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rainman01 typed:

I'm wondering how much income plays into getting a large CL. I have great credit (over 800), but low income. FirstNational has an income of $230K?!?!? I don't think I'll ever get there (not because I'm uneducated, because I'm a biologist with a phd). Any ideas?
I think that's actually a good topic for a thread -- though perhaps it's a FAQ? I'm new around here.

My thought: a low risk, low margin business increases your top-line revenue (which is useful for business credit) even if it's not very profitable on its own. One example: if you're Web savvy, buy Google AdWords to drive traffic to an ad-supported site. (The key to managing risk: test and measure, only ramping up spending on things that pay off. I'll bet that a niche where you have some knowledge is better than a highly-competitive area like mortgages or medical lawsuits.)

Or, if you know and trust a small business owner who buys lots of things on credit cards (but doesn't read FW for all the tricks), you may be able to buy from their suppliers and turn around and resell, making a little margin via reward points and such -- and positioning yourself for higher CLs for AOR.

A related example: SIS pointed out in the real estate thread that breakeven on rent vs. expenses can still yield a profit via the tax deduction.


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Updated with 2 cards that came in today:

AMEX Optima Platinum, with a $2700 line
CitiBusiness Platinum Select MC, with a $14000 line


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Snyder81 said:

When I requested a hard pull CLI from Citi on their website, they wanted my bank account number and the bank's phone number to confirm funds. I could see where giving an account number with 0% BT money could be very beneficial to getting even larger credit lines. We have about $20K in that account right now from wife's 0% BT money and I'm hoping to put in another 80K or so. That would probably look like a good chunk of change to a creditor when requesting a CLI.


Do you know which report Citi pull when doing hard CLI?


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Updated with AMEX Clear approval that came in today for an additional $2300.

Total AOR: $248,900


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How many inquiries did you have before your aor?

tu/eq/ex


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patch96 said:How many inquiries did you have before your aor?

tu/eq/ex


2/4/1


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OK, this is weird. Today I received 3 separate AMEX Clear cards, all with different numbers. I also received a letter saying my application for the AMEX Clear card has been declined.


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Well, heck, you could go ahead and activate and use all of the cards. Bear in mind that some time down the road AMEX runs a very good chance of reviewing your account and then cancell\\ing things. Or I guess you could call them up now and try to sort it out if you want to avoid the surprise later.


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FirstNational said:OK, this is weird. Today I received 3 separate AMEX Clear cards, all with different numbers. I also received a letter saying my application for the AMEX Clear card has been declined.

go to the online application status and see how many apps they are showing that you submitted


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nymgiants said:go to the online application status and see how many apps they are showing that you submitted

Good suggestion. It shows me approved for a Clear card. I guess the lines with no card name listed are just BT's. So why was I sent 3 different cards?


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Online today, all 3 AMEX Clear cards are showing the new CL of $8300.


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FirstNational, So did your credit score only drop 30pts total due to your AOR? Thats amazing. I am still doing some research on AOR's and this was the big thing keeping me from taking the plunge. I was worried I would have to wait 2 years to recover my credit. Is there anything special that was done to take such a small credit hit?


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FirstNational's FICOs are due for a steeper drop once his 0% balances start reporting.


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What size drop is more typical for an AOR?


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Yeah only about $30K is showing up as of 1/1. But I'm am sticking to my 50% utilization to minimize the impact.

Looking through the links on SIS's pinned thread, I think some of the more agressive AOR's had drops of 100 or more. I think the higher your starting score, and the more agressive your AOR, the bigger the drop.

I plan to keep updating this thread to show the score impact. From what I've heard, the 6-month point is where inquiries start to decrease in impact. Since I had only 3 cards before (with no apps since 2001), I expect an improvement based on number of accounts. I would like to be in a position for a repeat after about a year (Nov 2007). But I really prefer the "rolling AOR" and I'd like to see more input here on that, how to be in a position to receive plenty of lucrative targeted offers.


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FirstNational,

Now that you have gotten so many of your lines approved, can you give us an update on how much of the new available credit you actually got in BT? A total $ amount and also a list of all the fees you've paid so far would be really nice. Congrats on your AOR. Looks like it went well.

NP.


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NinjaPigeon said:FirstNational,

Now that you have gotten so many of your lines approved, can you give us an update on how much of the new available credit you actually got in BT? A total $ amount and also a list of all the fees you've paid so far would be really nice. Congrats on your AOR. Looks like it went well.

NP.


About $101K received, about $10K in transit. Currently in GMAC and E-LOAN MMAs. I don't have a total of the fees handy, I'm out of town at the moment, and away from my spreadsheet. I think it went well, no bad stuff so far, except that one of my Credit Reports has split. I also recently received my first check from cardoffers, that was $85 including the initial $10 first app bonus.


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Can I ask a newbish question? I was wondering if it is better to ask for a CLI before the AOR? Sometimes the CLI doesn't require a hard inquiry, right? If that's the case you can do the CLI and then do a consolidation of CL from the same bank. This way you can have a high CL on just one card, which will allow you to save on BT fees, and also work on making minimum payments. Thanks!


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scott1961 said:rainman01 said:I'm wondering how much income plays into getting a large CL. I have great credit (over 800), but low income. FirstNational has an income of $230K?!?!? I don't think I'll ever get there (not because I'm uneducated, because I'm a biologist with a phd). Any ideas?
Your 800 FICO means you will have no problem getting approved but CL's are determined by your income. To give you an example the credit analyst guy at MBNA told me a $300k+ income gets you a $50k CL

I have two cards from BOA (formerly MBNA), and they have limits of 50k and 55k (or 105k combined) and my income isn't anywhere near that. .. and they continually raise my limits without my asking (and no credit inquiries either, or at least not with Experian). These are bar association branded gold cards, so I suppose they just assume I am getting richer and richer because of my profession.


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