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DWebb
- New Member
posted: Sep. 11, 2006 @ 4:11p
Believe me, we've tried. I have scoured the internet looking for organizations that I could join that would offer group insurance for my family, but to no avail. The few leads I'm followed up on fizzled i.e., they didn't offer it anymore, they only offered it to members in the northeast,California, etc or it was no cheaper than what I now pay. However, getting group insurance through an organization has its downside as well. When I lived in NYC joined some business group (can't remember the name now)that offered health insurance. Then, all of a sudden, with very little notice, it was cancelled for the whole group and I was left to find other coverage. |
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ThursdaysChild
- Grumpy Member
posted: Sep. 11, 2006 @ 5:45p
Interesting article about HSAs from Motley Fool via Yahoo! News.
Edit: And another perhaps more relevant article from Kiplinger's Personal Finance titled "When Health Insurance is Hard to Get" that has suggestions and links for finding individual policies for hard-to-insure people. |
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eyeluvtrget
- Senior Member
posted: Sep. 13, 2006 @ 5:29p
people didnt really listen to me when i said enrolling in a college can be an option. Look at the below,Arizona State University as an example: ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Campus Health Service » Insurance Health Insurance Information In cooperation with Arizona Board of Regents and Campus Health Service, ASU sponsors an affordable policy in which students may enroll. The Health Insurance Office is located in the Health Service Building to handle questions about this policy.
For students who carry insurance but may have high deductibles or are "out of network," Campus Health Service offers an affordable program, the Bridge Plan, which discounts some medical visits, laboratory tests, and x-rays.
ASU Student Health Insurance Eligibility Undergraduates: Enrolled in a program of study. 7 credit hours. Graduates: Enrolled in a graduate program and taking at least 1 class in a program of study. Non-degree, 9 credit hours. Teacher Certification Graduates: Active in professional program taking at least 1 class in a program of study.
United HealthCare for Students The summary of benefits for the Student Health Insurance product offered through UnitedHealth, details specific to the plan. For information about the enrollment please come to the Health Service Building or E-mail us at insurance@asu.edu . Rates for Fall Semester August 16, 2006 - January 15, 2007 Student $527 Student and Spouse $2,067 Student and Children $1,843 Student, Spouse and Children $2,729 Rates for Spring Semester January 16, 2007 to August 15, 2007 Student $737 Student and Spouse $2,894 Student and Children $2,580 Student, Spouse and Children $3,820 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So CollegeCredit Cost+insurance= $2,345+$737=$3,082 $2,345+$2,894=$5,239 $2,345+$3,820=$6,165
You don't have to enroll in hard courses or even go to campus.Take classes that are easy or interesting and take them online. Insurance Benifits |
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Susannah
- Senior Member
posted: Sep. 13, 2006 @ 6:07p
MarketVViz said:1) If you are healthy, start with a very low cost individual insurance policy (ehealthinsurance.com, and goldenrule.com seem to be the best internet places to start your search). You buy this policy knowing full well that if your health deteriorates you will be changing policies.
2) If your health deteriorates, sometime before your premium is jacked up, plan on joining a group policy though a professional association (see the thread linked above) or your local chamber of commerce.
I don't think this would work because if you have a condition upon joining a group policy covered under HIPAA, and you haven't been covered under a HIPAA governed policy within the past 61 days, they can put a pre-existing condition on you. Guess you'd just have to pay for double coverage until they lift the preexisting condition on your new group policy. |
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Susannah
- Senior Member
posted: Sep. 13, 2006 @ 6:10p
Has anybody looked at getting coverage from the National Association for the Self-Employed? Seems easy to join, but I don't know if their policies are true group policies governed by HIPAA.
This site also lists some other organizations for the self-employed, and also offers some other interesting tips:
Link |
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palici
- Senior Member
posted: Sep. 26, 2006 @ 10:41a
SUCKISSTAPLES said:vampyr said: I've no solutions- this is just a warning so that you know what individual health insurance, in fact, is (and isn't). These health plans are insurance plans for when you're healthy, and that's it.
