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(work in progress. please refrain from OT posts, thanks!)

App-O-Rama is getting a lot more popular, especially as its become much more profitable to take 0% money and deposit it into bank accounts paying 5-6% or more. With some people acquiring six figure total CC limits, it is becoming possible to make several THOUSAND dollars per year doing an App-O-Rama. Naturally, had to dustoff the SIS screename for this one.

History: The thread that started it all. A MUST-READ to familiarize yourself with App-O-Rama. It started innocent enough - I just wanted to shop for products that required credit inquiries all at once , instead of spacing inquries out every few months. This way I could get a bunch of credit, and all the inquiries would be gone 2 years later. I found out a lot of interesting things along the way (like some credit report services will not COUNT same-day inquiries) which reinforced the benefits of an App-O-Rama strategy.

Also be sure to read the linked threads in the Credit Card FAQ as they address most common questions people have about credit cards (closing accounts, getting too many, credit score, etc)

WHERE TO START:

1. Select cards for your App-O-Rama

2. How many cards should I get?
Usually 2-3 cards PER ISSUER (Chase, Citi, AM.EX, etc) is the most a person with perfect credit can reasonably expect , before you start running into rejections for "multiple applications". I like my App-O-Ramas to include about 10-20 cards. Depends entirely on your personal needs and credit situation.

3. When should I do the App-O-Rama?
Since some credit reporting services used by lenders deduct SAME DAY inquiries, I want as many inquiries to hit on the same day as possible. So I start early in the morning (most banks are on East Coast time) during the beginning/middle of the week. Some applications pull your credit as soon as you submit an online or phone app, some send the application to the "back office" for further processing, and they may not pull credit till later that day, or a few days later. We dont seem to be able to control when the lender will actually perform the pull.

4. Should I get joint cards or authorized user cards?
I say no. See my thread in the QuickSummary on the evils of joint accounts. If you get just individual cards, EACH person can apply for the same card, potentially getting greater total credit lines.

5. I got approved for a card, but it came with a small credit limit because I have other higher limit cards with that issuer. What should I do?
Dont worry, see this thread many issuers let you move or reallocate the credit lines, so you can move a large portion of your credit lines to the card with the best offer.

6. What are some risks of App-O-Rama?
A poorly thought out App-O-Rama wont help you much, but shouldnt hurt you beyond the credit inquiry hits. However, there have been instances of people experiencing adverse effects on their credit when lenders got spooked. Discuss them here, and also read about it in the archived thread linked in the QuickSummary. Of course, if you spend all that newfound credit, it could spell financial disaster for you. And dont even think of trying to apply for a bunch of credit just to default or leave the country.

7. How much are people making doing this?
A lot. For someone with a good credit profile, $200-300k in new credit lines during one App-O-Rama is not unheard of. And with some creative reallocating of existing credit lines, and high interest deposit acccounts, profit of $15-20,000 or more per YEAR is possible. Do I think this qualifies as one of Fatwallet's Hottest Deals ever? Yes. But only if done right. Those with limited credit history, small credit lines, etc will not be able to get such large credit lines.

8. Tell us your stories!
There have been MANY App-O-Rama success stories posted in this forum. I linked some recent ones in the QuickSummary. Please feel free to link your App-O-Rama thread. if you didnt feel like doing a whole thread, a simple reply to this post listing the benefits you gained from App-O-Rama would be helpful.

9. I still have more questions. Help!
While I cannot spend all my time answering PM's , I will try to help those get started if you PM me and ask nicely Note: The App-O-Rama has been extensively discussed in this forum in the many threads linked in the Quicksummary, and you should AT LEAST carefully read through this introductory post first. Rather than create a new thread asking questions about App-O-Rama, ask them here. As you can see, the most valuable App-O-Rama threads are those where the member did their research and documented their experiences.

Message edited by: SUCKISSTAPLES on 2007-08-04 12:17:34 CDT

Other FW Members post their App-O-Rama Experiences

NOTE: Please add your Summary and Statistics in the following thread.
Summary and Statistics for Several Recent AOR'S

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2007



2006


2005



SIS' App-O-Rama threads, and other of my Credit Related threads

SIS App-O-Rama #1
SIS App-O-Rama #2

Possible negative impacts of App-O-Rama
Credit Card Limits thread
Multiple credit lines from the same issuer
good debt vs. bad debt, and using credit to MAKE money
The evils of JOINT accounts
Business Credit Cards thread (Archived)

Other FW Threads
Business Credit cards thread 2007 (The MEGA biz card thread)
The Unofficial Penultimate Credit Union Post
Maximum annual income I ever earned from CC BT interest rate arbitrage and CC/bank rewards
How to make money with Balance Transfers
0% BT cards with no or low fees
link to BOA no fee 0% BT CC deals
How to get the Balance Transfer money from CC companys that don't transfer to checking accounts
Credit cards which allow you to move / shift / reallocate credit lines among various cards from that issuer
A Summary of techniques for receiving BT money into your checking
Credit Card Application status check thread: Online / Phone
Credit Limit Increases: Strategies for CLI Without a Hard Pull
FAQ discussion: GETTING, KEEPING high credit / FICO scores. Glossary, data points, utilization, etc.
Credit score monitoring
$12,000 credit card bonuses
Why you should get business credit for your AoR!
Citi now allows ACH to checking account on their website


