hes a fool. there are ways to minimize the expenses. IF he didnt have 7 cars and leaving the Chicago house with its mortgage vacant it would help, and strategic cutting down in other areas would let him afford it
codename47
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 10:04p
Stupid is as stupid does.
There are minor complaints: The lights in the great room are going out one by one because the lamps that hang from the ceiling are so high, they'd need scaffolding to change the bulbs. Seriously, they have these telescoping bulb changers you can get at WalMart or Home depot for like 10-20 bucks. Install CFL bulbs, and you repeat the drill every 7-10 years.
Don, 41, and Shelly, 38, have never slept in the master bedroom--it's too secluded. At night, Don obsessively checks a live video feed of Donald's room, two floors away from the bedroom they occupy, to make sure his son is okay. For the record, their son is 10!!! This isn't a newborn, and he needs checking?
Further, obsession is a good word, because *I* know I'd be doing something other than looking at a live video screen at night with my wife next to me. Some people might have problems finding something more exciting to do, though...
The biggest problem, though, is that the Cruz family can't afford their new bounty. Don, a stay-at-home dad, and Shelly, an administrative assistant who's gone back to school to become an accountant, are quickly running through their winnings as they struggle to pay thousands a month for electricity, household help and other outsize bills for their outsize home. No, their biggest problem is that they are stupid, and stupid people + lots of money = bad situation. 250k, free mansion, free luxury SUV, and you just can't make it?
Stay at home dad??? Are you kidding me? The wife is an admin assistant, so you know she isn't making much. Their kid is 10!!! 10!! Not a newborn that needs diapers and formula. He is in school most of the day, so what IS dad doing? Dad is staying at home, and now they need to hire household help???? Why?? Thousands a month in electricity?? Why??? No way, not in Texas.
Living expenses drained the settlement as well as $20,000 the Cruzes had saved for renovations. They must hang out with Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson to run through 120k for living expenses.
In the 10 years that HGTV has run the contest, the Cruzes are the only winners who've chosen to live in the Dream Home.
Most of the rest sold, happily pocketing the cash. The Cruzes say they too had offers, for millions. But as soon as Don saw the house, he was determined to find a way to make it home.
Translation: I'm stupid, and I don't even know it. Two million for my house? Naah, I'll pass.
Still, Don figured, they'd be okay. After all, they had the $250,000 in cash that they'd won with the house. "We were used to living on $40,000 a year," says Don. "I thought we'd be able to live on the prize money for a few years at least." What is that 6 years roughly? We'll just hang out for 6 years with no plan, while I stay at home on my duff. Sounds like some of these 401k types "What? You mean I was supposed to plan for my retirement??"
Upkeep is $2,900 a month. Homeowners insurance runs $7,000 annually. The insurance and gas bill on the Cruz fleet (they own seven vehicles, including the SUV they won in the contest) costs $1,000 a month. That's on top of the $1,000-a-month mortgage payment for the Batavia house, which they've kept, just in case. $2,900 on what? That is a mortgage for an AWESOME home just about anywhere else, and they are spending that to keep the place standing? I doubt the home owners cost. 7k is a lot. REALLY REALLY a lot. All that pales in comparison to the lunacy of owning SEVEN vehicles, though!!! Finally, why have one house you can't afford when you can have, two?
They've donated $40,000 to charity. That they'll soon be the recipients of...
But Blankenship cautions that Cruz will need more money than he thinks since inflation will sharply erode the purchasing power of his portfolio over the next 20 to 40 years. What you say? Putting money in CD's ISN'T safe? Maybe I wasn't crazy after all. Heck, they might even have to buy stocks...
Whatever the Cruzes make from selling the house, Blankenship urges them to shoot for higher returns by spreading their money among a number of investments rather than putting the entire portfolio into CDs. Egads! He said it again!
jack07002
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 10:15p
On top of that, they had to take out a loan to pay off a $672,000 tax bill on their winnings.
$672,000 Tax bill......that they had to take out a 1 million dollor loan to pay off....as well as cover other expenses
Most people will never have to worry about the unexpected fallout from what looked to be a huge windfall. But like the Cruzes, millions of Americans may soon find themselves struggling to pay the bills for a house that's bigger than they really need and suddenly more expensive than they can afford.
Blame the strain of gigantism that has crept into U.S. home design, as well as rising interest rates and the expiration of low-rate introductory periods on popular adjustable-rate loans.
