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http://www.amtrustdirect.com/


Hard credit inquiry.

$1,000 to open.

Fund account by mailing check or ACH transfer.

Up to 7 business days hold for initial deposit, future deposits have 2-3 days for out of state checks and no hold for ACH transfers.

No minimium balance or monthly fees.

$1+ to earn interest.

Maximum of 6 external linked accounts.

2 business days to transfer money out.

Free one-time or recurring transfers into or out of your account.

Maximum of 6 withdrawals.

Withdrawals limited to $100,000 per day and $2,500,000 per month.

Interest credited monthly.

Paper statements monthly.


Routing number: 122187212


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Hard Pull


thanks. which bureau?


opmnxtc said: thanks. which bureau?
The pull was from Equifax when I did a CD with them last last year, Had heard they stopped doing pulls but according to Banking at Bank Deals they are still doing them
AmTrustDirect Raises e-Money Market Account Rate to 5.26%

AmTrustDirect just raised the rate of its e-Money Market account from 5.15% to 5.26% APY. The APY applies to balances of $1 and higher. There are no minimum balance requirements, however, there is a minimum initial deposit requirement of $1,000. This is a new savings account that I first reported on in an August. It seems to have many nice features such as ACH transfer capability. Some of the drawbacks include no ATM card or check writing. Also, there may be a hard credit pull. Refer to my August post for more information about this account.

There was also a minor CD rate change at AmTrustDirect. The 12-month rate went from 5.68% to 5.60% APY. Other rates remain the same. Their longer term CD rates had already fallen from 5.68% to 5.50% over the last few weeks which was similar to the rate drops seen at many other banks. In July I was told that they ended the practice of pulling hard credit pulls for CD applications. However, a reader just informed me that there was a hard credit pull made on his Equifax credit report after he had opened a CD. So you should probably assume that a hard credit pull will be done. I'm looking into this to see if that is the official policy.


skimmed through the FAQs:

Are there any eligibility requirements to open an AmTrust Direct account?

...AmTrust verifies identification and submits new account applications to a Credit Bureau background check...


Hard pull on EQ here as well, under 'Ohio Savings Bank'


Opened account a few days ago. They never took out funds yet. Guess it will take a few days before I hear back from them. Havent heard anything back nor seen my money taken out.

Ohio Savings Bank is a very reputable big money bank so I am not worried. AmTrust is BIG down in Florida and has huge assets. It also owns branches elsewhere with both the AmTrust and Ohio Savings name.


ajulius said: Opened account a few days ago. They never took out funds yet. Guess it will take a few days before I hear back from them. Havent heard anything back nor seen my money taken out.

Ohio Savings Bank is a very reputable big money bank so I am not worried. AmTrust is BIG down in Florida and has huge assets. It also owns branches elsewhere with both the AmTrust and Ohio Savings name.

I applied on Friday. Credit Pull was dated saturday. ACH pull is showing temp on my Citi e-savings as of today (this is a def + compared to Amboy and Emigrant - it is fully allowed to do ACH with savings accounts). Sounds like they are pretty quick at it.

I guess I'll have to wait for my letter from them with login info.


Well the way I have it is a local high rate savings account linked to checking as well as the Amtrustdirect linked to the savings account as well.


Any idea if this rate is tied to the MFR?


For those looking for login info:

I got an email today thanking me for signing up for net banking. I didn't have my userid yet, so I gave them a call with the # in the email.

The rep said they have been absolutally overwhelmed with the signups from this new promo, that it was larger than anyone ever expected it to be. Guess there is some power in rate chasers.

Anyways, she said my login won't work til Friday at the earliest, and most likely not until Monday because they are so far behind, but she went ahead and told me my login anyways, so of course I tried it right away (and it works).
UserID:<9 digit ssn>
Password:<last 4 of social><5 digit zipcode>

The account shows up as "checking", but it does show my initial deposit, however it shows it as being on hold for some reason (not avilable yet, doesn't actually say hold, but avil bal is $0 and Current Bal is $1000).

They use the same billpay system UFB uses (with "Money HQ" account aggregation), but they use it for account balances as well.

BIG NOTE: BECAUSE IT SHOWS AS CHECKING, IT IS LETTING ME USE BILL PAY!
I can't actually send a billpay yet, as I have $0 avilable balance, but i was able to add billers and start to make a payment.


the rep told me the initial deposit can have up to 7 business days hold. for future deposits, out of state checks can have 2-3 days, and ACH transfers have no hold.


The global brain works quite nicely since all of us are thinking the same things.

UFBDirect is 5.27% while the Las Vegas bank went down to 5.20%.

AmtrustDirect is a VERY stable bank and even for .01 difference I would still choose it over UFBDirect and AmtrustDirect could be higher over the yield curve as well for the year. We all made a wise choice with AmtrustDirect over the others.


