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Make sure the conv. checks don't have a cash advance fee. They are sometime uncapped! BofA should be able to ACH the credit balance to checking. Since MBNA took over, I hope it doesn't set off any laundering alerts. Nice CL on the state farm card by the way.


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WashWest said:yeastbeast said:-It sounds like you BTed from Advanta (a business account) into your personal checking account. There's been some discussion on FW about whether they'll do this. Did they give you a hard time about it or ask any questions about the nature of your account?

-You BTed $6000. What fraction of your Advanta CL is that?


1) The Advanta CSR was happy to BT to my checking. I first explained that i had used my personal checking for business expenses and wanted to use the BT to pay back that "loan" (which is mostly true ). She asked whether the checking account was business or personal, and didn't object when i said "personal." Of course, it hasn't actually gone through yet...

2) My CL is $12.5k, so the $6k BT was 48%.


Why not max this card out? I thought the appeal of this card was that it doesn't show on your personal credit report.


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PolarDude said:BofA should be able to ACH the credit balance to checking. Since MBNA took over, I hope it doesn't set off any laundering alerts.

I didn't explain that too clearly. I won't have a credit balance. Here's how I'm using BofA for getting BT cash:

1. BT large sum from BofA to checking
2. Pay off most of that sum with balance transfers from two cards that won't BT to checking
3. Wait until those two transfers clear, lowering my BofA balance to almost $0
4. Use the BofA checks to BT an additional sum to my checking, bringing that card to a comfortable 49% util
5. This spreads the BT cash over 3 cards, keeping them all under 50% util

The disclosure with the checks says there's no fee, and I confirmed it with a CSR on the phone. I'm thinking that using the checks is less likely to set off alerts than doing another BT by phone.

Hope that clears things up.


SleepyNyte said:Why not max this card out? I thought the appeal of this card was that it doesn't show on your personal credit report.

Um, poor strategy? The timidity of a noob doing a first AOR? In retrospect, it would've been better to get more from that card.


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WashWest101 said:

SleepyNyte said:Why not max this card out? I thought the appeal of this card was that it doesn't show on your personal credit report.

Um, poor strategy? The timidity of a noob doing a first AOR? In retrospect, it would've been better to get more from that card.


WashWest, I ended up BTing $7.5K of my $10K Advanta line... hopefully, as SleepyNyte says, without adverse effect on my credit rating.


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OP, how much is BT fee for the Citi Diamond Preferred AMEX? The one I see on FWF is $250.


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WashWest: did you do any of these through cardoffers.com to get some fees from them?


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mrmakochan said:OP, how much is BT fee for the Citi Diamond Preferred AMEX? The one I see on FWF is $250.

Ouch. There's no fee for me. I applied using offer code F1N9.

I just tried that code here and it still works. See this thread for more details.

I got BT checks in the mail, which clearly state no fee. I also verified with CSR when calling to activate the checks.


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duna said:WashWest: did you do any of these through cardoffers.com to get some fees from them?

Yes, there was one: the AMEX IN:NYC - $40 from CardOffers. Thanks for reminding me that i didn't put that info in the OP.


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WashWest101 said:mrmakochan said:OP, how much is BT fee for the Citi Diamond Preferred AMEX? The one I see on FWF is $250.

Ouch. There's no fee for me. I applied using offer code F1N9.

I just tried that code here and it still works. See this thread for more details.

I got BT checks in the mail, which clearly state no fee. I also verified with CSR when calling to activate the checks.


3% of the amount of each balance transfer, $5 minimum, $250 maximum. However, there is no fee with the 0.00% APR balance transfer offer described above.

Oops, should have read the rest of the fine print.


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Turns out that my machinations for getting money out of the PNC card were unnecessary. Yesterday i got no-fee BT checks in the mail. That's 3 weeks after I applied.

Yesterday was check day in my mailbox. I also received no-fee BT checks from BofA Business card and fee-heavy cash-advance checks from State Farm. Needless to say I will use the former, but not the latter. I'll update the OP with this info.

I also applied for the Business Gold Rewards AMEX with the 25k points bonus last night (link). Instantly approved. (They pulled Experian.) Won't use this for BT - just the bonus.