Economy.com estimates that at least 1 million homeowners will see their house payments double in the next two years. A study by First American Corp. suggests that one in seven who have recently taken out adjustable-rate mortgages will have trouble making their payments.
i read this when it first came out on Money. Dumb is an understatement. a family of 3 people (only two of which are old enough to drive) needing 7 cars. hey, they deserve what's coming to them.
xpguy
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 10:20p
same as winning the lottery and then going bankrupt a few years later.
i should really read the whole article before posting..
frootmall
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 10:23p
codename47 said: Stupid is as stupid does. Don, 41, and Shelly, 38, have never slept in the master bedroom--it's too secluded. At night, Don obsessively checks a live video feed of Donald's room, two floors away from the bedroom they occupy, to make sure his son is okay. For the record, their son is 10!!! This isn't a newborn, and he needs checking? I also hope they are saving up for the therapist's bills. A kid who is being kept under constant video surveillance by his parents is probably going to grow up with a lot of issues.
jack07002
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 10:25p
SPREAD THE WEALTH Whatever the Cruzes make from selling the house, Blankenship urges them to shoot for higher returns by spreading their money among a number of investments rather than putting the entire portfolio into CDs.
somehow I get the feeling that CD's would be better for them..keep things simple for them..I really can't see with their great handling of money,from what we read above,that investing in the stock market would prove any better result.
I am waiting for the opinions of HELOC guys on this.
MarkM
Tired Member
posted: Oct. 8, 2006 @ 11:27p
SUCKISSTAPLES said: hes a fool. there are ways to minimize the expenses. IF he didnt have 7 cars and leaving the Chicago house with its mortgage vacant it would help, and strategic cutting down in other areas would let him afford iti have to agree. reading about these plus the $2k dog run & $5k xmas and $11k boat repairs and $1800 go kdart, etc, plsu trying to sell a house for 5.5m that RE agents say is worth $2.5m tops, made me despise rather than pity them. These people aren't hourse poor really, their primary problem is much larger than that.
MarkM said: i have to agree. reading about these plus the $2k dog run & $5k xmas and $11k boat repairs and $1800 go kdart, etc, plsu trying to sell a house for 5.5m that RE agents say is worth $2.5m tops, made me despise rather than pity them. These people aren't hourse poor really, their primary problem is much larger than that.
Sad to think that there are so many people like them that just live for the moment. Whether it's a few grand or a few million. They just manage to blow it all in about a year's time. Their son will most likely grow up inheriting their value and the cycle starts all over again. How are we ever gonna beat some sense into their head?
I know, petition for some type of mandatory basic finance class in high school. You pass if you can write a check legibly and know how to use a calculator such as those tools that show you how much you are paying for your neg. amort. mortgage.
kalango
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 1:05a
Once you trained yourself to live like a "poor man" ... no money in the world will make you rich!
Renovating their old house is a priority once they get back to Illinois. They want hardwood floors, wall paneling and a hot tub.
Some people just never learn ...
sprintuser
Greedy Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 3:43a
"The upshot: The Cruzes have just $36,000 left from their winnings. What's more, to pay off the tax bill, as well as cover other expenses, they had taken out a $1 million loan. Monthly payments on it are around $8,000. They won't be able to pay it off in full until they sell the house.
It was when Don first got the tax bill that he knew that the dream was over. With no viable plan to pay for the upkeep on the house, let alone the tax bill, there was only one solution.
That night he huddled in the great room with his wife and son, knees touching, and told them they'd have to sell. Donald asked why. But when he saw his father crying, he stopped asking. The next day, they put the Dream Home up for sale."
piesnob
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 4:52a
No one made them move there. They should have sold it.
ArbolLoco
Tired Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 5:16a
b534202 said: Renovating their old house is a priority once they get back to Illinois. They want hardwood floors, wall paneling and a hot tub.
"Hi, I'm long time lurker, first time poster, I want to do something really stupid, and instead of heeding the advice here, I'm hoping there is someone that will validate my stupid decisions for me."
Here's an earlier article where the guy is quoted as saying "We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out."
talljay said: Here's an earlier article where the guy is quoted as saying "We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out."
Didn't work for me either the last fews times I've played the lotto.
stupidfool
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 9:29a
didn't he say he has like 1000 a month for the upkeep of the cars.
those all have got to be suvs since they probably drive a different car around the house.
talljay said: Here's an earlier article where the guy is quoted as saying "We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out."
LOL That's priceless if truly a quote. That was about the extent of his financial planning for the house.
Whatever you say, natural selection isn't completely gone. The dumb are still gonna end up at the bottom of the totem pole no matter what fortune is handed to them.
Like C47 said, stupid is as stupid does. For one, I'm glad to see they got what they deserved for being so stupid (and lazy).
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 9:59a
talljay said: Here's an earlier article where the guy is quoted as saying "We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out."That's why you have to be so careful about praying...Satan can hear you just as well as God can.
"I feel like I'm looking at someone else's house - this can't possibly be ours," Shelly said.
Don't get comfortable...
