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In the new GETTING and KEEPING high credit scores FAQ , we keep seeing questions from people who aren't so much interested in that specific topic (high scores) as they are in accumulating large credit limits.

That subject (and thread!) is massive enough without veering off into this related subject. Moreover, FW is cluttered with many repetitive posts and threads where people state very similar circumstances and then end with, "what should I do?" So, the purpose of this thread is to serve as a single place to ask and answer questions about getting bigger credit lines. I would appreciate it if, before asking a question about your own specific situation, you would do other FWFer's the courtesy of reading through the OP--AS WELL AS the other replies, at least until the thread grows too long.

OK, here are some preliminaries.


I. REASONS FOR WANTING LARGER LINES

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's chuckled at the number of recent posts asking how to get lines that are "large enough", without any details about what the poster's goals are. Before deciding what your targets will be for your line sizes, please consider this list of reasons and refine your questions accordingly (Also, please help me refine this list of reasons, as I'm sure I'm missing some.)

A. More purchasing flexibilty. This one is the most obvious. If I have a $25,000 rewards line, I probably don't have to worry about going over the limit regardless of how much spending I do in a month. Indeed, if this is the main reason for a larger line, $5,000 would be more than adequate for probably 90% of FWF members.

B. A bigger emergency "reserve fund." A great feature about credit cards is that they allow you to get quick cash when you really need it, without getting approved for a loan application. (Of course, a person who does this in a naive way could set themselves up for very high interest, but that's another discussion.) If I have $20,000 in unused, unsecured, reasonable-rate credit available, I can rest a bit easier knowing that if a medical or other tragedy should strike, I have that to fall back on.

C. Lower "credit utilization" at any given usage level. As discussed in detail on the score thread, lower utilization helps your scores and your overall credit profile. So even if you'll never "need" a $10,000 limit on your card, it's MUCH better to have this limit than, say, a $3,000 limit if you cycle often closes at $2,500 a month.

D. Better return from investing promotional-rate money. The
"Investing w/ credit lines" thread goes into plenty of detail about how one can make money useing their promotional rates. For our purposes here, it's enough to observe that bigger lines = bigger profit for essentially the same hassle factor. Indeed, it's even better than that once tranfer fees are introduced. It probably doesn't make sense to do a 12 month at 0% offer on a $2,000 line if there's a $75 fee. But if it's a $20,000 line, there's a MUCH GREATER than 10x return available.

E. If you raise one, others may follow. I've seen dozens of instances in which creditor A was willing to increase a line to $x only after creditor B already did so. This is especially true with limits of $50,000 or below. There is some logic to this: if other creditors have found you worthy of $10K, then that is one reason for thinking it wouldn't be imprudent to for us to grant you $10K as well. And beyond logic, banks and creditors love to play follow the leader. (And after all, while they can't see or easily confirm your income, they can see your (reported) credit limits based on the inquiry they just did.)

After mulling these over, one should have a better sense of what their goals for line sizes are. Having explored that, let's move on to:


II. HOW TO MAKE YOUR LINES LARGER

A. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!! Yeah, yeah, you say...but this isn't just a nag. Believe me, you will be FAR better equipped to obtain large lines if you have spend the time needed to familiarize yourself with various line-increase tactics discussed here and elsewhere. Card issuer policies differ, sometimes dramatically, and careful searching and reading here will familiarize you with which strategies should be most promising and along with possible pitfalls to avoid (like American Express's dreaded "Financial Review"). Moreover, posters at FWF and elsewhere will be far more inclined to give you useful help if it's clear you don't need to be "spoon fed." One useful step, especially if you've got five-figure lines already, is to see what has actually worked for other FWF members at the LARGE credit lines thread.

B. Cover the basics: keep the report flawless and scores high. Following the rules in the scores thread won't guarantee you high limits, but they'll make it MUCH, MUCH easier to do so.

C. Report your income as generously as the apps allow. While it's against the law to lie about your income for purposes of obtaining credit, there's no reason you can't report income in the manner most favorable to your situation. The classic case is when the application form asks for "household income" only. Well, if you live with roommates or parents, it isn't technically inaccurate to include an estimate of all that income. Of course, if they asked you to document YOUR income, that would be a different matter. But 99 times out of 100, they won't. And if they do, you can answer truthfully.

D. Consider requesting balance transfers at application time. This is hard to track, but many issuers have seemed to give larger initial credit increases if you're willing to transfer a balance at the time of application. These practices vary considerably, even with the same issuer, so YMMV...but if you have a good "destination" elligible for a balance trasfer (sometimes even a checking account will do), this is a strategy to consider as well. (Thanks SecondCor521 for the reminder).

