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No disrespect OP - but I don't think you have read through all the valuable info FWF contains. If you did - you wouldn't be saying the things you say. When I first saw your first post, I thought that this might be an interesting exercise (meaning the list of possible cc applications), but seeing your replies, I'm giving you red and I think you're simply not thinking rationally.

Let me humor you for a second - say you actually do go ahead and submit 100 apps online (take a day off from work because it will definitely take you that long). Optimistically:

10% instant approval
20% deferred decision -> deferred denial
70% instant denial

You now have 10 new lines, 100 new inquiries. If you read the adverse effects thread properly, you'd know you're facing a deep whole - since all your accounts undergo periodic account reviews. And you can bet you're going to start seeing account closings/credit line decreases not only on the new accounts but also on your established accounts for a number of reasons:

- too many recent inquiries
- too many recently opened accounts
- outstanding balances too high

You'll accomplish more bad than good to your credit profile with your proposed plan.

Anyway, good luck with it.


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No disrespect OP - but I don't think you have read through all the valuable info FWF contains. If you did - you wouldn't be saying the things you say. When I first saw your first post, I thought that this might be an interesting exercise (meaning the list of possible cc applications), but seeing your replies, I'm giving you red and I think you're simply not thinking rationally.

I am not too concerned on Adverse action. One of the credit profiles is quite thin, so anything new is a plus. Inquiries can only hurt you so much. I am aware of the score hit. The worst that will happen is I only get a few approvals. The fact that I have not seen an AOR done on this magnitude makes me want to do it just to see what happens. I have over 90k in BTs showing for over 6 months on my reports, and not 1 adverse action yet. The BTs will take quite some time to show up on the reports, unless the issuer reports quicker than normal (Discover sometimes does this) Some banks such as juniper report the new acct quickly, so I need to beat those too. One issue I need to deal with is where to transfer all the BT money to.. I have read of adverse actions regarding large credit balances, and while I personally moved tons of cash thru BofA, I have been a long time customer, and they didn't flinch. It wasy easy pushing the credit balance to checking. I am thinking transferring to a brokerage acct, but some banks want a CC#. One of my friends doesn't even have an open CC, am I don't think using AU accts is a good idea.


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It's so boring during the long dark nights in Alaska... (if I got right the signification of PolarDude handle)


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Uh, yeah, make sure to keep us posted on how this all goes for you.

-Bill-


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As I am adding links and checking out different banks.. I am noticing quite a few are serviced by larger financial institutions. I am curious if anyone has experience as to how this will affect max line per issuer? I am also seeing some banks offering personal lines of credit or loans, but not CCs. I am not including those, along with the ones what require you to apply in branch. My list is growing!! Some seasoned professionals can test out some of the links I put up, and let us know feedback. I have heard of people with many chase/citi/bofa CCs. I think 30 apps for one card servicer may cause a redflag. CUs are more work, so I will work on them later, banks are easy. I saw alot of 0% promos, and some interesting fees. One bank had an annual fee if you don't spend $1200 in a year! I am finding these banks off FDIC siteFYI.


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PolarDude said:As I am adding links and checking out different banks.. I am noticing quite a few are serviced by larger financial institutions.

I have heard of people with many chase/citi/bofa CCs. I think 30 apps for one card servicer may cause a redflag. CUs are more work.. .


thats what I tried to tell you earlier. And 30 apps per issuer is far beyond what you can pull off in an AOR. Re-read the AOR FAQ. For most issuers, 2-3 apps per issuer is what they will allow before declining due to multiple apps. There are some exceptions and ways around this, but thats a general guideline. 30 approvals per issuer just isnt going to happen.

Of course, I am interested to see where this leads and you have been working to add links to the OP/quicksummary, so you get green for doing the research and sharing.


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just off the top of my head....key bank is one serviced by citibank and pnc is serviced by elan.

I believe that national city and wells fargo are 2 midwest banks that have their own credit card divisions....


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PolarDude said:No joke. Unless I get lazy, but the risk/reward ratio IMO is worth it. I have been talking about this for a while with my friends. One has no credit cards at all, all they have is one closed CC. a new Auto loan, and a prosper marketplace loan. I try adding aged CC AU accts to their report, and they should be good to go. The recent NCO inquiry on their report does concern me.


Seriously, you need to think of the negative consequences. If it triggers a financial review etc. Credit could get pulled back, lines cancelled and you increase the risk of your of default rates being triggered. If you miss any of those, the costs is very expensive. I believe Suckisstaples and Scott1961 are all for you getting a much credit as you can reasonablly get and investing and making money, but even drinking too much water can be bad for a person.

In other words, think it over. You have some pretty experienced people waiving repeated big caution flags at you.

Remember, you can be a Bull or Bear on Wall Street, but Pigs always get slaughtered!


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I gave you green for the effort you put in to link all the CC offers. I am use it will be a very useful resource for FWers who are planning their AORs. Though I don't agree with your ideas on doing an AOR with 100 accounts.