On a lighter note, maybe Shelly should reconsider her choice of major:
Don, a stay-at-home dad, and Shelly, an administrative assistant who's gone back to school to become an accountant, are quickly running through their winnings as they struggle to pay thousands a month for electricity, household help and other outsize bills for their outsize home.
tooshy
Frivolous Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 11:03a
It doesn't surprise me that many Americans don't understand basic finance.
Click on the August 2006 article in the series (scroll to the bottom):
In the first quarter of 2006, Freddie Mac data showed that 88% of refinancing was equity take-out refinancing, which is about the highest it’s ever been. Even more interesting, and something we’ve never seen before, was the fact that in more than 50% of the equity take-out refinancings, the homeowner refinanced into a higher rate to take out equity. So people continue to literally use their houses as an ATM machine.
This does not sound very responsible to me....taking out equity by refinancing at a higher rate.
I'd like to see what happens after banks tighten lending guidelines....will Americans seek private high interest rate loans like prosper.com?
swantz84
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 12:33p
Just because he he can't kneel doesn't mean he can't work. There are plenty of jobs that don't require labor by bending over. I guess he couldn't fulfill his dream job of picking up men on the side of the road by bending over into their car window and asking them if they need a hot date.
He must walk around all day with the lights on and when his son comes home......he prolly just stares at him all day and night.
Bunch of losers and I am sure we will all feel the affects once his son goes on some killing spree because of a crazy childhood.
ronman
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 12:47p
wow, these people are the DUMBEST people. As a former financial planner, I have seen people do some stupid stuff before but nothing as dumb (why is fatwallet not letting me put an "as" here) these people. I have never said this before, but I hope these people lose everything. Greed has no limits (and neither does stupidity)
ronman
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 12:48p
Hahaha.... true... I sure as heck dont want her crunching my payroll or taxes! hahaha
Dus10 said: "I feel like I'm looking at someone else's house - this can't possibly be ours," Shelly said.
Don't get comfortable...
On a lighter note, maybe Shelly should reconsider her choice of major:
Don, a stay-at-home dad, and Shelly, an administrative assistant who's gone back to school to become an accountant, are quickly running through their winnings as they struggle to pay thousands a month for electricity, household help and other outsize bills for their outsize home.
sprintuser
Greedy Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 12:57p
swantz84 said: Just because he he can't kneel doesn't mean he can't work. There are plenty of jobs that don't require labor by bending over. I guess he couldn't fulfill his dream job of picking up men on the side of the road by bending over into their car window and asking them if they need a hot date.
He must walk around all day with the lights on and when his son comes home......he prolly just stares at him all day and night.
Bunch of losers and I am sure we will all feel the affects once his son goes on some killing spree because of a crazy childhood.
rofl
pretty obvious ol Don here just wants to sit on his butt all day, stay at home dad my petootie.
kronus
Ancient Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 2:30p
From the couch, Don can cast his fishing pole while he watches TV. Donald wasn't surprised. With its elevator and hot tub, he notes, "The house was made for my dad."See, the kid knows what's up, lol.
turbo4182
Senior Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 3:13p
About the 7 cars, they might need one to go from the living room to the bathroom since the house is so big.
This just proof that there are no drugs that can cure Stupidity, Oh yeah, winning money neither make you smarter.
blair222
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 7:30p
SUCKISSTAPLES said: hes a fool. there are ways to minimize the expenses. IF he didnt have 7 cars and leaving the Chicago house with its mortgage vacant it would help, and strategic cutting down in other areas would let him afford it
This family could of used a few years in FW "U". I was good with money before I started hanging around here, but now I have learned so much I feel like I went grad school. ( and still learning all the time in here, thanks to people like SIS, and Dave Hanson)
hammuch
New Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 8:13p
codename47 said: Don, 41, and Shelly, 38, have never slept in the master bedroom--it's too secluded. At night, Don obsessively checks a live video feed of Donald's room, two floors away from the bedroom they occupy, to make sure his son is okay. For the record, their son is 10!!! This isn't a newborn, and he needs checking? "Wakey, wakey. Hands off snakey."
"We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out."Sue! he got an air-tight case against God.
These people are blessed!!! Even now! Education is what they need. They STILL can live anywhere they want in the U.S. and have choices and options. As in so many situations they are HOPING and WAITING for things to "come back" or "return." They still own two (2) properties that if properly managed could afford them a lifestyle better than 85-90% of Americans and 99% of the free world.
It burns me when people act as if they need $40,000,000 to change their life. Your life can change with $2000 extra per month if you are willing to WORK it. There are legions of women raising families ALONE of 5-6 on NOTHING. Even today, peole are still floodind our shores and FINDING better opportunities every day. Its all your attitude and perspective.
