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I read the lingo from the adverse action thread. The APR was raised up to about 30%. That's default APR territory.

Therefore, the OP was hit with the card's default clause. I recommend finding the specifc section of terms and conditions that he fell victim to.


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Why does everyone keep referring to this fdicenforcer as "ajulius."?

From what I have seen, as I worked for a credit card company (I will not name names) as an analyst, the comments were dead on. I have not seen any evidence that this user is someone of another name on this forum, in fact, what evidence is there that anything this user said is incorrect or is someone by another name? All I see are personal attacks against fdicenforcer.

The topic here has gotten offtopic by a group of individuals who seem to want to personally flame others.

His forum on amtrust was very credible because I had friends who put money in the account and they also had severe issues and they were even worried. So if anything the evidence speaks contrary to what people on here were saying. I realize this is not the Amtrust thread. Just pointing out that people here apparently are blowing smoke and trying to hijack this thread for their own personal reasons.

As a user of fatwallet, I find these kind of arguments baseless and silly, and makes me wonder.


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deeder said:As a user of fatwallet, I find these kind of arguments baseless and silly, and makes me wonder.It kind of makes me wonder - what type of fatwallet user would make his first post in this thread? You must have been lurking a long-long time around here.


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to answer deeder's question...because we recognize his "style" it's quite unmistakable...even if he is "hiding" under a new "handle"....


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craig10x: Does this comment sound familiar?

"Whoa, settle down there Ajulius. I don't care what the "common practice" is by many banks. The fact is this thread is about comparing opening an account with WaMu vs Citi. The fact is in my personal experience that my opening check with WaMu was frozen for 10 business days while my check to Citi was immediately available."

I am starting to think this IS craig10x as this comment was addressed to you.

Evidence seems to suggest dolmar and/or craig10x are ruining this very good thread that we had.

Now it seems as though dolmar and craig10x have paranoid schitzophrenia since they seem to blaming me and fdicenforcer as being "ajulius" and even craig10x was said to be "ajulius." Who will be the next one to be called "ajulius" is what I am wondering.

http://www.healthsquare.com/mc/fgmc2415.htm

Thought fatwallet had good judgements but the paranoid schitzophrenia has absolutely ruined this thread.


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patch96 said:For the op

I was told to write to:

HSBC card services
Po Box 81622
salina CA 93912

attn: correspondence team

If the OP or anyone else in this situation has a better address or a PERSON to send the certified letter to please indicate

Thanks in advance


If that address is not the same as the one on the statement specifically identified for billing disputes, then send to both to protect your rights.


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jairocon said:deeder said:As a user of fatwallet, I find these kind of arguments baseless and silly, and makes me wonder.It kind of makes me wonder - what type of fatwallet user would make his first post in this thread? You must have been lurking a long-long time around here.

LMAO it is Ajulius. He just going to start to make new accounts and post stupid stuff in forums just to be a pain from now on I guess. That is very mature of him. Almost as mature as him thread jacking ever thread to push HSBC and bash all other banks, which by the way Ajulius just so you know is the reason people start to argue with you about almost everything you posted.


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Not sure what happened to the others. But it have been smooth sailing for me.
I opened an account last Dec with 0% and paid it off last week before the statement arrive.
No rate change during that period at all.


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CRAP! I just check my account - also at 21.8% as of last statement. I haven't misssed any payments and have been using this account for the last 8 months at 0% BT. This is BS!!


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Thanks to everyone who contributed addresses and suggestions.

I am still waiting to hear from the lady from the President's Office.

So far, while a few other have reported rate jacks, it seems that I was the only one met with unhelpfulness by CSR. However, if you have been rate jacked and the regular CSR aren't helpful, PM me and I will send you the number and extension to "upper management."

As promised, I will report back when I hear back from HSBC.


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So its official - I've been rate jacked as well. The CSR indicated the letter was sent in August (not certified) and that there was nothing they could do to change the situation. I was given a $30 discount but they would not refund my $264 finance charge.

So, what's the next steps? I guess I'll call the upper management office as previously mentioned. Anyone else have any suggestions? Of course, I'm paying off my BT right now...


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i was told that this issue would be rectified and that the 0% would be re-implemented. I was NOT told of any letter sent out to me, but of a computer glitch


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alexnyc said:So its official - I've been rate jacked as well. The CSR indicated the letter was sent in August (not certified) and that there was nothing they could do to change the situation. I was given a $30 discount but they would not refund my $264 finance charge.