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I believe Suckisstaples and Scott1961 are all for you getting a much credit as you can reasonablly get and investing

I believe you are either getting your "Fathers of AoR" confused or you are greatly misrepresenting people's views.

Scott is a great member of FWF. However, he has historically been incredibly skeptical of AoR and only reluctantly and accidently has done 1 minor (in terms of applications) AoR in his history.

I'd consider SIS as a leader, in terminology/help/standardization and kind of a "moderate" in terms of aggressiveness.

I'd consider MBaker as the leader of the ultra agressive group.

I'd consider DaveHanson as a leader in the conservative group and risk analysis.

Please don't take offense if I didn't describe you right and apologies to EugeneV and others who have done incredibly creative things.

Once again no offense to Scott I think you are misrepresenting him by saying he represents going for all the credit you could posssibly ever get.


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asdf9876 said: However, he has historically been incredibly skeptical of AoR and only reluctantly and accidently has done 1 minor (in terms of applications) AoR in his history.

Once again no offense to Scott I think you are misrepresenting him by saying he represents going for all the credit you could posssibly ever get.

My goal is as much credit with as few applications and open accounts as possible. Have finished re-allocating and closing some of my new accounts and now only have 10 open accounts but my AoR brought me from under $50k CL to over $400k. I think this leaves me in the best position to do a future AoR. The OP here is pretty much dooming any future chances with how many open accounts he will have and most likely most of them going to have small lines. I just can't imagine what will happen to his score as all new accounts get added. I just got an alert from MyFico that my score dropped from 781 to 766 due to my AMEX account showing up. I thought with it's $50k CL it would help my score with lower utilization. Many of the things I did go against the conventional wisdom here but since it was pretty successful I think it shows there are many ways to do one, By that logic maybe OP's will work. Will at least make for fun reading


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I think what would be more useful would be this list...but broken down by credit card issuers. That would help target your apps so no issuers gets more than 2 or 3 apps.

Here is a list of the major card issuers. There are several that are not on the list Wells Fargo, Juniper Bank, and I think PenFed issues its own card.

Credit Card Issuer FAQ

I'm sure others could add to the list.


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xpguy said:150 apps? You know credit inquiries are instant right? You'll be denied once you hit about 10 inquiries per credit bureau

That is true, the denials will start. But it also depends on which credit bureaus the issuer pulls, credit history, income level etc. I have had more than 15 and still got approvals.
But there is no way somebody will get a 150 cards approved in one AOR.
You can apply for 150 cards, that does not equal approval. IMHO

But the biggest issue as others have said is this is asking for a review, and closures of accts. This is a crash and burn strategy.


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Geez...I thought I pushed it with 39 apps on my Nov. AOR. I was only denied once. Chase said that I had to many inquiries in 30 days. Funny thing though, I had applied over the phone for a Chase Cash Plus Rewards card and had not heard anything back from them in a month....low and behold yeaterday the card shows up with a 10k limit. This was well after I got the rejection letter about the Chase Flexible Rewards Card. Anyway my AOR netted me $290k in new credit with $1700 in cardoffers bonus and sign up bonuses. Currently have have $130k sitting in various high yield savings accounts for between 10-18 months depending on the individual BT terms. Score dropped 40 points in the last thirty days since I did my AOR. Still around 730 though. Once all new balances show up I am sure it will make a dent though.

One card you might want to add even though Cap One is scum is the TJX Visa Platinum. I found an app waiting in return line with my wife at Marshall's Clothes store. It was Cap One branded and it offered 0% for 6 months with no fees. Up until then I could not seem to find any no fee 0% offers from them.

Anyway green for your efforts putting together that list. I may be a newbie to FW but listen to what these people say. It takes a lot of effort to manage 38 new accounts that you are moving money around to and from as well as tracking all the sign up bonuses. I can not even imagine 100, never mind 150.


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I am trying to sort the links by servicing institution. Lots of elan cards. Now one thing I wonder, does the bank branded on the card have liability if one defaults? How much interest do they have in the card, or does the servicer bear all? If they are simply outsourcing the labor, but still cover if the cardholder defaults, this could mean more approvals, as the servicer is just doing labor (ie cust service, mfr. the cards, pack. and mail, etc) Do the banks underwrite on their own, or outsource that? I noticed some actually state Elan issues the credit, but is that true for all of the cobranded cards? Anyone want to make a few phone calls and find out?


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what cra did the tjx pull


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After checking it looks like they pulled from all three CRA's.


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Polardude,

Good luck! Plan the logistics over and over to optimize on time. For example, turn off call waiting on your phone to avoid unnecessary distractions during your AOR.

If you get rejection letters, you could write to them saying you are trying to beat Walter Cavanagh's record. It might work.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WaterCooler/story?id=411883&page=1

MaMo


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g10ny said:It's so boring during the long dark nights in Alaska... (if I got right the signification of PolarDude handle)

Maybe he's just cool.


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davidaexp1 said:
Remember, you can be a Bull or Bear on Wall Street, but Pigs always get slaughtered!


Spoken like a true Cramerican


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