New 2% Cash Back Credit Card

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I posted HSBC Weekend Card 2 months ago, and it seems that it brought a lot of troubles to our FWers.
Sorry to the FWers who are still fighting with HSBC.

However, here is another good deal from HSBC. Because it is straight 2% Cash Back, I hope it is fine this time.

I received an e-mail from Orchard to offer a 2% Cash Back MasterCard.
This card is different from the card which was well discussed in this forum and offer extreme low credit limit.

I remember the old 2% card does not have rewards cap, but this one has a $400 limit annually.

Follow this link to apply the card
http://ebusiness.householdaccount.com/277898371.652068.0.41114

Follow the link in the middle of that page to read the details about their cards.
After filling up the pre-application, you may be offered one of their three cards.

Five in my family applied the card, here is the result:
1. Offered card without annual fee, Instant Approved, $2000
2. Offered card without annual fee, Deferred, Approved, $2000
3. Offered card without annual fee, Denied
4. Offered card with annual fee, did not apply
5. Offered card with annual fee, did not apply

Although the approved CLs are not high, $2000 is an acceptable number.

Credit status for each person, everyone has good history
1. Carry $30K balance, no HSBC card, most recent credit applied in 09/2006 (2 CC).
2. Carry $25K balance, no HSBC card, most recent credit applied in 03/2007 (1 CC & $22K car loan)
3. Carry $20K balance, HSBC Cash Back, most recent credit applied in 04/2007(2 CC & $24K car loan)
4. Carry $4K balance, got approved HSBC Weekend & Chase Freedom Visa Signature in 04/2007.
5. Low balance, just done the first AOR with approved HSBC Weekend two week ago.

Good luck to the FWers who are interested in this card.



Does this result in a hard or soft pull?


I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS SOFT PULL

"Notice:
By completing the Pre-qualification Form and clicking on the Continue Application button, you are giving HSBC Bank Nevada, N.A. written authorization to access your credit profile for Pre-qualification purposes and no other."

Nummerkins said: Does this result in a hard or soft pull?


Offered a card with a $40 annual fee...probably not worth it for me right now.


Offered one with a $39 annual fee or a $35 annual fee with a $200 deposit to secure my credit line. Wow!


ooops, Offer me this one...

The Orchard Bank Premium Platinum MasterCard, issued by HSBC, offers great everyday pricing and:

2% Cash Back on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
0% Introductory APR on Purchases and Balance Transfers for 6 months
$0 Annual Fee
Premium Platinum MasterCard benefits
24/7 online account management tools
$0 Fraud Liability

_____________

finally approved (one soft pull and one hard pull shows on my experian report half an hour after approved)
thank you minggang
but,...

credit limit is only $300 (faint, my cl of other bank upto $10k)


zoym said: The Orchard Bank Premium Platinum MasterCard, issued by HSBC, offers great everyday pricing and:

2% Cash Back on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
0% Introductory APR on Purchases and Balance Transfers for 6 months
$0 Annual Fee
Premium Platinum MasterCard benefits
24/7 online account management tools
$0 Fraud Liability
Got this one too, but $2k is hardly worth it. I've still got a bevy of 5% cards running around at the moment (Chase, Citi, Advanta).

Actually, upon 2nd look, I also got 2 offers. I asks me to choose. The other is:
The Orchard Bank Premium Secured MasterCard, issued by HSBC, is a great way to build credit and comes with:

2% Cash Back earnings on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
Requires a minimum $200 deposit to secure your credit line
Earns you interest on your deposit
Reports your good credit behavior to 3 major credit bureaus
Comes recommended by financial advisors
Has no processing fee and a low $35 annual fee.

Still not worth it.


Another plus I saw to this card that hasn't been mentioned is that this card has a 1% ForEx fee. If their exchange rate is good, I think this is a huge plus as well.


hsbc cc always has 1% foreign exchange fee.

dragoon976 said: Another plus I saw to this card that hasn't been mentioned is that this card has a 1% ForEx fee. If their exchange rate is good, I think this is a huge plus as well.


