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Hey guys, I'm in a little bit of a dilemma here. I'm currently 20 years old and I've been saving my money for a very long time. I've never had a "formal" job, and I've never paid taxes. I have about $8k in my bank account, $7k in the stock market, and about another $30k in cash. I've been very successful with an eBay business and craigslist hustling, but I seriously don't know what to do. I'm worried that if I put the money in my bank account it'll look fishy considering I've never had a job on paper. I don't want the government thinking I'm a drug dealer or something! I'm also hoping to buy a house within the next year, but I don't know how I'm going to do that, yet. Can someone please give me some pointers?



I'll start with one of the obvious questions:
Even if a home costs only $50k, how will you afford the maintenance, upkeep, and taxes without a job?


yeah good luck with that.

p.s. don't pick up the soap.


here is some reading info for you

IRS publication


Try a No Doc loan, or a Niva loan. (No Income, Verified Assets)
If you can put 20% down, you'll be in good shape. The banks like seasoned money, so if it is cold hard cash, you might want to park it somewhere..
If you haven't paid taxes, once you own property, the IRS may redflag you, and you may get audited, just a word of warning.. You might get a tax lien slapped on
there! There are plenty of lenders out there, and you could always get a hard money loan. You should check out alot of lenders and see who will give you the best deal. Beware of the bait & switch dudes, they'll quote you a low rate, then when you get to closing, you'll get raped, and risk losing your earnest money if you walk!


1) Get a job; have your pay direct deposited; live off your cash.

2) Start depositing small amounts of your cash into your savings account (like $200/week).

Seriously, you know what the problem is, and there are only a few good solutions. If you don't have a job, you don't have tax-advantaged retirement savings. Get a job. You don't have to worry about this job supporting you if you can make the money you need to make. Plus, maybe you can get some health insurance, which is nice. In any event, get a job, of some sort. This may mean formalizing what you are already do so you end up paying taxes. I know taxes are a drag, but not paying taxes has the potential of making you look like a drug dealer and/or getting you in trouble for tax evasion.

If you don't formalize what you are doing, look for something that would be fun. Try working at least part time. Do something that will yield a nice employee discount on something you already need (food, clothes, etc). Make sure you participate in any eligible employer sponsored plan, and start a Roth IRA. Save some more money, because they won't want to see money that hasn't been in the bank for at least six months, in many cases.


he has a job hussling eBay and CL. let him be on that. people can make alot.

But yeah, you need to have a real business license, pay taxes, etc. The IRS isn't too keen on folks with no documented income (at irs) buying houses, unless you want to be audited or visited by the DEA.

So you have a business, you are an employee of your business. Nuff said. I would goto creditboards.com and build up business credit (doesn't show on your CR) after you get the house and use that for your business if necessary.

With a good 700+ score you can get a decent no doc loan for sure. Just follow the rules. There's alot of people in the mortgage forum on creditboards that are brokers, who can help you (and they can even handle your home purchase). Those guys are motivated work-at-home brokers who make alot of their money off net-business since the overhead is pretty low. They are lean , which means they won't waste your time or theirs if things are not going to go down.

Check out DCU credit union too, they are local here in atlanta, and it seems every broker quotes their rates.

What happens is you pay the broker some fees and they make sure all your ducks are lined up so they get paid when the loan closes. IMO this small fee (well not small, sometimes alot) is worth it. Because my last closing was hand over the required docs, house inspection, wait 2 weeks no word, go to closing sign docs, get keys. no surprises nada, actually almost scared me they didn't say a peep until we arrived at the lawyers office to sign the docs. You'd think they'd email you like every day saying "it's still 100% and 3 days to go" lol. BTW they did do IRS W-2 verification, took my PDF bank statements, and never called my work to verify income lol.

creditboards mortgage forum, golden for advice. If you are in atlanta i can give you a guy thats done several mortgages for alot of my close friends. He's probably not the cheapest but he's never screwed over anyone, and word of mouth referal is good stuff. I also know a good inspection company, dude tore up my new house finding little little things i'd have never considered.


some more reading info

fincen press release


My pointer is that it is not safe to leave $30K in cash laying around the house - I would invest some in a too large to carry High Quality safe that is fire proof.


notanormalgent said: Hey guys, I'm in a little bit of a dilemma here. I'm currently 20 years old and I've been saving my money for a very long time. I've never had a "formal" job, and I've never paid taxes. I have about $8k in my bank account, $7k in the stock market, and about another $30k in cash. I've been very successful with an eBay business and craigslist hustling, but I seriously don't know what to do. I'm worried that if I put the money in my bank account it'll look fishy considering I've never had a job on paper. I don't want the government thinking I'm a drug dealer or something! I'm also hoping to buy a house within the next year, but I don't know how I'm going to do that, yet. Can someone please give me some pointers?


notanormalgent said: I've been very successful with an eBay business and craigslist hustling, and I've never paid taxes.Great! Could you please post a little bit more information about yourself? I need just a little bit more to finish filling out my report. You could save me some time by filling in the blanks here.


you do realize that eBay and paypal can give your info to the irs and address match. it could be 10 years from now and you'd be liable for state and federal taxes and penalties and interest.

think about where our nation is going with data aggregation..