E. Strategically "spend" credit inquiries on increase requests. FWF contains untold paragraphs waxing enthusiastic on getting NEW lines of credit. But few seem to think carefully about how to bolster current credit lines. Why not get your credit in tip-top shape, along the lines of the credit line thread; and then submit several line increase requests at once, "AOR style"? The great thing is that unless your utilization has grown so high that your lines are cut, you will only be BETTER off 6 months from this "application spree". Why? (a) the significance of the inquiries will fade away, (b) all your lines will be six months older, and (c) at least some of them will almost surely be larger than they otherwise would have been....further boosting your credit score/profile.

F. Watch for "hard inquiry free" line increase opportunities. Some issuers will give you a chance online or over the phone to "see if you're elligible" for a line increase. Often, when you indicate your assent, you'll be prompted that a credit inquiry/check/evaluation will be needed. This ALWAYS means a "hard inquiry". But sometimes, it will instantly approve you without such a prompt. Usually in such cases, you'll get the approval without the "hard inquiry". There's a data thread maintained by dlr3 about what as worked here (thanks markkundinger).

G. Selectively reallocate and consolidate your lines. I explain on the credit score thread that generally, reallocation (moving part of the credit line from card A to card B) is better than consolidation (closing card B and moving it all to card A). But either way, when done carefully, this can be the most rapid and reliable way to crack new "limit tiers." For example, many FWF members haven't cracked $25K on any one line, but have well over $25K with a single issuer...especially after all the mergers (MBNA & BofA; First USA & BankOne & Chase, et cetera). If you're in that situation, then after DOING YOUR HOMEWORK per above, why not see if you can reallocate and consolidate your way to $48K on one and $2K on the other? That might be just the thing to start cracking $25K on your other lines too. For info on which card issuer has been/is allowing which consolidation, please visit SIS's reallocation data-points thread.

H. A special note about AU status and line sizes. In the credit score thread I discussed the strategic use of "authorized user" status. In the context of getting larger lines, it can be even more helpful. For example, suppose your largest line is $5K, but your parents have a 10-year old line with their credit union for $25K. Well, odds are that if you're made an AU on that line, creditors will be much more willing to move your other lines closer up to that $25K...especially if you can provide decent sized income numbers to match. (I've actually done this for a couple of close friends, and it's worked like a charm.) Are your parents/friends/siblings wary of trusting you with that much credit? That's not mean of them, they're just being smart! What we did was, I made them AU, but they never even saw the card or the number, as it was sent to my address. They had no plastic to charge up, and literally didn't even know who to call to find out their number. Now of course I'm not suggesting that this will be much of a deterrent if someone's determined to charge up their new AU card. But if you proposed to Mom or Dad, "hey, if you make me an AU, it will help me, and I don't even want you to give me the card or number...", it might provide the assurance they need to get you that coveted status.


No doubt they'll be much more editing to come, but hopefully that will get us started. As always, comments, suggestions, and on-topic questions are most appreciated. TIA, and I hope this is useful.


OP content edit history:

7/23/06 OP, typo fixes, addition of SIS's reallocation data-points thread and dlr3's list of non-hard inquriy CLI data. Added a section on BTs at application.


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Message edited by: DaveHanson on 2008-01-03 01:30:21 CST
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Related thread for getting increases without inquiries.

Banks/issuers that are easy to reallocate credit with:
MBNA
CHASE /add by madhorse3: as to Chase, it seems that they will pull a hard inquiry if you want to do reallocation.
grrarrgh: this varies -- I've had hards pulled, and no hards pulled when reallocating similarly sized amounts -- see the reallocation thread for similar experiences on the part of others
CITI
AMEX

Message edited by: grrarrgh on 2006-07-25 01:51:55 CDT
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reserved for personal (less "proven") tactical suggestions

Message edited by: DaveHanson on 2006-07-23 19:40:08 CDT
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Good post. This is relavent to my interests, as I am fairly young (24) and am currently bound by that first limit of 10k on two of my cards. Maybe with a little work I can get up to that 25k mark. I'd like to play the BT game after I get my first house, so if I could have at least 50k in credit, it would make it much more worth my while.

Thanks for the informative post!

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I've done re-allocations with MBNA and CHASE. They are relatively easy and straight-forward.
Any experience with BofA ? I'm thinking of applying for the new BofA AMEX card and (after reeipt of the new card) re-allocating some of my BofA VISA line.

Has anyone done this yet?

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Here's an easy subject.

"Soft pulls" on your existing cards

Often, requesting an increased line of credit results in a new inquiry to your credit report by the lender (a "hard" inquiry). While one or two inquiries isn't a big deal, if you're in the middle of an app-o-rama, you want to conserve those for important things.