I got this card a few months ago and consolidated my other low credit limit HSBC card into this account. This consolidation doubled the credit line (still too low by my reckoning) but resulted in a hard pull.

yeastbeast


minggang,

Could you please post the email you've received? I've tried to call them but they ask for more details that I can provide.

Thanks.


Offered the good non-secured, no fee, 6 month 0% APR and then denied. Dirty bastards. I did an APR in March, so I had $80,000 in debt so it was mostly just stupid on my part.

Did anybody figure out if you could just keep doing the first step as bumpage?


mattun said: Offered the good non-secured, no fee, 6 month 0% APR and then denied. Dirty bastards. I did an APR in March, so I had $80,000 in debt so it was mostly just stupid on my part.

Did anybody figure out if you could just keep doing the first step as bumpage?


Haha, you beat me to it. I was offered the good card as well. I have two other 2% cards but one of them is already in grandfather status. I'm carrying $50K in debt that shows up on my report at the moment. I figured the soft pull saw that and offered me the card anyway.

Stupid me, thought I might sneak it in. Oh well, I'm still 10 months away from applying for cards again.


mattun said: Offered the good non-secured, no fee, 6 month 0% APR and then denied. Dirty bastards. I did an APR in March, so I had $80,000 in debt so it was mostly just stupid on my part.

Did anybody figure out if you could just keep doing the first step as bumpage?


Useless soft-pulling; they pull experian


To maximize the Cash Back on an annual basis, you would have to spend $20K a year. With a 2K CL, you would have to get near the CL each month and pay as soon as you receive the statement in order to reach 20K a year. (That would be a red-flag of revolving high utilization.)

For those that have received the card with an annual fee, see if you will spend enough to make back fee. You would be better off getting a non-reward card that doesn't change an annual fee.


Crap, got offered:

The Orchard Bank Premium Platinum MasterCard, issued by HSBC, is a great way to build credit and comes with:

2% Cash Back earnings on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
Premium Platinum MasterCard benefits
A choice of payment due dates
Periodic credit line increase reviews
Complimentary online account management
No processing fee and a low $39 annual fee


The Orchard Bank Premium Secured MasterCard, issued by HSBC, is a great way to build credit and comes with:

2% Cash Back earnings on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
Requires a minimum $200 deposit to secure your credit line
Earns you interest on your deposit
Reports your good credit behavior to 3 major credit bureaus
Comes recommended by financial advisors
Has no processing fee and a low $35 annual fee


But no annual-free card.


telflonmail said: To maximize the Cash Back on an annual basis, you would have to spend $20K a year. With a 2K CL, you would have to get near the CL each month and pay as soon as you receive the statement in order to reach 20K a year. (That would be a red-flag of revolving high utilization.)

For those that have received the card with an annual fee, see if you will spend enough to make back fee. You would be better off getting a non-reward card that doesn't change an annual fee.


My Household 2% card has no problem with mid cycle payments and even prepayments greater than the amount owed. Since Household and Orchard are both owned by HSBC I would assume the same policies would apply in this case.


Here is the whole e-mail below the link of the card application. I do not know if D246 at the bottom of this message is the offer code or not.

***************************************************************************************************************************

♦ You will receive 2% earnings redeemable for cash (with a maximum of $400 annually) on new net retail purchases charged to this credit card. Cash redemptions can be claimed in increments of $25 USD only. Upon approval, you will receive the Rewards Terms and Conditions.

Rates accurate as of May 17, 2007. Offer subject to credit approval. You may qualify for the 0% Introductory APR on purchases and balance transfers upon your creditworthiness. The Introductory APR does not apply to cash advances. After the Introductory period ends, or if during the Introductory period a Minimum Payment is past due or your account exceeds the credit limit, the Introductory APR will increase to the variable Customary APR for purchases which will be between 14.9% and 15.99% depending on your creditworthiness. The variable Cash APR for cash advances, including credit card checks is 25.15%. The variable Default APR is 30.49%. A cash advance fee of 5% ($10 minimum) will apply to cash advances and balance transfers, unless otherwise disclosed. The minimum finance charge is $2. The annual fee will be between $0 and $79. The foreign transaction fee is 1% of the U.S. dollar amount on transactions made in a foreign currency. We apply payments to lower APR balances before higher APR balances.

