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Saw many FWers' AOR post.
Many of them apply for BOA's card for 6 month 0% APR for BT with no fee.

I applied BOA money return visa card at the end of Dec. and got instant approval. I received my card today and called to relocate the credit from other cards to take advantage of 0% APR. Since I have filled out the BT info on the appplication form, the rep told me it has been processed for my BT. but instead of send to the other CC company, the check is actually sent to me with the payee's name and amount typed already. the rep told me I just need to send this check to the CC company to finish the BT.

I never had this kind of weird BT before so I asked why it is like that. The rep asked me do I know there's 3% fee on my BT. I said "Hell No". no kidding, it is listing as no fee BT and that is why I applied for it. the rep told me I am approved for the credit card with 0% apr and everything, except the no fee for BT. It does charge me 3% fee with no cap on BT. I asked it clears list it;s no fee BT on ToC and there's no where mention about you may get charge for 3% BT under any situation. The rep said that is how it shows in my account. She said the best way I can do is not deposit that BT check, then I won't be charged for any fee. I guess that is why I have this type of weird BT that sent me with a typed check with payee name of the CC bank and amount, instead of a clean BT check or sent to the CC bank directly.

Fortunately I called and found out this. or I will suffer from the 3% fee with no cap. Be aware of that if you apply for any BOA 0% no fee BT card and thought it is no fee for BT.

P.S: I applied the card thru cardoffers, not a targeted offer mail.

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See my post here:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=52&threadid=681033

I've also seen this has happened to a couple of people and talking to a manager seems to fix the problem! Good luck! BoA will also direct deposit BT funds to your bank account.


I just looked the card up on card offers. (Use the alphabetical listing--it's on the last page of the "M"s!) I clicked on the terms link there and came up with this information about balance transfers:
*BALANCE TRANSFERS. If the total amount you request exceeds your credit line, we may either send full or partial payment to your creditors in the order you provide them to us or we may send you Cash Advance Checks. Allow at least 2 weeks from account opening for processing. Continue paying each creditor until the transfer appears as a credit. Transfers are processed as cash advances as described in the Credit Card Agreement. Cash advances incur finance charges from the transaction date. Balance Transfers and Cash Advance Checks are subject to transaction fees in the amount of None of the transaction (minimum $0).

Although that "None" inserted in the text makes for an awkward sentence, I don't see any way to interpret it other than saying there is NO transaction fee for a balance transfer. I'd call again and speak with a manager.


Thank you for the info.


Don't know if this helps, but here I go...

I applied for the BoA power rewards in August, got accepted, didn't use the BT rate at the time and come December I receive a promotion in the mail and online about 0% / no fee until November 2007. It's going to turn out to be about 10 months - but I hopped on that sucker!!


A week ago, I did a BT over the phone on the Money Return Visa. The CSR whose name I got and his office confirmed he got supervisor approval for no fee. When I checked last night, lo and behold a $300 fee was nailed on my account. I called in today and was transferred 3x (once to the office where the original lying CSR was, was told that department is closed), and the last CSR kept refusing to acknowledge the terms of the offer which I said I had in front of me. When I asked to be transferred to a supervisor, he said he was an account manager. He said "You did it over the phone, the fees still apply." I told him this is ridiculous and I would call back. Now I so understand why BoA has one of the worst customer satisfaction reputations

EDIT: I also applied through the CardOffers link as well, but the first CSR even confirmed what I told him about the card being 0%, no fee when I called to do it


MosDeft said: A week ago, I did a BT over the phone on the Money Return Visa. The CSR whose name I got and his office confirmed he got supervisor approval for no fee. When I checked last night, lo and behold a $300 fee was nailed on my account. I called in today and was transferred 3x (once to the office where the original lying CSR was, was told that department is closed), and the last CSR kept refusing to acknowledge the terms of the offer which I said I had in front of me. When I asked to be transferred to a supervisor, he said he was one. He said "You did it over the phone, the fees still apply." I told him this is ridiculous and I would call back. Now I so understand why BoA has one of the worst customer satisfaction reputations You might want to double-check the terms that you received with your card (not the terms that appear for the application). If it says no fee, then you should be in a good position to argue with them. Chances are though that it mentions a fee, even though the application didn't. This seems to be an issue that's happening quite a bit lately.

I'd be curious to know whether everyone who ended up having a fee assessed when told that there would be no fee still has their promotional period listed as only six months. My fiancee applied for the WorldPoints card with a 12-month BT offer (with a 3% uncapped fee, but with $50 statement credit after first purchase or BT), but instead received her card with a 6-month BT offer (with no fee, and with no statement credit). Upon calling and explaining to BoA that the terms she received didn't match the terms on the application, they simply said that the terms they showed on her account were the same as the terms mailed to her. Everyone agreed that the terms didn't match the application online, but no one had any explanation as to how the offer got mixed up. It sounds like this is something BoA might need to work on.

