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First off- the ISSUE.
The Credit Bureaus have a column where creditors are asked to report "credit limit/high balance". But when a creditor reports only the "high balance" rather than your "credit limit", your credit utilization can look much higher than it truly is, causing large drops in credit score and possible adverse action (denials of new credit etc).

It has been noted in many thread that Capital One credit cards do not report your credit limit to the bureaus, even though the cards have a defined limit. Rather, Cap One reports the highest balance your card has had. Cap One has been sued over this ( see bottom of page 8)

And many other issuers are starting to do this (many of the "no preset spending limit" cards such as WORLD MASTERCARD AND VISA SIGNATURE -see here).

Charge Cards requiring full payment each month (AM.EX charge cards and Diners Club charge card) also report "high balance" since there is technically no credit limit on a charge card (see here)


Now that doesnt necessarily mean you should avoid these cards altogether - some have good rewards or other promos. Just be sure to use the ways to "trick" how the card reports....
with some issuers, you can simply call and complain to the issuer and they will report a credit limit (see the linked threads above) .

With others, such as Cap One, you need to run the card up as high as you can one month, to establish a large "high balance" number. This will function like a high credit limit number, and hopefully subsequent months will have a much lower utilization % compared to that reported high balance.

List all instances of cards which report "high balance" instead of "credit limit" in the QuickSummary...list the specific issuer and card type. And list any tricks that were SUCCESSFUL (ie calling issuer to demand reporting CL, burueau dispute resulted in adding CL, etc)


Citi Premier Pass - Official limit of 15k, however Citi reports the card as having no limit and thus only highest balance shows up. (the monthly high limit, a high balance doesn't stick, it is updated with the balance every month)

Chase Flexible Rewards World Card did not report a limit to Experian, although like my Premier Pass A dispute corrected that within 48 hours.

My AMEX SPG reports high balance instead of credit limit.
Chase Visa Signature reports high balance instead of credit limit. Call Chase or dispute with CRA and they'll report the limit.

My Nordstrom Signature Visa does not report the limit, nor does my Chase United Miles.

*ANY* 'WORLD' MC or VISA 'SIGNATURE' card WILL NOT (atleast by default) report the actual limits (even if they give you a specific credit line)

Message edited by: murthybvs on 2007-03-18 23:27:11 CDT
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This works...for a little while, BUT the problem arises when the creditor re-reports the account.

I currently have a juniper US Airways card, they don't report the limit, only the balance. I charged it up, the high balance stood for a while, but as the months went by, they just reported 0. I have a large 20k+ limit, so I am pissed it isn't being reported. I think the next step is obvious...

I have 2x disputed with the bureaus. Experian KNOWS what the true limit is, and they won't report it, but I've got the medicine for that.


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According to my PrivacyMatters reports, Citi's AA cards do not report high balance like Cap One cards do. They just report current balance. If this is indeed the case and not a screwup of PM, then the CapOne "trick" will not work on these cards.

Discussion on CreditBoards seems to support that Citi generally does not report High Balance on "no-limit" cards. Can anyone else verify?

EDIT: According to QuickSummary, someone has had High Balance report on PremierPass.


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StartingMoney said:

EDIT: According to QuickSummary, someone has had High Balance report on PremierPass.


That would be me, I will follow through with my credit report in a near future to see if that is still the case. So far my highest balance (from balance transfer) was what showed up, even as I was paying down the balance.


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After my USAirways World card reported to the bureaus without limit I contacted Juniper to ask them to report the full revolving limit. They informed me that they do report the limit to the and that should to contact the bureaus with my concerns. So, after contacting the bureaus and explaining the situation the end result was that both EX and TU started to report full revovling limit, but EQ refused and reports only the high balance.

My signature cards that report full revolving limit to all 3:
MBNA American Bar Association Visa Signature
Lexus Signature Visa
Bank of America Mercedes Benz Signature Visa

Signature card that does not report revolving limit:
Nordstrom Signature Visa.

Pre Fatwallet days I closed a Target Visa card. That card reported only the high balance on EQ, but the limit appeared on TU and EX.


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SUCKISSTAPLES said:Charge Cards requiring full payment each month (AM.EX charge cards and Diners Club charge card) also report "high balance" since there is technically no credit limit on a charge card (see here)This is no longer an issue with Diners Club since they don't report anything to the credit bureaus any more.


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I've posted this a couple of times, but I'll add my experience here. I have two Chase Visa Signature cards and neither of them were reporting the credit limit, just the high balance. I disputed them with Experian online and they were updated with the CLs on all three reports and are still reporting with the limit instead of the high balance. I've read that a few people have called Chase and asked them to report the credit limit and had success with that. Honestly I went with my Experian dispute because I was lazy and I figured it couldn't hurt to see if that would do the trick.


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This is no longer an issue with Diners Club since they don't report anything to the credit bureaus any more.

It looks like Diners are starting to report. My Diners Club account just showed up on Equifax (not showing on Experian or TransUnion)

Diners Club is reporting High Balance, not CL.
Citi AAdvantage MC World (Gold) is reporting High Balance, not CL.