Fortunately, number of issuers have "Credit Limit Increase" request buttons on their websites, or automated phone systems to request a CLI. In general, if these links don't have a disclaimer that mentioned accessing a credit report, then you can click them. For instance, AMEX has perhaps the best known credit limit increase button. If you click it, you might get an instant increase. But, If you get a form that you need to fill out, then that will result in a new inquiry on your report.

Each card issuer may impose it's own limits (no increases over $25k, account must be open at least 6 months, one request per month, etc.).

These soft request are a good source of "low-hanging fruit" if you've had your cards for a while and see what you can do to boost your limit.

Increases through usage (or lack thereof

Many issuers will also increase limits over time. The factors that are considered vary by issuer, and are perhaps more mysterious than anything else. However, there are a few likely suspects:

- Account age (older is better)
- Account balance (having a low current balance is probably useful, lenders don't tend to increase maxed out lines)
- Maximum balance or usage (heavy use may tend push an increase).

There's a whole thread dedicated to these tactics

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Is it OT here to mention requesting balance transfers at application time? Not sure if you're limiting this discussion to getting larger existing lines or getting larger lines in general.

2Cor521

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Thanks for this thread, Dave! I'm confused about the relevance of income. Folks in this recent thread have reported receiving double the credit line after leaving out their incomes. I've also read elsewhere (I believe it may have been in Liz Pulliam Weston's book about credit scoring) that students with no income often get higher CL's than when they become working adults, presumably because the parents were going to bail out the student, but later the person has to pay the cards off from his or her own income.

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markkundinger said:
Many issuers will also increase limits over time. The factors that are considered vary by issuer, and are perhaps more mysterious than anything else. However, there are a few likely suspects:

- Account age (older is better)
- Account balance (having a low current balance is probably useful, lenders don't tend to increase maxed out lines)
- Maximum balance or usage (heavy use may tend push an increase).

While some of these factors make sense, I don't think I will ever understand the mysteries behind these limit increase decisions. Case in point - my AMEX card is just about 2 yrs old and started off with a 4k limit. But 2 yrs later, the limit is $60k. I never asked for the increase but kept on getting a letter almost every quarter announcing the new limit. And its not as if I have a very long credit history, its just about 3 yrs. Not that I am complaining since other issuers have also increased limits pretty substantially following AMEX's lead.

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Thanks for the kind words and helpful remarks!

Reallocation is certainly on topic for this thread, but let's not turn it into a "how do you reallocate at x" discussion please. Per markkundinger's helpful suggestion, I've linked dlr3's thread that contains data on who allows this.


SecondCor521, your suggestion on BTs at application is certainly on topic...I've added it to the OP. Thanks for the reminder.


mariojm, you raise a good point about the inconsistancies on income. You're absolutely right that college students often receive better limits while in school than they do afterwards, especially when their first jobs have low pay (and their income is truthfully reported to the credit grantor).

The case of the larger line being given when NO income is reported, is definitely an outlying case. Generally speaking, income will be required for a CLI AND for an initial application. And ALWAYS, more is better, UNLESS it seems un-credible and a human credit analyst decides to intervene, request docus, etc.


bozo007, that "auto-granted" AMEX line in that short a time frame is remarkable. Congrats! Would you consider posting as many details as you can to the LARGE lines thread ?

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bozo007 said:While some of these factors make sense, I don't think I will ever understand the mysteries behind these limit increase decisions. Case in point - my AMEX card is just about 2 yrs old and started off with a 4k limit. But 2 yrs later, the limit is $60k. I never asked for the increase but kept on getting a letter almost every quarter announcing the new limit. And its not as if I have a very long credit history, its just about 3 yrs. Not that I am complaining since other issuers have also increased limits pretty substantially following AMEX's lead.

Very interesting, did you do anything unusual in the 3 years, like win the lottery? My credit history is about equally as long, perhaps a little longer, and my highest card is now 10k. I noticed on one of my cards (local CU-issued) they would never increase my credit line without me asking for it, then I stopped charging to it when my CL was about 5-6k, and now about 2 years later it's gradually increased to 10k!

Someone I know got his first CC in college and built up a 20k credit line while barely ever using the card and never requesting an increase. Then he applied for a different card once he started working and only got $200 CL! (Could it be that his old account was closed due to inactivity and doesn't show on his report? I thought they stay on the report for another 6 or so years?)