Ive never heard of this "death spiral" before, but it makes perfect sense. Green for you, OP.
Might one suggestion /solution for people buying their own, is to form their own business and get their OWN business health coverage? I think some insurers accept companies with as few as 2 employees.My limited research on this, SUCK, has shown me that many 'small business' plans allow you to insure all but the owner. A way around this, however, might be to list only a husband or wife as the 'owner' and then for the owner to 'employ' the spouse who would be eligible for coverage. Anyway, GREEN for the OP!  |
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peteo
- Broke Member
posted: Nov. 24, 2006 @ 3:40p
eyeluvtrget said:people didnt really listen to me when i said enrolling in a college can be an option. Thanks for the suggestion. I will look into this as well. And green to OP (no wonder my wife's health insurance plan suddenly disappeared and she was switched to another plan after three years = HealthNet). |
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captainlynne
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 24, 2006 @ 4:54p
I just enrolled in Blue Cross Blue Options plan 2 which has a $1500 deductible. Cost for me is $267 a month in Florida. I'm self-employed and have been without insurance for most of my adult life. I thought it would cost me a lot more but this is one of their new plans (at least in Fla) and the previous plan I was considering was $2500 deductible for $310 a month. Its a very comprehensive plan with pretty much the normal costs for prescription drugs and copay so its not some budget insurance coverage. It might be worth checking out and getting a quote if you are self-employed. |
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fatterwallet06
- Member
posted: Nov. 29, 2006 @ 9:33p
Susannah said:Update: I just checked and it seems IEEE is "not currently accepting applications" for their group comprehensive plan.
from http://www.personal-plans.com/product/ieeeinsurance/ http://www.personal-plans.com/ieeeinsurance/lite/benefits/plan.do?planID=4024
IEEE HealthCare Insurance Resource Site Regions 1 through 6 Beginning January 1, 2007 significant changes to the plan will be enacted; including, but not limited to plan eligibility restrictions for individuals who are Medicare® eligible, higher deductibles, benefit limitations, a new maximum plan benefit, and note that the plan will no longer be accepting new enrollees. |
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mshen11
- Tired Member
posted: Nov. 30, 2006 @ 7:29a
does that mean IEEE applications are still available for december? doesnt sound like it but want to make sure. |
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calwatch
- Senior Member
posted: Jan. 30, 2007 @ 11:58p
To answer the questions about group health insurance, ASCE (civil) still has group health insurance offered under New York Life. As expected, premiums are high and can be up to 50% higher than listed if you are placed in a poor rate classification, however, you cannot be turned down. Lifetime maximum is $1 million. For example, the base rate for a $5000 deductible plan is $315 a month at my age range, compared to $48 a month for a $2500 deductible plan from Blue Cross (pulled from my junk mail today). The ASCE plan is HSA compatible. As far as I know any ASCE "member" is eligible, which means either the equivalent in another engineering society (like IEEE) or being a licensed engineer or land surveyor. I don't think associate or affiliate members are eligible.
Link: http://www.personal-plans.com/product/asceinsurance/ |
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boomp
- Senior Member
posted: Feb. 5, 2007 @ 2:35p
Wow, my $5k deductible just went up 37% to $2311.19 a year ! Went up 20% last year. Is the death spiral starting for me or are health care costs rising that fast? If I didn't have pre-existing conditions to consider I'd shop around. |
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mshen11
- Tired Member
posted: Feb. 5, 2007 @ 3:38p
my Aetna HSA went up over 20% this year (perfect health, no claims) |
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xoneinax
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Feb. 5, 2007 @ 3:38p
Your pre-existing conditions are the reason for the increases. |
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boomp
- Senior Member
posted: Feb. 6, 2007 @ 11:48a
xoneinax said:Your pre-existing conditions are the reason for the increases.