Both of these cards have no pre-set limit.


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Does this mean that the time I went way over my credit limit (almost 2x) with Capital One means I now have double my real credit limit reporting? That's be funny, although probably not worth all the fees I paid from my screwup that lead to that situation. Maybe I'll have to check next time I've got a free credit report coming.


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My AMEX SPG reports high balance instead of credit limit.


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I was able to get all of my Visa Signature cards with no preset spending limit to report the credit limits. I have 3, and they're all with Chase. I simply called the credit department and requested that they report the limit to the credit bureaus. They did so without any hesitation, and it showed up on my credit reports within 3 weeks.


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NukeMedDude said:I was able to get all of my Visa Signature cards with no preset spending limit to report the credit limits. I have 3, and they're all with Chase. I simply called the credit department and requested that they report the limit to the credit bureaus. They did so without any hesitation, and it showed up on my credit reports within 3 weeks.

This is where I think a CRA dispute could be better than calling Chase, because mine was updated after approx a week. Of course I think that if you aren't in a hurry to get it done calling Chase would probably be your best bet.


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its simple really we should all just avoid these cards, if enough people do it they will change policy/go out of buisness i couldn't care less which one but with no active card they cant hurt you near as much... i hate cap one for a variety of diff reasons we can just add this to the list. any time a company cares so little about customers to let an automated system close my acct doesnt deserve one red cent of my hard earned money...


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While I tend to avoid companies that are known for rate jacking, I draw the line at this. You WILL report my limit, or you are going to feel some pain. All we need are a few lawsuits with actual damages of 20k or 50k for paying a higher interest rate on a mortgage because these moron CRA's didn't report your limit when they knew full well what it was.


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codename47 said:While I tend to avoid companies that are known for rate jacking, I draw the line at this. You WILL report my limit, or you are going to feel some pain. All we need are a few lawsuits with actual damages of 20k or 50k for paying a higher interest rate on a mortgage because these moron CRA's didn't report your limit when they knew full well what it was.

So does that mean you're thinking about suing them?


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Oh, there's no thinking about it. The CRA's are going to get tagged.


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codename47 said:Oh, there's no thinking about it. The CRA's are going to get tagged.

Can I get in on the action? Maybe we can make it a class action or something...


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I can show/tell you what I am doing. I prefer death from a thousand cuts to a class action, which is capped at 500k, and will probably result in the atty's taking most of that...assuming you can get a FCRA guy on board...and want to wait like 5 years...

Naah, I'm just going to put the personal touch on it, sue the company, and sue whomever dealt with my account.

This is really easy money, and seriously just about everyone in the country with a credit card could probably sue them.

#1 obtain copy of credit report (yes, paper copy)

#2 fire off disputes citing the real, proper limits for your cards, CMRRR

#3 wait 31 days for dispute results. MAKE 10 copies!!! place original in safe place!!! This is your money maker, when they "update" your report and take off your limit despite having verified the month earlier, THIS is the report you will refer to. This is the "before/after" thing you need to referance.

#4 wait another 30-45 days for the creditor to report and the bureaus to update.

#5 find a suitable catch phrase...I prefer "I'm Rick James!" other good ones include "I came here to chew bubble gum and whoop some butt, and I'm all out of bubble gum..."

#6 upon finding your credit report is updated (credit monitoring helps termendously here) Request another copy of your report, yes paper copy.

#7 Send off your summons with your suitable catch phrase across the top in bold font 40 size print.

Total time 60-90 days. Actual time spent by you: 2-3 hours, mostly spent writing up the complaint. As with most suits, your time is mainly spent waiting on the postman.


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codename47 said:I can show/tell you what I am doing. I prefer death from a thousand cuts to a class action, which is capped at 500k, and will probably result in the atty's taking most of that...assuming you can get a FCRA guy on board...and want to wait like 5 years...

Naah, I'm just going to put the personal touch on it, sue the company, and sue whomever dealt with my account.

This is really easy money, and seriously just about everyone in the country with a credit card could probably sue them.

#1 obtain copy of credit report (yes, paper copy)

#2 fire off disputes citing the real, proper limits for your cards, CMRRR

#3 wait 31 days for dispute results. MAKE 10 copies!!! place original in safe place!!! This is your money maker, when they "update" your report and take off your limit despite having verified the month earlier, THIS is the report you will refer to. This is the "before/after" thing you need to referance.

#4 wait another 30-45 days for the creditor to report and the bureaus to update.

#5 find a suitable catch phrase...I prefer "I'm Rick James!" other good ones include "I came here to chew bubble gum and whoop some butt, and I'm all out of bubble gum..."

#6 upon finding your credit report is updated (credit monitoring helps termendously here) Request another copy of your report, yes paper copy.

#7 Send off your summons with your suitable catch phrase across the top in bold font 40 size print.

Total time 60-90 days. Actual time spent by you: 2-3 hours, mostly spent writing up the complaint. As with most suits, your time is mainly spent waiting on the postman.


If they update it, how are you going to have a case any more?


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