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I normally get about a 6-8K initial CL from Chase, whereas my spouse who doesn't work usually gets around 11-13K (our credit histories are virtually identicalwith same household income). This has been puzzling me for years, so I decided to apply for my most recent card (Chase Cash rewards) leaving the employer and employment status fields blank. Today I received the card with a 13.5K limit! I think this is the highest initial limit I've ever received except from maybe AMEX. Can anyone provide a rational explanation for why it's better not to provide employment information? I'm going to try the same with Citi, but I expect similar results.



interesting..


Interesting indeed. Let us know how the app with Citi turns out.


I strongly suspect this is a coincidence, unless your income is surprisingly low for your credit profile.


Try applying for your dog, the credit line may be even higher


I'm a student and have no job, and absolutely no credit. I applied for the citi diamond prefered rewards card (expecting not to get it since it says you have to make 12k/year min). I left the job part blank and got approved with 1k limit. Not much, but higher than the 500$ min limit.


LH2004 said: I strongly suspect this is a coincidence, unless your income is surprisingly low for your credit profile.

Do you mean the coincidence of not listing a job and getting a high CL? This is around my 6th Chase card in the past 5 years, with about twice the normal CL (first time not listing employment). My wife always gets a high limit with no employer/ homemaker status. Several times we've applied for the same card on the very same day with said result. Our fico's and income are probably ~85%ile.


Well, looks like the credit industry doesn't do anything rational.

Perhaps they might suspect that someone with good credit and no job is a student. Students supposedly get higher credit lines than working adults, the thought is that they are more likely to get into debt and then be bailed out by their parents or pay it off later when they get a job.


stay at home people shop more and spend more and need a bigger CL.

retired ppl on small fixed income get high CLs too


Not only they give higher CL if you leave Employment blank. This time, me and my friend applied for a Fleet card. I left employment blank and got a $3K CL. My friend put his work Info, and got a letter requesting proof.


Nice find, thanks OP. I'm wondering where's opmnxtc right now, it would be a prime material for him/her.


i have always thought about the same thing...im a college student working part time at home depot, i have about 70k in credit(and no, i have never had a co-signer).i dont have any loans or anything, just credit debt due to 0% trasnfers(i have about 50k in the bank). any card that has a decent bl rate gets maxed. i have never missed a payment, always on time and always a little more then the minuium. the companys are out there to make money, and i think because i have good credit, companys want me to slip so they can profit from me. because i have never slipped before, i think i might be considered low risk but very profitable to companys because of all my debt. think about it. i show them i care about my credit, and dont want bad credit.


in your case, someone who doesnt work, still needs to spend money. i bet even more because they have nothing to do. now with no job they might not beable to pay it back in full, so thats how they make their money and want to extend as much credit as possiable to unemployed. most people dont want to be without a job, and companys know that.


LoL, maybe there is A reason behind it.

People w/o job tend to pay interest?


That's very good info, thanks. I'm going to try to pull it off next time I apply for a Chase card


lostdude said: LoL, maybe there is A reason behind it.

People w/o job tend to pay interest?


They can't be fired, thus they are less likely to whine about not being ably to pay.


They think women spend more...same has always happened when wife and I apply same card same time.


Good thread, never knew we can apply for a card without providing the employment information. BTW this answers why I got the BOFA Power rewards card with an okay credit line along with my Checking account eventhough there is nothing about employment in the Application.


SUCKISSTAPLES said: stay at home people shop more and spend more and need a bigger CL.

retired ppl on small fixed income get high CLs too


Welcome back SIS, where have you been???? when u were missing...........were u a lurker or used a different ID?? Eitherway good to see you back


g10ny said: Nice find, thanks OP. I'm wondering where's opmnxtc right now, it would be a prime material for him/her.

hey, g10ny, i was on probation from FW, all good now.


here's my experience with employment. i called AMEX one time to increase my limit and the rep entered the incorrect amount for income, WAY off. i got declined. i called back and complained/explained, they said no prob, just try again, i did, and voila, approved.


The cynic in me thinks it's as someone mentioned before.
People with no job/source of income are more likely to rack up debt, so higher CL = higher debt= more money for CC company.


jesternl said: The cynic in me thinks it's as someone mentioned before.
People with no job/source of income are more likely to rack up debt, so higher CL = higher debt= more money for CC company.


I would tend to think along those lines as well, but OP said he & his wife fill in the household income, but just started leaving the employer section blank. Maybe there is some presumption about income that is not from employment on the issuer's side? Who knows...


i usually get approved for $20-25k limits when i apply. r u saying if i leave employment blank, they will approve me for $40-50k limit?


Maybe people in your profession are statistically less likely to spend money with them...like they have people studying all kinds of crap, so aside from your credit score they might be looking at your profession to determine how much you'll likely need to charge.


The credit card company assumes that you don't want to disclose your income so they base the decision on the other determining factors in your application. These companies defy logic. I make $61K and got a $3K credit limit with Chase. My in-laws are both unemployed mentally disabled (clinically) people and they both got $7K limits on their credit cards. They ran up the cards and declared bankruptcy. I congratulated them on a job well done. I've never declared bankruptcy but have been late five times. I check out a credit simulator and determined that you're better off declaring bankruptcy than being late five times. Go figure!


thecpa said: The credit card company assumes that you don't want to disclose your income so they base the decision on the other determining factors in your application. These companies defy logic. I make $61K and got a $3K credit limit with Chase. My in-laws are both unemployed mentally disabled (clinically) people and they both got $7K limits on their credit cards. They ran up the cards and declared bankruptcy. I congratulated them on a job well done. I've never declared bankruptcy but have been late five times. I check out a credit simulator and determined that you're better off declaring bankruptcy than being late five times. Go figure!

I hope you are not really a CPA, as your username suggests.


They assume that your wife owns a small business.Been there ,done that..... no work history for the past 3 years ,applied for "citi rewards card" 10 days later their rep calls me ,asking if i might be interested in a "citi business rewards card"...


Bump and green for OP. Some weird, but good info.


How might this compare to listing employment as Self-Employed? I'm now SE, but I don't really want to have to provide tons of proof of income and all that nonsense. However, I am definitely looking for new 0% BTs.


I am going to try this and see what happens.
Whats even funnier my retired mom did this applied for neiman marcus card got it I couldnt.


Another possibility, people with no jobs don't have a sudden decline in ability to pay when they lose their jobs.

Chase has been confusing to me. I got four Chase cards in Aug and Sept, #1 was a gas card, $4k. #2 was Flex Rewards, $5k. Did a little CLI and reallocation to $1k/$10k. Card #3, the mastercard with 5% CashBack for life, came in at only $2.5k, so I figured I had about all the credit they wanted to give me. Found out I could still get the 5% rewards Visa, applied for that and got $5k. All apps stated I was professional or accountant with HHI of 65k. All other CC issuers either denied me (thin file, no currently open accounts older than 3/06) or gave me $5k initial lines. I'll CLI my Chase lines as much as I can for a few months and then try an AOR in March if my scores are still OK. I owe $8900 on the 10k Chase, so I suspect that may have pulled my thin file under 700 FICO.


my mom called chase to do a large BT on a 10k card (was going to reallocate) but they increased her to 22k. Might want to ask for CL Increase, especially if to do bt




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