Are we limited to 6 billpays because it is a money market account?

Also what is weird is I was supposed to get a validation email and I never got it yet. Will see if it hits my mailbox otherwise I will call up the bank.


ajulius said: Are we limited to 6 billpays because it is a money market account?
I'd assume so - they don't even advertise the billpay for the e-money market, only for their B&M moneymarket, where it says you are limited to 6 debits a month (or something of that nature).

Maybe its just a screwup that they created the accounts as checking? Who knows. If it sticks this could be a great account to have, though.


Just got the validation email. Seems like it was delayed.


ajulius said: Just got the validation email. Seems like it was delayed.
I didn't try. I prefer Yodlee. I've tried UFB's MoneyHQ and didn't care for it at all.


Well, ajulius, guess it's time to dump your HSBC account, now that you found someone to give you an extra .21% of APY

Me, i will stay with my nice 5% at WAMU.....not a rate chaser like some of you FW fanatics....as long as WAMU stays "in range" (and i am sure they will)....it's just not worth fussing over....but, to each his own!


craig10x said: Well, ajulius, guess it's time to dump your HSBC account, now that you found someone to give you an extra .21% of APY

Me, i will stay with my nice 5% at WAMU.....not a rate chaser like some of you FW fanatics....as long as WAMU stays "in range" (and i am sure they will)....it's just not worth fussing over....but, to each his own!


As much as I mock him for rate-chasing, when its new money I don't really see any reason not to (since I have no Wamu, Citi, nor HSBC ATM/branch local).


I prefer Yodlee too actually and my account is with Yodlee (my local accounts). But, I was under the impression you had to use the MoneyHQ to transfer funds.

Seems like with AmtrustDirect you have 2 funding options, one is directly with Amtrustdirect and its in a different part of the website and also does higher transfer limits than using MoneyHQ.

What is weird is that my account that I used with Amtrustdirect to fund initially is not there so I have to add that again with trial deposits.

AmtrustDirect is MUCH better than EmigrantDirect and with a higher rate to boot as well as flexibility to add linked accounts without mailing in cancelled checks.


Xeon852 said: craig10x said: Well, ajulius, guess it's time to dump your HSBC account, now that you found someone to give you an extra .21% of APY

Me, i will stay with my nice 5% at WAMU.....not a rate chaser like some of you FW fanatics....as long as WAMU stays "in range" (and i am sure they will)....it's just not worth fussing over....but, to each his own!


As much as I mock him for rate-chasing, when its new money I don't really see any reason not to (since I have no Wamu, Citi, nor HSBC ATM/branch local).


LOL..well, then i don't blame you....in your case, since you don't have WAMU/CITI/HSBC in your area, might as well go for the highest....Actually, with Amboy i was getting a bit more (5.25%) and with WAMU it's 5%....but since i have plenty of WAMUs where i am, i liked the convenience/flexibility factor of having a local bank, free checking, nice online banking and a good bill pay directly hooked up to a high yield account...so i went for it! Otherwise, i would have probably looked into Amtrust, myself....Amboy is quite good...but they only let you add 1 ach link...and if you change it, you have to mail them a voided check....so, this sounds a bit better...


craig10x said: Xeon852 said: craig10x said: Well, ajulius, guess it's time to dump your HSBC account, now that you found someone to give you an extra .21% of APY

Me, i will stay with my nice 5% at WAMU.....not a rate chaser like some of you FW fanatics....as long as WAMU stays "in range" (and i am sure they will)....it's just not worth fussing over....but, to each his own!


As much as I mock him for rate-chasing, when its new money I don't really see any reason not to (since I have no Wamu, Citi, nor HSBC ATM/branch local).


LOL..well, then i don't blame you....in your case, since you don't have WAMU/CITI/HSBC in your area, might as well go for the highest....Actually, with Amboy i was getting a bit more (5.25%) and with WAMU it's 5%....but since i have plenty of WAMUs where i am, i liked the convenience/flexibility factor of having a local bank, free checking, nice online banking and a good bill pay directly hooked up to a high yield account...so i went for it! Otherwise, i would have probably looked into Amtrust, myself....Amboy is quite good...but they only let you add 1 ach link...and if you change it, you have to mail them a voided check....so, this sounds a bit better...


That is why I chose HSBC as my local bank. So now I get the best of both worlds. HSBC + AmtrustDirect. I was using EmigrantDirect but will close out the account in all likelyhood.


Amtrust locked me out of the account for 20 minutes. Says account is unavailable and to log in again in 20 minutes.

I added Amtrust to my Yodlee account and now this.


"That is why I chose HSBC as my local bank. So now I get the best of both worlds. HSBC + AmtrustDirect. I was using EmigrantDirect but will close out the account in all likelyhood."

