest does a hard pull on your credit report if you open a margin account?


does sogoinvest allow you to re-invest capital gains?


OFFBEAT said: does sogoinvest allow you to re-invest capital gains?
I assume you mean dividends. I think the answer to that is no, currently. Came across this interview with the CEO here. Says IRAs, options, and mutual funds are coming in the next few months (with IRAs coming first) and that DRIPs are a possibility if there's customer demand.


Skipping 151 Messages...

i called them and highlighted the info received here:

I won't be closing my account but still would be hesitant to call it my main account.




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