Rush Processing is not available on all cards. If you select Rush Processing, a fee will apply.

Please note that we have the right to change your APRs, fees, and other terms at any time for any reason in accordance with the Cardmember Agreement and applicable law. See disclosures within the online application process.

Legal
The Orchard Bank MasterCard is issued by HSBC Bank Nevada, N.A. and is serviced by HSBC Card Services, Inc. and/or HSBC Card Services (II), Inc.

It is our goal to provide you with the MasterCard that best fits your credit rating and you may be offered a Secured MasterCard. The Terms and Conditions will be disclosed to you before your application is processed.

About This Message
This email was sent to: XXXXXXXX@GMAIL.COM. If you do not wish to receive future emails about credit card products available from Orchard Bank, please click here to unsubscribe.

Privacy/Security
HSBC Bank Nevada, N.A. is committed to safeguarding your privacy online. If you would like more details, please visit Orchard Bank's Privacy and Security Information at orchardbank.com.

Orchard Bank Correspondence
1441 Schilling Place
Salinas, CA 93912

Copyright 2007 HSBC Card Services, Inc.

D246(cell_11_stepup)


Awesome Deal. Offered $0 annual fee but

Unfortunately, we are unable to approve your application. You will receive a letter with further information within the next ten days.


Same here... was offered the 2% Cash Back card with $0 annual fee, but then flat-out denied. How is it they can look at my credit report for "pre-qualification purposes" and determine that I am qualified, but then 2 seconds later they reject my application?


So they can bait you into authorization to collect your full information?

My guess would be the soft gives them a credit score that looks good and then they reject it because of too much debt or recent inquires when they do the hard pull (at least that's the theory on why mine was rejected with my scores still keeping their chins over 700 after the AOR).


All I know is that I have over 40k in BT debt, and 5 inquiries on my experian report (before applying for this card). Yet, I got approved.


FWIW I was instantly approved for the unsecured 2% back card, no annual fee, $2k limit. The soft-pull result screen gave me the option of applying for this one or a no-fee secured card (with I think $300 toward securing).

I am currently carrying about $27k on other 0% offers. Based on posts so far, it seems the more you are currently carrying, the more likely you are to be approved for the no-fee unsecured 2%-back card.


I was offered the 2% Cash Back card with $0 annual fee 6mo 0% APR, but then denied.


chrisjs typed: I am currently carrying about $27k on other 0% offers. Based on posts so far, it seems the more you are currently carrying, the more likely you are to be approved for the no-fee unsecured 2%-back card.This could be the case, I have no BT money, and DO have an HSBC account!!! But still didn't get the annual-free card offer.


daregan said: chrisjs typed: I am currently carrying about $27k on other 0% offers. Based on posts so far, it seems the more you are currently carrying, the more likely you are to be approved for the no-fee unsecured 2%-back card.This could be the case, I have no BT money, and DO have an HSBC account!!! But still didn't get the annual-free card offer.
I have 65K at 0% and was denied


therivler1 said: I was offered the 2% Cash Back card with $0 annual fee 6mo 0% APR, but then denied.

Same here. I do not know why I keep trying with HSBC.


I carry no balance, I put annual income at 70k with an HSBC savings account. last hard pull was back in november 2006

I got annual fee of $39


Are you sure this deal is different than the old one?

Anyway, I got declined for the no annual fee version, called them up (call the application status #: 1-877-707-3605... you'll get through right away instead of spending 1 hour on hold), they said I was declined because I'm only allowed 1 HSBC card and I already had one. Weird. So I closed that card and then called back the application status line. They re-opened the application and it was approved without an additional hard pull. $1k limit ($200k HHI).

I got this offer after taking out a large BT that lowered my score. I believe that, as usual, they are targeting scores around 700 and that's when you'll likely get the no annual fee offer. Even with low CL this is nice with no fee.