Amtrust looks quite appealing...i'm familar with them because i see their branches when i visit my dad in south florida...i do like the multi-links factor over Amboy....although, as i said, other then that Amboy was quite good to me....and i liked them better then Emigrant (which i had quite a while ago...in fact, it was the first high yield account i ever had)....

For me, though, i like to "keep it lean" i try to go the simplicity route whenever possible...which is why i like the Wamu package so much....But, i do round it out with my TD Banknorth NO ATM FEES debit/atm card....to give me that free ATM flexibility "edge"....


craig10x said: Amtrust looks quite appealing...i'm familar with them because i see their branches when i visit my dad in south florida...i do like the multi-links factor over Amboy....although, as i said, other then that Amboy was quite good to me....and i liked them better then Emigrant (which i had quite a while ago...in fact, it was the first high yield account i ever had)....

The hard credit pull does hurt a bit though. I just finished a small AOR, so I don't mind the hit, but other times I think I would.


My deposit cleared today, which would be normal for a 3-day ACH started on Monday. Hopefully future deposits will be quicker.

ajulius: Have you tried doing transfers through MoneyHQ? I was just setting stuff up using their system that you get to by clicking the "external transfer" button. Does MoneyHQ allow unlimited accounts?

I just did a billpay to myself, and it seems to have gone through (account was debited by the ammount).


Curious as to those who have opened if you got the hard pull? Called and was told a pull may or may not be done. At first I was not going to open because of that but have pretty much run out of good bank options and needed to find a bank quick. Am hoping since I had a CD with them in the past they will still have my info so no pull needed. I did application last night and funded immediately and always get a little nervous of my $100k floating around in the black hole of cyberspace as I still had no e-mail confirming my application. Then found it in my spam folder.


you will get an equifax hard pull.

money hq has fees, external transfer button is free.


Beware - apparently their external transfer SW does not suuport 13 digit account numbers. All of my Wachovia accounts have 13 digits. I have tried 2 accounts, have not received the test deposits (1.5 weeks for one account now) and the account table is missing the last digit of the Wachovia account number. I called about this and the CSR said they would refer it to the IT department. They took my home number, but I have heard nothing. I emailed and have heard nothing. Works fine with my Bank of America accounts. Waiting for the test deposits to link to some of my other online direct accounts. Problem is my primary checking account is at Wachovia !!!


Xeon852 said: My deposit cleared today, which would be normal for a 3-day ACH started on Monday. Hopefully future deposits will be quicker.

ajulius: Have you tried doing transfers through MoneyHQ? I was just setting stuff up using their system that you get to by clicking the "external transfer" button. Does MoneyHQ allow unlimited accounts?

I just did a billpay to myself, and it seems to have gone through (account was debited by the ammount).


MoneyHQ does NOT appear to be the way to go. Use the external transfer mechanism. I think the MoneyHQ transactions could take longer and/or have fund limitations or something, I am not sure.

AmTrust uses the ORCC interface which is one of the better interfaces for online banks. Much better than EmigrantDirect's interface. HSBC comes with Yodlee which is quite good, but its system has some limitations as opposed to ORCC.

I will use Yodlee over MoneyHQ as it is much nicer.


I just applied for the AmTrust account. We'll see how it goes... +G


The problem with the 13 digit account numbers has been fixed.


Amtrust comes with ALOT for 5.26%.

Is this account limited to 6 billpays a month?


ajulius said: Amtrust comes with ALOT for 5.26%.

Is this account limited to 6 billpays a month?

Yes, It is very clearly stated. You should never do more than 6 with any bank. It is a Federal Rule and banks cannot do different. Have seen a few times here where people have been charged fees or had accounts closed for going over 6

External Funds Transfer
Set-up external bank account(s) and transfer funds to and from your AmTrust Direct e-Money Market account and accounts held at other financial institutions.
Maximum of six (6) external transfers per statement cycle


Two newbie questions -

Why is hard pull such a bad thing?

What is ACH?

Thanks.


Why does their site say rates are at 4.50%?


That is why I have local account, to go over the 6 as it can be used for unlimited transfers at the atm with a slight rate loss (5.05 vs 5.26). Since Amtrustdirect is not local and doesnt use ATM card, cant do that with this account so I will continue as I already do to use both. Thats a linked checking with savings at the same bank with the savings linked to this savings account. Have to maximize that rate and keep ATM funds in tow.


www.amtrustdirect.com, not www.amtrust.com. Same bank, one is the online divison which has higher rates.

If I log into my account it correctly gives the higher rates. Oddly enough I did NOT receive a welcome packet yet in the mail even though I can log in and everything is fine.


opmnxtc said: you will get an equifax hard pull.

money hq has fees, external transfer button is free.

Been 3 days since they pulled my funding deposit and no inquiry, so looks like they don't do them every time


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Am I seeing this correctly, the E-Money Market Account is up to 2.75%?




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