So, what's the next steps? I guess I'll call the upper management office as previously mentioned. Anyone else have any suggestions? Of course, I'm paying off my BT right now...


Dispute the finance charge in writing via certified mail to the address stated on teh bill for billing disputes.


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Just got the call back from the lady at HSBC:

She stated that there was an error that caused the promotional balances to be subjected to the rate jack. She said that the situation is being resolved and that they have already implemented the fix. It should be reflected in 1 - 2 billing cycles.

She did confirm that there was a change-of-term on my account (and presumably anyone else who experienced the rate jack). The notice changed the APR to default APR. So, they are still jacking my rate, just that my promotional balances should have remained at 0%.

For those of you who experienced the rate jack, my suggestion is:
- Call HSBC and confirm that it is a computer glitch on your account (call again if your rep isn't helpful).
- Don't pay off your BT.
- Wait for the fix to be effective.
- You are free to take the suggestion of disputing your error in writing. Given my contact, I personally choose to not at this time.

If you still don't see the change implemented, say, by the end of January, PM me and I can get you the contact info for upper management.


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ckpeter said:If you still don't see the change implemented, say, by the end of January, PM me and I can get you the contact info for upper management.Why not post that info right away?


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ckpeter said:
- Don't pay off your BT.


I would not take this route.

Currently, I also owe about 19K w/ HSBC started last month. I think it's too risky to save 5% (put in a saving) and try to dispute w/ them. If this happened to me...I will be happy if they just refund the mistake interest charge and move on. I'm not codeman. I find it's better to make xtra $$ by working xtra hours rather than suing people. my .02.


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Ok, just confirmed with the CSR that there was a computer glitch and we will all get our finance charges reversed in 1-2 months. However, I suggest you call to have this documented on your profile.

Here's the catch - we need to make the new, higher monthly minimum payments for now (mine jumped from $150 to $413... Grrrr) but those finance charges will be credited back in a few months.

NOTE: My first call was a complete dead-end (good news: the manager gave me a $30 credit for my troubles...!) On my second call, I started the conversation off with "... and my friend, who also experienced this problem, was told there was a computer glitch..." which seemed to send the CSR on the right direction. I have my case number available as reference if anyone can't make headway with the CSRs but the trick seems to be call and call again...

BTW- CKPETER, thanks for all the good detective work!


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ckpeter said:...She stated that there was an error that caused the promotional balances to be subjected to the rate jack. She said that the situation is being resolved and that they have already implemented the fix. It should be reflected in 1 - 2 billing cycles....

In 60 days from the billing date of the first statement in which you were rate-jacked, you will lose many of your rights protected by the Fair Credit Billing Act unless you send the dispute in writing.

Verbal promises are worthless.

Chances are, the finance charges will be corrected as promised, but don't be surprised if they aren't. Verbal promises are worthless if they don't fix this to your expectations. Get the promise in writing. Send the written dispute today.

I don't understand why people don't get it that they need to get the dispute letter in the mail to protect themselves. It's not that hard to do. If they refund less than the full amount, you are SOL if all you have is a verbal promise.

This is my last post in this thread and I wish you all good luck (which is what you are relying on if you don't get the written dispute in the mail).


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Chances are, the finance charges will be corrected as promised, but don't be surprised if they aren't. Verbal promises are worthless if they don't fix this to your expectations. Get the promise in writing. Send the written dispute today.

So I'm kinda new at this- what do you suggest I put in writing? Dispute the finance change and request a response in writing that this will be credited back to my account? Is there anything else I need to ask or receive?


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If you want to write to HSBC, include all relevant account information, and state specifically that your balances were under promotional offer, and should not have been affected by the change of rate. Ask them to send you a copy of the change-of-term (if you didn't receive) and to respond to you with a reason for the rate increase.

As gatzdon said, make sure that you do that within 60 days of the date of the statement on which you were charged the finance charges.

I personally chose not to write, given the verbal promise from my contact. I also chose to keep my balance since, interest-wise, it is rather small, yet it is big enough that I don't want it to affect my cash flow plan. I will certain write to HSBC within 60 days, if my contact cannot rectify the situation for me.

I am not posting the upper management number because I don't want HSBC President's Office to be flooded with complaints. Since we know that they are working on it, it does us no good to keep asking "Are we there yet?"

Again, thanks to everyone for their suggestions, and best wish on resolving for those affected.


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