My 14 year old got a seasonal part time job this summer. We have required him to save 1/3 of his pay for a car down the road. The rest of the money he is spending on typical teenage stuff.
I am considering matching his summer income (~500) and depositing it into a Roth IRA in his name. My intent is to get him into the habit of retirement investing early and to teach him about compound interest. At the moment immediate gratification is his middle name. My only concern is that he'll not appreciate the lesson and cash out in his twenties when money is typically very tight. Even that wouldn't be the end of the world unless the money was used for something bad.
Has anyone else set up a Roth when their kid was a teenager? Did it make an impact on their attitude toward saving or was it a complete waste of time?
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Remember, I don't think you can contribute more to a Roth than you make in earned income in a year.
I had a brokerage account opened for me when I was in high school, and a small stock purchase made for me (but I got to select the stocks). Learned the basics of investing, etc. Kind of neat.
Not so sure about the Roth, but maybe if you set up some kind of modest and continuous matching program (the 401k of Dad), then it would make him less likely to cash out.
This sounds like a great idea OP. Every year you don't contribute to a Roth is another lost year. I'm pretty sure the OP knows he/she can only contribute up to his earned income (and that's why he's matching it). If I had known about investing at that age, or my parents had taught it to me ealier, I would have dumped every penny I could into my Roth in my teens instead of letting it fester in a savings account. Now that I'm a full time college student and have no earned income, I think about getting a job at Burger King just so I can contribue this year.
There's not much you can do to prevent him from withdrawing, but it's also a little early to tell what he'll blossom into. But I think you're definately on the right track, particularly since it's not his money going into the account. He'll thank you when he grows up and retires 50 years from now, and that $500 is $75k, tax free.
It really depends on the kid. My mom always asked me to put money in CD's when I was younger, and when I started earning more, I put them in Roth IRA's. Only recently did I really start getting into everything and realizing that I should continue the trend. My mom was diligent, but not overbearing, and I think that really got me to be more responsible. I am financially responsible, except that I sometimes spend a little too much on tech gadgets (because thats what I do). Some people are better, some are worse.
ChildsEyes said:Has anyone else set up a Roth when their kid was a teenager? Did it make an impact on their attitude toward saving or was it a complete waste of time? My parents invested some money for me (UGMA or whatever) when I was a kid and didn't tell me about it until I turned 25. It worked out very well as I was not aware of it until I was at the point where I was financially responsible.
Just make sure your kid develops a heathly relationship with money. It would take a lot more than $500 in a Roth but I have seen wealth (or, more often delusions of wealth) really mess people up.
OP, I just wanted to say that I think this is a brilliant move for a teenager. Starting early makes a HUGE difference. I fully intend on doing this for my child if I am financially capable.
One thing that I would stress regarding setting up an acct in your child's name is not to even give them the impression that it is their money, or that it can be withdrawn. Make yourself the power of attorney. I was fortunate enough to have my mom do this for me, and I have a substantial chunk of change in my roth in my mid 20's. Granted I have made contributions myself in the last 2 years, I never quite realized till as of late how huge of a "headstart" this is towards retirement.
I have no idea how you deal w/ your son, but I never even felt like the money that my mom contributed towards my IRA was mine. Afterall, I didn't contribute a penny till recently. So, assuming you've taught him good morals and he realizes that this really isn't HIS money, I don't see why he should ever need/want/dare to withdraw the money w/o your permission. I would personally go over in detail and try to explain how much of a headstart you're giving him towards retirement, despite whether he really cares or not. Actually crunching numbers on starting w/ a measely few thousand dollars + 50 years of interest should open his eyes.
Whether this will impact his attitude towards savings I think largely has to do w/ the individual, honestly. Seeing this money has helped me realize how important it is to max out your 401k/roth contributions if possible. Worst case scenario I would think is that he will be grateful, but perhaps may not be willing to contribute more into it once he starts working full-time. I think a kid would have to be pretty shameless to pull the money out you contributed and blow it on something..
When I started working in high school, I opened up a Roth account, and put in most of my earnings there in a custodial account. Best decision of my life, thanks to my parents. i caught the Internet boom, and the Roth really rocketed.
Start early, can't hurt. You can always withdraw the contributions that you put in without penalty, also up to $10,000 each (I think) to pay off student loans and for your first house.
It's important to impart a sense of fiscal responsibility into your kids at a young age, methinks.
also, with the contributions at $4000 now, that's a HUGE amount of money to be able to use for retirement. Especially being able to trade in and out with no fear of paying taxes is fantastic.