No, pre-existing conditions could not be the reason for the increases. I have never had a claim. I have only asked the claims department what they would pay if I was to get treatment for a pre-existing condition. |
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FlyingBoat
- Member
posted: Feb. 14, 2007 @ 1:29p
MarketVViz said:
What I'd be really interested in was some type of "healthy lifestyle" group plan for people of a targeted low risk category. So far, the only thing I've been able to find that is even remotely like this are the "Medical Sharing" plans that aren't insurance, more like an insurance alternative. One that I might consider is Christian Care MediShare but I haven't done the research yet so I don't know the problems or pitfalls of such a thing.
I paid into Medishare for 2 years and have my first claim into them, which they are denying due to it being a pre-existing condition. Be warned! When I applied with all my medical history they sent an exclusion page listing the different things for each in our family that won't be covered. The item they are not covering is not on the list! They didn't cover a kidney stone for me because I had one 13 years earlier! The earlier incident was on my application. They said the list of not covered items is a courtesy but that basically anything I have ever seen a doctor for before is not covered! |
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Prncsnyc
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Mar. 5, 2007 @ 5:04p
I was just denied coverage through Blue Cross/Blue Shield because of medication taken for a back injury. I was told I could apply for MRMIP at $430.00 a month. That is almost half my rent. I figured they wouldn't cover the pre-existing condition...I never thought I would be flat-out denied.
So what happens to people who can't get insured bc of pre-existing conditions, when they want to start a family? They go bankrupt from the hospital fees? |
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mshen11
- Tired Member
posted: Mar. 5, 2007 @ 6:37p
do individual plans like aetna and bluecross experience death spirals? they seem to be taking on new members and have increases every year.
if i am wrong.. how do i 'drop' my current plan and get something for cheaper? |
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boomp
- Senior Member
posted: Mar. 5, 2007 @ 9:18p
mshen11 said:do individual plans like aetna and bluecross experience death spirals? they seem to be taking on new members and have increases every year.
if i am wrong.. how do i 'drop' my current plan and get something for cheaper? Hi mshen11, Don't drop your current plan until you have found new coverage. Most important: The new coverage probably won't cover any prexisting conditions so you are stuck with your current provider. If you have any prexisting (even something like medication taken for a back injury like Prncsnyc)you might not be able to get new coverage at any price. Talk to your state insurance regulator for ideas and possible ways to shop around. |
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yurgreat
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Mar. 14, 2007 @ 1:41a
Segfault said:See Georgetown University's information on health insurance: http://www.healthinsuranceinfo.net/
Health insurance regulations are highly state-specific. In my state, individual health insurance has guaranteed renewability, and the state limits the amount insurers can surcharge due to a person's health condition.
In VA:
• Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield and CareFirst Blue Cross Blue Shield will sell individual health insurance to any Virginia resident regardless of health status. Where you live will decide which company you buy insurance from. CareFirst serves northern Virginia, and Anthem serves other parts of the state. Policies you get from these companies may be expensive.
===> Interesting... ehealthinsurance.com tells me that the 3 best selling plans in my region belong to Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield.
Best plan = Keycare Preferred ($199/month) Plan=ppo, Deductible=$300 (Labwork only, no deductible for doctor visit), Coinsurance=20% (lab work only), Office Visit co-pay = $20 for pcp, $30 for specialist This does look like the optimum plan for top coverage out of the list ehealthinsurance provided.
WHAT CAN I BE CHARGED FOR INDIVIDUAL HEALTH COVERAGE? • If you have an expensive health condition, your individual health insurance premiums may be very high. The law does not prohibit Virginia health insurers from charging you more because of your health status.
In addition, when you renew your individual coverage, your premiums can increase substantially as you age or if your health declines.
===> wow.. if i develop cancer 1yr 1 month after i join the Keycare Preferred group, i can be charged more even though i'm part of a group policy!? How much more? |
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