Your overarching problem is that you have no verifiable income. You don't have a W-2 or a tax return. You need to get one or the other or both. Whether that entails getting hired by someone else or just paying taxes on the things you do now, you won't easily be able to play ball with banks to get loans unless you do.


Why don't you get a job and file amended tax returns for the past few years. If you do it "right" you might not owe any taxes.

How do you expect to make the house payments if you don't have a job? You can't count on eBay and Craigslist month to month can you?


no legit bank will loan you money w/o a steady proof of reliable income.


mespin said: Your overarching problem is that you have no verifiable income.
His overarching problem is that he is going to prison for not paying taxes.


No need to buy a house; the government will soon be supplying a big one for you.


Phase 1: Stop admitting that you don't pay taxes in a public forum on the internet.

Phase 2: ???

Phase 3: Profit!


notanormalgent said: Hey guys, I'm in a little bit of a dilemma here. I'm currently 20 years old and I've been saving my money for a very long time. I've never had a "formal" job, and I've never paid taxes. I have about $8k in my bank account, $7k in the stock market, and about another $30k in cash. I've been very successful with an eBay business and craigslist hustling, but I seriously don't know what to do. I'm worried that if I put the money in my bank account it'll look fishy considering I've never had a job on paper. I don't want the government thinking I'm a drug dealer or something! I'm also hoping to buy a house within the next year, but I don't know how I'm going to do that, yet. Can someone please give me some pointers?

go get a 5% down or 0% down mortgage, you could buy at least a million dollar McMansion, we talk from there


Here's a few questions that you need to answer first:

1. Where do you live?
2. At what time are you typically out of the house?


Pack your bags, son. You're going to the big house!


CoffeeEater said: Here's a few questions that you need to answer first:

1. Where do you live?
2. At what time are you typically out of the house?


Beat me to it.... I was gonna go with more of a:

"I'm a tax attorney, I can help you get that taken care of for pennies on the dollar PM me your phone number/email and addy and I'll send you out some stuff to look over and then give you a call in a week."


Before you invest your money in a house, perhaps you should ask yourself what you want to be "when you grow up."

Do you still want to be hustling eBay and craigslist in 15 years? Think about the big picture--a family, house, dog, etc. What about health insurance? How are you going to support it all? On "no income"? Do you think that the IRS might figure out you are not on the up and up at some point?

My point: you might want to consider either legitimizing your business or going to school (college, trade school, whatever)--something that will provide you with a CAREER that enables you to live your life.


Why are you guys scaring the poor kid.

Listen... YOU DO HAVE A JOB!!!

You are a sole proprieter running your own home business. Get a business card or two and route your business transactions through there. Pick up a copy of H&R taxcut,file taxes and pay em along with the penalties(Or see an accountant). It shouldnt be too bad as you can write off most of your busines expenses. Also, you can set up a retirement plan for yourself (much larger allowable deduction than a typical 401k) in order to get some of that income deferred.

Get a copy of Quicken Home & Business and start tracking ALL your income and expenses and keep your receipts. Open a Business Checking & Savings account if you want and get a TIN number.
Remember that the more legit you look, the more willing the banks will be willing to work with you.

Then go get your house. Heck you may even be able to get it under your business name if its an investment property.

Then come back to FW and report your good news!!!

Good Luck.

Fortune Favors The Bold.


I'd like to thank those for the positive constructive feedback, and for those that have nothing good to say, please stop posting.

I'm a student in college right now working towards my business degree. I just got my real estate license as well. I have paid taxes before on my stock gains, but I never knew that I had to report eBay stuff? I guess I'll do a backlog and send Uncle Sam a nice big check...


notanormalgent said: I'd like to thank those for the positive constructive feedback, and for those that have nothing good to say, please stop posting.

I'm a student in college right now working towards my business degree. I just got my real estate license as well. I have paid taxes before on my stock gains, but I never knew that I had to report eBay stuff? I guess I'll do a backlog and send Uncle Sam a nice big check...

Once you get that tax situation settled, you can finally put your money in a bank. I sure hope the cash is at least in a safety deposit box.


Just because you have income doesn't mean you have to pay taxes. Just make sure you have losses to offset your income. Also, I believe there are some people who don't make enough to pay taxes and still have to file.

Then again, I think the worst that could happen is you have to pay the taxes, penalties and interest some day, assuming you don't ignore them when they come knocking. You might think about that with respect to your past financial activities instead of writing a big check.

Then again, I don't know how high those penalties might be. If you really want to know, you should talk to the guys who make the rules, a tax attorney and/or accountant. Thing is, they will not tell you stuff that could get them in trouble, which may be what you want to know right now. Grain of salt and all that.


mespin said: Once you get that tax situation settled, you can finally put your money in a bank. I sure hope the cash is at least in a safety deposit box.Definitely get that cash in a savings account ASAP. Keeping it in bill form is costing you $600+ a year.


Why not buy a cheaper home and keep your bills low so you can enjoy your life. I payed off my mortage when I got some money and now I pay myself back monthly and I hope to retire before 50 and I'm only 38 and well on my way to that goal.




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