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This may be a stupid question, but are there any guidelines available for what kind of CL someone can realistically shoot for given income, length of credit history, etc. if they don't have any negative information in their credit report? Or are there too many factors involved? I'm thinking there are only so many different variables in a credit report and so many similar situations that people are in, there ought to be a similarity. For instance, I make a decent engineer's salary, pay my bills, have a few cards, always pay them off on time, don't have many inquiries; yet my highest CL at 10k seems lower than most folks here. (maybe they just have a much fatter wallet?) Maybe I don't ask aggressively enough? I usually go with the small increases they offer for not pulling a report.

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mariojm said:This may be a stupid question, but are there any guidelines available for what kind of CL someone can realistically shoot for given income, length of credit history, etc....Not at all stupid. But it is very much YMMV.

It sounds like you're following all the "rules" as outlined in the credit score thread. The next step is using the strategies above to be more aggressive about bumping those lines up. In time, some of your lines will no doubt rise automatically..but by requesting increases every 6 months to a year on those that don't, reallocating when it makes sense, etc., you'll no doubt be able to pull them up.

Keep in mind that the "CC investing" crowd at FWF is not remotely typical when it comes to line sizes.

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mariojm said:This may be a stupid question, but are there any guidelines available for what kind of CL someone can realistically shoot for given income, length of credit history, etc. if they don't have any negative information in their credit report? Or are there too many factors involved? I'm thinking there are only so many different variables in a credit report and so many similar situations that people are in, there ought to be a similarity. For instance, I make a decent engineer's salary, pay my bills, have a few cards, always pay them off on time, don't have many inquiries; yet my highest CL at 10k seems lower than most folks here. (maybe they just have a much fatter wallet?) Maybe I don't ask aggressively enough? I usually go with the small increases they offer for not pulling a report.

I think you answered your own question there. I was in a similar situation until I started asking for increases more. Now I have four lines at or above $20K and a total CL of just over $200K. I doubt my income or credit profile is much different from yours. You just have to get into a ballsy FW frame of mind.

2Cor521

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A little off topic, but if I was single and fresh out of college, I would get the largest line of credit I could and put my full credit limit along with any free cash all into extremely aggressive stocks (actually I would buy options).

One of two things will happen. You would hit the market or a stock at the right time and make a lot of money (then immediately pay off the debt). The other option is you lose money, can't repay the debt, and file bankruptcy.

The key here is that if you are single with no assets, the risk (filing bankruptcy) is not really that bad. This strategy is similar to what the guy used who wrote the book "Wealth without risk". It has been awile since I read the book, but if I remember correctly he filied bankruptcy twice before becoming a multi-millionaire.

I would love to try this, but I have a house, wife, two kids, Roth IRA's, 401k, etc. Therefore, I cannot take the risk.

I have actually thought of getting divorced (to separate us financially) and giving my wife all the assets, cash, retirement accounts. Then, I could try this strategy as a broke single guy.

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As far as filing bankruptcy for someone fresh out of college, I think they would be in for a decade of trouble paying for insurance, being approved for rent, etc. and may end up far behind in life than someone who does it a less risky way. You can probably get a higher sustained CL and return by not risking everything.

(Edited to bring remark on topic.)

Message edited by: mariojm on 2006-07-24 01:22:31 CDT
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I kinda walk the line between buying options with borrowed money, and doing the CD thing. I like dividend paying stocks, which have been great to me.

On a side note, two things I saw.

#1 you aren't going to generally get what you don't ask for. I ALWAYS ask for the max line. If I get turned down, no big deal. I can come work my way up to the max credit line down the road, but if you only ask for 10k, you probably are't going to get much more than that.

#2 Building credit lines is really key. I have worked up to over 30k with USAA's MC, and I think I had like one credit pull or maybe two the whole way. We are talking 5 or 6 increases over a period of years. You wait 6 months or whatever the timeframe is, then ask for an increase. I know BOA is like 9 months.

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DaveHanson said:bozo007, that "auto-granted" AMEX line in that short a time frame is remarkable. Congrats! Would you consider posting as many details as you can to the LARGE lines thread ?
Done. I have a suspicion that this may also be linked to my use of an AMEX corporate card which I got in June 2005. Nominal limit on it is $20k with typical monthly spend around $10-15k. While I am not responsible for payment, AMEX did ask for my SSN while issuing me the card (there was no hard pull though).

On a related note, my wife also has a limit of $40k on her own card with no independent income or employment which is only adding to the mystery.

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My AMEX TrueEarnings has my fastest growing CL (though not the highest). Opened in fall of 2005 with a $2k limit, used the online form twice for a CLI request and they also gave me an automatic increase. The first time the CL jumped to $8k, I reallocated $2k from a different (<$5k) AMEX, they then increased my CL to $12k, and I asked for another CLI and I now have $15k on it in less than 10 months.