As far as their customer service goes, I've never had a negative experience with MBNA, BoA, or FIA Card Services, so I can't complain. I can certainly understand everyone's frustrations with the offer mix-ups though, especially since you were told by a CSR that the fee would be waived.


TheGersh said: Don't know if this helps, but here I go...

I applied for the BoA power rewards in August, got accepted, didn't use the BT rate at the time and come December I receive a promotion in the mail and online about 0% / no fee until November 2007. It's going to turn out to be about 10 months - but I hopped on that sucker!!


Same here.


I actually have the other BOA card. I didn't see the offer(or maybe I missed it) but I am aware of 0% apr for BT when I logon to website.
I called and asked about that. It's 0% apr BT until Nov. 2007 with a max of $90 BT fee.


I called in again a few moments ago. I get a hold of a supervisor in the Pasadena office who goes on CardOffers, looks at the T&Cs, puts me on hold....and skirts around the language claiming it means that no fees means no BT (wtf does that mean?!). When I told her why do the other cards with BT offers say 3%, no maximum and this one doesn't, she can't give a response. She just keeps refusing to credit back the fee claiming it's correct. She sent a message for the original CSR to call me back. Even IF I get the fee back, this whole ordeal has opened my eyes. I had an inkling of how bad BoA was when I helped my dad, but now this is just plain absurd. So the language in the T&C is vague and incomprehensible, therefore it's my fault so I get hit with the fee....

Unbelievable


For the record, you don't need cardoffers to see it use the awkward "None of each such cash advance" language, it's on BofA's regular page for the card:

linky-doo (click "rates and fees")

They should really correct that (hopefully to be more clear, and still no-fee).


Good find mark, I almost have to either get the original CSR to notate it correctly or find a competent supervisor. It's obvious that any other BoA card with a 0% BT offer specifically states "3% of the transaction ($10 min)" while the Money Return and Financial Rewards clearly don't have this language. So why the difference? Oh because there is no BT fee! Is this too much common sense for banking people to understand?


You know, I have an Efectiva card that I got about 7 months ago. There was no BT fee for at the time.

At the time, I recall the site being more clear (but I don't have a printout). There was also an "additional disclosure" that came with the card when I got it, that included the promotion period BT rule s(0%, no fee, etc). This was all pre-MBNA merger.

The efectiva card currently has the same awkward language as the other BofA cards in question.

I think it just lends more credence to the theory that BofA is smoking dope.


You have no argument from me. The worst part is that I did the BT without getting the card first, but I verified the offer with the guy. The BoA clearly said it was for fee free, but I didn't find it odd at the time that he would need his supervisor to approve the $0 fee


FYI - if you go into a BofA and ask for their world points CC pamphlet it clearly states 12 month 0% no fee BT's. I used that to get my balance transfer.


I also applied using the cardoffers link and think this card should come with a no fee bt....


if you go into a BofA and ask for their world points CC pamphlet it clearly states 12 month 0% no fee BT's

I think that you're incorrect, Fred. Here's a quote from the Terms cited on the BofA site for the World Points card:

"Balance Transfers and Cash Advance Checks are subject to transaction fees in the amount of 3% of the transaction (minimum $10).". They provide NO maximum.

I think that the BofA DOES have have $0 BT fees for cards with 6 MONTH durations. However, it appears that the largest bank in the world is increasingly moving towards uncapped 3% BT fees. Will competitors follow or hold the line????

What will become of our "beloved" AORs????? Or as Marlon Brando once uttered, "Oh, The Horror, The Horror"


nm


Update: I got a call earlier this afternoon from the BoA CSR who processed my BT. He apologized for the mixup and that the fee was to be CREDITED back meaning the fee would be charged anyways, but a credit would also show up immedately after. Who knows if he was telling the truth or not, but I got the fee removed. Still doesn't compensate me or the others who had to call and speak with these stubborn (fill in expletive). I don't have any experience with MBNA but if BoA is this bad, it's only a matter of time before they bring them down with em'

I just checked, but the credit hasn't shown up yet. He mentioned it might now show up yet on online banking, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt


LustfortheMoment said: if you go into a BofA and ask for their world points CC pamphlet it clearly states 12 month 0% no fee BT's

I think that you're incorrect, Fred. Here's a quote from the Terms cited on the BofA site for the World Points card:

"Balance Transfers and Cash Advance Checks are subject to transaction fees in the amount of 3% of the transaction (minimum $10).". They provide NO maximum.

I think that the BofA DOES have have $0 BT fees for cards with 6 MONTH durations. However, it appears that the largest bank in the world is increasingly moving towards uncapped 3% BT fees. Will competitors follow or hold the line????

What will become of our "beloved" AORs????? Or as Marlon Brando once uttered, "Oh, The Horror, The Horror"


"Website" does not equal "phamplet in bank". I believe they are changing many things from the merger. It is important to keep all docoumentation from what you sign up for because they have more then a few deals saying 9, 12, 6 "promotional" etc etc.