You can do anything you want anytime you want. This guy can find the true value of this home with some elbow grease or a $400 appraisal. His flaw, and we all have them, is that he is focused on what he HAD and not what he has. if he had taken baby steps on every phase of his life - porsche, house, business, - he could have still failed miserably and chalk it up to tuition. I know plenty of people who have lost EVERYTHING - wife, kids, business, career, credit - and bounced back.
I bet he is in a better financial (net worth) situation than 99% of FWFers, but he lack stones and sense - cpnsequently, nothing will save him. The sooner he gets to the floor the better b/c his history indicates poor decisions.
MsMoneybags
Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 9:16p
LMAO she wants to be an accountant...who would trust her with a dime. It's hard to feel sorry for someone who buy's $6000 dog runs and a go cart while they are bleeding into poverty. 2 houses, 7 cars, 2 treadmills, 2 washers, 2 dryers, 3 people.
If they got the 5.5 mill by some miracle, they'd be broke again within a year.
codename47
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 9:19p
It burns me when people act as if they need $40,000,000 to change their life. Even then, it isn't enough. How many entertainers and sports stars made tons of money only to be flat broke a few years later? Mike Tyson earned well over 100M in his career. Same for Michael Jackson. Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, MC Hammer, etc...
Incessent, wasteful, stupid spending will bankrupt the largest fortune, the best business, or the biggest economy (slight rant)
You simply can not spend more than you have coming in and just figure the rest of the equation will work itself out later.
For some people, 40M won't do it. 100M won't do it. No amount of money in the world can stop the power of conspicuous consumption, none. It is like the anti-compound interest.
Giving 40k to charity...why? So you can pretend to be a big shot? You aren't independently wealthy. 250k really isn't a heckuva lot of money when you owe 600k in taxes.
2k dog run? Why? Just let the critters poop outside and feed the lawn or get the $10 pooper scooper and toss it in the trash.
I really hate people that get a bunch of money and have no clue what to do with it. I'm not jealous, but people here and in the US work and strive so hard and for so long for that, then they get a dream life and piss it away. I just hate waste.
They probably could have made it too, if they had the slightest bit of financial sense. Take out a HELOC for 600k to cover the taxes. Invest the 250k in income producing assets, say 8% yield, say 20k/year.
Sell the first house, pocket say 100-200k.
Shelly works, makes say 30k. Hubby gets off his duff for a part time gig, maybe another 30k or so. That is roughly 5k per month + whatever you can make from the investments, say 7k total. Sell the Denali and get something reasonable, that's an extra 40-50k to pay down the tax bill.
It might be tight for a bit, but I think they could squeak by. Pay down some of the HELOC with the proceeds from the first home sale, work to cover most of the payment, have your investments throwing off some income. It would be sorta tight, but for me personally to live in a 2M home, I'd figure out how to make it work.
Of course, this doesn't include a 6k dog track, 40k to charity, 7 cars + 1k per month in gas, thousands on servents and 7k on electricity???? That doesn't even make sense...do the sleep with all the lights on? Maybe that is how much CCTV runs to spy on your 10 year old.
The two major expenses (car and house) were fully paid for, and they just didn't know what to do.
If they got the 5.5 mill by some miracle, they'd be broke again within a year. Yup! There are some people that you could 100% redistribute their wealth (poor guy becomes rich, rich guy becomes poor) and within 5 years, nature would take course and they would be right back where they started.
hammuch
New Member
posted: Oct. 9, 2006 @ 9:34p
talljay said: Here's an earlier article where the guy is quoted as saying "We plan to stay," he said. "God will provide. We'll say a prayer, turn it over to him, and he provides. It'll all work out." That makes me so angry. He acknowleges that God has given him a special blessing and all he's going to do with it is squander it and beg for more. He would do well to consider the Parable of the Talents.
A joke told by Karl "Father Cavanaugh" Malden on the West Wing, season 1, episode 14, "Take This Sabbath Day":
You know, you remind me of the man that lived by the river. He heard a radio report that the river was going to rush up and flood the town. And that all the residents should evacuate their homes. But the man said, “I’m religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me.” The waters rose up. A guy in a row boat came along and he shouted, “Hey, hey you! You in there. The town is flooding. Let me take you to safety.” But the man shouted back, “I’m religious. I pray. God loves me. God will save me.” A helicopter was hovering overhead. And a guy with a megaphone shouted, “Hey you, you down there. The town is flooding. Let me drop this ladder and I’ll take you to safety.” But the man shouted back that he was religious, that he prayed, that God loved him and that God will take him to safety. Well... the man drowned. And standing at the gates of St. Peter, he demanded an audience with God. “Lord,” he said, “I’m a religious man, I pray. I thought you loved me. Why did this happen?” God said, “I sent you a radio report, a helicopter, and a guy in a rowboat. What the hell are you doing here?”
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