Other Related Rama's
Vmaxer's Mortga-App-O-Rama
Cameron2003's chaotic CrapORama
markkundinger May 2006 Stuff O Rama
Investing w/ credit line promo rates: strategies, FAQ , links, AOR info, etc. RE making $$$ from credit

Useful App-O-Rama related resources from elsewhere
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PLEASE NO SPAMMING


Yodlee Money Center
A key ingredient to managing a large number of credit-cards, bank, and other accounts.
Mint.com
A pretty version of Yodlee.
App-O-Rama.com
A good listing of card offers, including 0% APR No Fee BT's

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Message edited by: joe4u on 2008-10-10 19:13:45 CDT
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Green for SIS!

I'd recommend applying for more than 3 cards with Chase and Citi in an AOR though. I had no problem getting 6 chase cards approved within a month. And for citi I'd just keep applying till I get rejections.

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Added some more archived AORs to the QuickSummary.

5.0. I got approved for a card, but it came with a small credit limit because I have other higher limit cards with that issuer. What should I do?
Dont worry, see this thread many issuers let you move or reallocate the credit lines, so you can move a large portion of your credit lines to the card with the best offer. Definitely consider reallocation prior to making BTs if a card issuer charges BT fees with a maximum. It's better to pay $75 once on a reallocated (or consolidated) line than multiple times.

5.1 Consolidate if Reallocation isn't an option. Some card issuers may not allow credit line reallocation, but do allow two cards to be consolidated (BofA for example). Consider consolidating your old card into your new card for additional available credit before initiating your 0% BT.

Also, people should check out the list of 0% offers and signup bonuses over at the App-O-Rama site.

Message edited by: mbaker4096 on 2006-10-18 00:44:10 CDT
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GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK SIS - FWF has SORELY MISSED YOU!

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I have some questions and since I have questioned the logic of App-O-Rama, I guess I will play devils advocate here or possible be convinced to do one. You say you could make $15,000 to $20,000 PER YEAR playing the game but since most cards have a limited time of 0% wouldn't that require you to do an App-O-Rama every year? Would your score recover enough to do another in a time frame that short? Also I would think that someone who has the credit profile and income to get lines of $200k-$300k could have the ability to make better money in RE or some other business venture. I am not criticizing the game and have seen that some here have made it work well for them and I guess I am just looking for some more info to help me decide

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scott1961 said:since most cards have a limited time of 0% wouldn't that require you to do an App-O-Rama every year? Would your score recover enough to do another in a time frame that short No and Yes.

0% offers often come on existing accounts too, not just new ones. Remember, you dont ALWAYS need to keep the money out, you can pay it all back when the promo expires, and get a "clean" credit report again, ready for a new App-O-Rama. I think you are presuming that you dont pay back the CCs year after year. Even that is possible year to year if you have a spouse/family member and can "switchoff", so one person has good credit and can apply while the other is carrying the debt. Then switch all the debt when the other person applies. I dont always need to keep the debt outstanding, I can pay it off and apply for new cards every year or even sooner (while they dont disappear for 2 years, the effect of inquiries diminishes greatly after just 6 months...and there are ways of removing the inquiries via bumpage and disputes if you REALLY want them off)

App-O-Rama is not so time consuming that you cant do other things like RE. I am a RE investor, among other pursuits. And I do App-O-Rama. Several other FW vets are App-O-Rama vets and RE investors too. Its a nice extra chunk of change.

Message edited by: SUCKISSTAPLES on 2006-07-14 07:28:25 CDT
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Great idea and thanks for the work!

Message edited by: maddybeagle on 2006-07-14 09:27:22 CDT
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Excellent idea SIS.
This should be stickied right under your invesment/rental property thread.

I personally have done quite a few App-O-Ramas to help me transfer significant portions of my debt to 0% for faster pay downs. I then just transfer the remaining balances back to my LOC when the 0% period is up. I have saved myself thousands of dollars over the last couple years doing this.

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Great thread, a small suggestion from a noob would be to include a few paragraphs on 0% offers - how to get them and how to use them correctly. The tricky part that I would like more tips on is getting the CC companies to B/T to your bank account. Requesting a B/T to another card and requesting a check for a credit balance seems like it would throw off red flags.

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thank you

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I just knew one day this name would be back!

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docbells said:I have saved myself thousands of dollars over the last couple years doing this.
Let's hope that the benefits of App-O-Rama will be preserved and banks don't get smart about it, despite of the "spoon-feeding-on-how-to-do-an-apporama", which this thread seems to be headed to...

Message edited by: SweetCash on 2006-07-14 09:41:28 CDT
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