---I recently signed up for 2 worldpoints cards.
#1=in bank Visa
#2=online AMEX
--- The paperwork looks exactly the same, but one states %3 BT fee (AMEX) and the visa... no fee!

Edit: Oh -and the CSR was really helpful. I mentioned a fee on the AMEX and She said "lets just move the CL from the AMEX to the Visa so you can get a bigger balance transfer!"
Me "Uhhh ok."
her "I can just put that right into your checking account!"
me "uhhh ok."


Pamphlets are often outdated. I'd go with the Terms and Conditions on the current BofA website. I think that BofA will also facilitate a "live chat" with a credit card specialist to answer any discrepancies.


LustfortheMoment said: Pamphlets are often outdated. I'd go with the Terms and Conditions on the current BofA website. I think that BofA will also facilitate a "live chat" with a credit card specialist to answer any discrepancies.website info or live chat info is not binding, and more often than not, not correct.

A pamphlet you receive with the card constitutes the T&Cs applicable to your account, and any change must be in a subsequent writing, not a webpage or chat.


FWIW, the BofA (former MBNA) cards are the only ones moving to uncapped fees. This includes all the AMEX versions. MBNA began moving to 3% uncapped before the merger with BofA, and this continues with these cards.

The "true" BofA cards come with a variety of fee caps, from $0 to $90.


Odd thing happened, and this looks like a fairy relevant pre-existing thread to add my issue onto.

I paid off a student loan (8% interest, low payoff) with a 6 month $50 fee 0% BT from BOA. The balance on the student loan was $2500ish. While doing the BT, the CSR offered to deposit $2000 into my checking account so I said go ahead (wasn't sure what I would do with it, but took it anyways since its free money) Well, today I got a BOA statement in the mail. The statement says my balance is $2000 (instead of $4500), and there was also no fee applied (no $50) Then, I went to check my student loan and found that it still hasn't been paid off.

There were no other enclosures or anything re: this attempted BT, just the statement saying that there is a $2K balance, first pmt of $20 due in a couple weeks.

What should I do? If it is an oversight, I would be better off using the 2K in the bank to just payoff the student loan and add the remaining from my own funds than to call and insist on the BT to student loan (along with the fee). Proceed to payoff $2K, forget about the BT and fee. Am I missing something here?

Has anything weird like this happened to anyone else before during BTs?


moneymanmoney said: Odd thing happened, and this looks like a fairy relevant pre-existing thread to add my issue onto.

I paid off a student loan (8% interest, low payoff) with a 6 month $50 fee 0% BT from BOA. The balance on the student loan was $2500ish. While doing the BT, the CSR offered to deposit $2000 into my checking account so I said go ahead (wasn't sure what I would do with it, but took it anyways since its free money) Well, today I got a BOA statement in the mail. The statement says my balance is $2000 (instead of $4500), and there was also no fee applied (no $50) Then, I went to check my student loan and found that it still hasn't been paid off.

There were no other enclosures or anything re: this attempted BT, just the statement saying that there is a $2K balance, first pmt of $20 due in a couple weeks.

What should I do? If it is an oversight, I would be better off using the 2K in the bank to just payoff the student loan and add the remaining from my own funds than to call and insist on the BT to student loan (along with the fee). Proceed to payoff $2K, forget about the BT and fee. Am I missing something here?

Has anything weird like this happened to anyone else before during BTs?


What is your credit limit on that BofA account?


I have a case of the OPPOSITE happening to me.

Applied for a BofA Mercedes-Benz Visa (to actually use for the rewards for parts & service). BT terms were 1.9% for 6 months and NO MAX FEE stated, but I didn't intend to use this for BT purposes so it didn't matter. After receiving the card, I called to transfer CL and was told the card had a 6-month 0% NO FEE BT (& purchases). So I gladly pulled out a hefty BT. Thank you BofA!

This was from a standard mail-in application that I picked up at my local Mercedes dealership.

Another weird thing is that I applied for the standard Visa, but they sent me the Signature Visa - another reason why I pulled out the big BT, to pump up the max balance reported. When I called to convert to the standard one, they offered to just waive the $90 annual fee this year. Plan on converting it to the standard one next year.


I bet you'd get the 5.9% CD from them.
BofA needs customers who can afford a MBZ. As for the rest of us...


My CL is $5K


moneymanmoney said: My CL is $5K

Its kind of up to you. If you just want to pay off the loan, then your pretty much set. If you want the extra $2500, then call. BUT, there may have been a delivery problem with the other part of the transfer, you may want to call just to see if any transfers are pending on your account before you pay off the loan yourself (If you just ask for info, the CR isnt going to look and say "Oops, we forgot to bill you the transaction fee"). If not, then its up to you whether its worth $50 to get the other $2500 for the remainder of the 6 months.


FWIW, the BofA (former MBNA) cards are the only ones moving to uncapped fees.

Correct. I recently picked up a Fidelity Investments card which is offered by FIA but issued by the BofA. BT fees are 3% uncapped.




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