Since around 99' my father has placed the maximum allowed by the government, or the equivalent of that years pay for me and my siblings in a Roth IRA account each year. He let us know that he was doing it, and I think it helped all three of us start thinking about retirement at a fairly early age. I know that it is quite possibly the best gift he could have ever given us. There was never "hey dad, can you bum me a $20?" We all had jobs in High School. I'm so glad he didn't buy us some car to crash (I made sure I worked my butt off to pay for a car that I could crash myself, ha!), lots of clothes that all go out of style, etc.
We had to buy virtually everything ourselves, including the majority of college expenses. During the college years there was the occasionally slip the fifty dollar bill in pocket at Thanksgiving, or when heading back at the end of summer vacation, but nothing too major. It seemed to work out fairly well, the balance in my Roth IRA account greatly exceeds the balance of my student loans (17k), and I graduated last May. Neither I nor my sister, and looks like my brother will have any credit card debt. We were definitely frugal in college!
My dad started one for me about 7 or 8 years ago. It didn't have a real impact on my attitude toward saving, but I'm glad he did it. Whenever I wanted to use that money for something else, I was reminded what it is for. It took a while for me to realize how valuable it is, but now I'm contributing the max every year.
Tell him you will only match money (up to $500) he puts into his Roth, to encourage saving out of his own budget as well. Then, offer to match this same amount every year as long as he does not withdraw anything.
I started investing when I was in my teens. IMHO the biggest "thing" you can hopefully get your teen to understand is compound interest as opposed to just purely saving. My parents gave me like $100 bucks and I had to put it in a savings account. I made like $10 in 10 years. I was pissed.
I later started investing in mutual funds when I was 15, and when those first dividend checks came rolling in (this WAS in the mid 90's when anyone could make a buck in the market), I was hooked.
My question is what investment vehicle are you buying IN the IRA? Stocks? Bonds? mutual funds? ETF?
hey there! i will speak from experience... my dad opened a ROTH IRA for me when I was 16(I think that was the minimum age) currently it has my name and "A MINOR" after it. He told me that and I am currently 21 years old. I have maxed out every single year my contributions and has taught me a lot about money. At this current rate, I want to retire in my 40's. I'm current going to be a senior in college and when most of my friends spend their money to do whatever, I just put mine away. It has definately changed the way I looked at life.
"the 401k of Dad" love that line! Although I would add in our case "and Mom!"
Thanks for the feedback everyone....
VirginiaBob says: Tell him you will only match money (up to $500) he puts into his Roth, to encourage saving out of his own budget as well. Then, offer to match this same amount every year as long as he does not withdraw anything.
I really like that idea. I'm not sure for what period of time I would do this... We've got two kids and we've got our hands full trying to max out 401k and two Roths on one income as it is. Not to mention college. Needless to say, I wish I had been mature enough to understand all these issues when I was in my twenties (much less in my teens)!
Codename 47 -- I'm thinking a Fidelity stock index fund as far as the investment goes.
CaptainAlias - I found this on the Fidelity website: 1. Earnings can be withdrawn federally tax-free and penalty-free if the five-year aging requirement and certain other conditions are met. Withdrawals before age 59 ½ may be subject to a 10% penalty on capital gains.
Frankly - "certain other conditions" just confused me more, so I'll keep researching.
wait a minute. I thought contribution has to be from your earned income and not gift from parents. But who cares. I am all for starting the ROTH IRA at the earliest age with whatever money if government doesn't care.
Great idea OP! My folks did this for me and I can confirm this was a good way to introduce me to long term savings. Especially since it's such a good deal tax-wise for young folks, my prarents encouraged me to try to earn the maximum ($2K then) doing my summer job or whatever. Then they contributed the full matching amount.
I thought contribution has to be from your earned income No, it's just limited to that much. You can get the money from where ever you can find it.
ChildsEyes said:Codename 47 -- I'm thinking a Fidelity stock index fund as far as the investment goes.
Be aware that Fidelity index funds have a minimum investment of $10k, so you won't be able to have one of those in your Fidelity IRA until you've accumulated that much in the account. I started my IRA this year (I'm 19) and had originally planned on putting my first $4k into the Four-In-One index fund, but because of the $10k minimum initial investment I ended up going with one of their "Target Retirement" funds instead. Not sure if I will change that or not in the future.
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