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BT harvesting is just about complete, just waiting for the BofA Financial Rewards card statement to close, before I BT another $13,000 to checking. That will bring the total to a hair over $100,000. (The card-by-card breakdown is in the first post, if anyone cares to see it.)

About half of that amount is in 6 month promo offers, so I'm looking at about $2000 in net profit from interest by January 2008. If I can move some of the expiring debt to new 0% offers this summer, the profit will increase, of course.

All cards are below 49% util, except for the Citi Diamond Rewards card, which is at 70%. (I'd planned to use it to launder another card, but then didn't need to.) I'll probably leave it at 70%, since overall util is around 40%.

The bonuses have started to roll in:
***$200+ gift cards from Citi
***$250 gift cards from AMEX
***$60 Cash Back from Discover
***$70 cash from Card Offers

I also expect about $350 in bank account bonuses, though some of those will take a while.

Credit scores are starting to fall, as the high balances hit. True Credit is reporting 715/718/793 (TU/Exp/EQ), with several more cards yet to report the big BTs.

I probably won't update again for a while, unless I encounter adverse action or other surprises.


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WashWest101,

It would be nice to see an update of how things are going, now that you are many weeks into it.

Thanks,
-Pakaderm


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Thanks for your interest, Pakaderm. There's not a whole lot to report. I am making minimum payments and watching the interest add up. It doesn't take much work, after the BT harvesting is done. I set up a spreadsheet with due dates and whatnot, but I don't really use it, since the CC and Yodlee both tell me when new bills are ready to be paid. (With only 8 BT cards, this is manageable.)

Credit scores are: TU-692, Exp-704, EQ-794. Not all BT balances have hit, so they may drop a little bit more.

I pulled all 3 reports with TrueCredit every day for the first 6 weeks, now about every 3 days. No inquiries have been bumped off yet.

Still waiting for a check from cardoffers.com.


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WashWest, I see that you successfully jumped on the Chase Freedom $250 bandwagon ... If you feel comfortable sharing this info, how large a CL did you have on the two Chase cards you had prior to applying for the Freedom card? How much of that CL was tied up in the BT money? Did Chase give you hard time about the Freedom card app? I'm asking b/c I have a $43K balance on one of my 3 Chase cards (~88% utilization), but this $250 offer is too sweet to pass by.


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WashWest101 said:Thanks for your interest, Pakaderm. There's not a whole lot to report. I am making minimum payments and watching the interest add up. It doesn't take much work, after the BT harvesting is done. I set up a spreadsheet with due dates and whatnot, but I don't really use it, since the CC and Yodlee both tell me when new bills are ready to be paid. (With only 8 BT cards, this is manageable.)

Credit scores are: TU-692, Exp-704, EQ-794. Not all BT balances have hit, so they may drop a little bit more.

I pulled all 3 reports with TrueCredit every day for the first 6 weeks, now about every 3 days. No inquiries have been bumped off yet.

Still waiting for a check from cardoffers.com.


Looks like things worked well for you. Even at this point you have three scores at or above 700 which is still considered A credit to most lenders etc. I pull TrueCredit daily. I have been able to knock some inqs off in time for my first organized offical AOR. I will probably apply for a similar number of cards as you have....Robert


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cyberkost said:WashWest, I see that you successfully jumped on the Chase Freedom $250 bandwagon ... If you feel comfortable sharing this info, how large a CL did you have on the two Chase cards you had prior to applying for the Freedom card? How much of that CL was tied up in the BT money? Did Chase give you hard time about the Freedom card app? I'm asking b/c I have a $43K balance on one of my 3 Chase cards (~88% utilization), but this $250 offer is too sweet to pass by.
Cyberkost,

I had a total of $18k CL on my other two Chase cards, with a combined balance of ~$8600. I've heard nothing from Chase - I applied, got deferred, then saw the card when I logged into Chase.com a few weeks later.

Not much to update re the AOR. Got my check from CardOffers.com. No adverse action from any issuers. Still making minimum payments and earning a little interest each month. Doesn't take too much time to maintain.


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