For those of you declined, call up and ask why.


okwiater said: Same here... was offered the 2% Cash Back card with $0 annual fee, but then flat-out denied. How is it they can look at my credit report for "pre-qualification purposes" and determine that I am qualified, but then 2 seconds later they reject my application?
Are you accusing them of being stupid? What possible motive could they have for being stupid?


Got approved for the non-secured, no fee, 6 month 0% APR card, with a credit line of $750.

Green for the OP


JohnGalt69 said: Are you sure this deal is different than the old one?

Anyway, I got declined for the no annual fee version, called them up (call the application status #: 1-877-707-3605... you'll get through right away instead of spending 1 hour on hold), they said I was declined because I'm only allowed 1 HSBC card and I already had one. Weird. So I closed that card and then called back the application status line. They re-opened the application and it was approved without an additional hard pull. $1k limit ($200k HHI).

I got this offer after taking out a large BT that lowered my score. I believe that, as usual, they are targeting scores around 700 and that's when you'll likely get the no annual fee offer. Even with low CL this is nice with no fee.

For those of you declined, call up and ask why.


Thanks OP!
Got approved after closed my other HSBC CC.


Is it just me, or are the results horrible for this? Doesn't seem worth the hard pull!


alchemize said: Is it just me, or are the results horrible for this? Doesn't seem worth the hard pull!

Yeah. They seem to be playing games. I called the number above and asked why I was denied. They said I had too many accounts with them. They listed a Best Buy card that I opened over a year ago (attempting to get the 2% card) and then immediately closed. She looked into it and came back saying I was approved for $750. Weird stuff! I asked to confirm the 0% offer and 2% Cash Back. I guess I will keep my fingers crossed and see if I get a card in 10-14 business days.


JohnGalt69 said: Are you sure this deal is different than the old one?

Anyway, I got declined for the no annual fee version, called them up (call the application status #: 1-877-707-3605... you'll get through right away instead of spending 1 hour on hold), they said I was declined because I'm only allowed 1 HSBC card and I already had one. Weird.


Thanks for the phone number and info!


JohnGalt69 said: Are you sure this deal is different than the old one?

Anyway, I got declined for the no annual fee version, called them up (call the application status #: 1-877-707-3605... you'll get through right away instead of spending 1 hour on hold), they said I was declined because I'm only allowed 1 HSBC card and I already had one. Weird. So I closed that card and then called back the application status line. They re-opened the application and it was approved without an additional hard pull. $1k limit ($200k HHI).

I got this offer after taking out a large BT that lowered my score. I believe that, as usual, they are targeting scores around 700 and that's when you'll likely get the no annual fee offer. Even with low CL this is nice with no fee.

For those of you declined, call up and ask why.


Here is the link for the old Orchard 2% Card, which does not have annual cap on rewards.
http://www.landing.orchardbank.com/media/disclosure?cmd_1page=&indicator=OB007&media=

Here are discussions about the old 2% card.
http://beta.fatwallet.com/t/52/672583/


secured 1k with 35$ annual fee, no bad(hoping to get free waived later)


OP,

your link is better than the old one (or is it me the reason why I got the no-fee offer w/ 6 mo 0% ?).
Did not pursue further, I have a new 0% HSBC card and an old one, so I don't think it will fly (trying to limit my EXP pulls).

Thanks anyway for the tip!


daregan said: Crap, got offered:

The Orchard Bank Premium Platinum MasterCard, issued by HSBC, is a great way to build credit and comes with:

2% Cash Back earnings on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
Premium Platinum MasterCard benefits
A choice of payment due dates
Periodic credit line increase reviews
Complimentary online account management
No processing fee and a low $39 annual fee


The Orchard Bank Premium Secured MasterCard, issued by HSBC, is a great way to build credit and comes with:

2% Cash Back earnings on credit card purchases - up to $400 annually!
Requires a minimum $200 deposit to secure your credit line
Earns you interest on your deposit
Reports your good credit behavior to 3 major credit bureaus
Comes recommended by financial advisors
Has no processing fee and a low $35 annual fee


But no annual-free card.


Same here, Crap!


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