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Cyberkost, you just described my plan exactly. And it's basically what I did with my couple of business cards on my previous AOR.

A random AOR thread is arguably not the place to discuss this target. I'm not sure if there is a thread that has a 101 course on how to run the minimum possible business for AOR purposes. lhendricks started a good thread on business credit here but it doesn't seem to focus so much on nuts and bolts.


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Excellent post! I am an avid reader of the FW forum. I find the whole AOR stuff very exciting....but haven't tried to do one yet as dont have enough time to manage all the finances during my residency......only one missed payment can be deadly.......
I have fastened my seatbelt on this one...................good luck.


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if you apply for Amazon business (suck card) they put "BUSINESS ACCOUNT" down lol for you. keep the name and ph# consistent they do have business credit reporting.


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That's the way it is done exactly. You don't register with the state as a sole proprietor doing business under your own name. The income you earn on the savings account is taxed as personal income.

Someone asked if you get to write off the interest. The answer is, no. Credit card interest is treated as personal interest regardless of what you are using it for and is not deductible. I am only 60 percent sure of that answer. But if you think about it, how could it be any other way? The auditors would go nuts if people started claiming their credit card interest was for business purchases or for investments. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with claiming the BT fee as an investment expense on your tax return. The money is used to invest, in a way, even if its not put in a brokerage account. But the fees are pretty small in any given year so I never tried to deduct them.


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There is no definition of 'credit card interest' in any IRS instruction I've ever seen. I'm not sure why this belief that 'credit card interest' is treated specially continues to be so pervasive.


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WalStMonky said:There is no definition of 'credit card interest' in any IRS instruction I've ever seen. I'm not sure why this belief that 'credit card interest' is treated specially continues to be so pervasive.because at one point in time, personal interest was deductible and that was generally, "credit card interest".

IRS Tax Topic 505 Interest Expense said:You cannot deduct personal interest. Personal interest includes interest paid on a loan to purchase a car for personal use, credit card and installment interest incurred for personal expenses. Try telling the IRS that the BT was not for 'personal use' but was instead a business expense.


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I've actually deducted 'credit card interest' back in the days when it was all deductible. That was 25 years ago. Again, I don't have a clue why the myth persists.

I'll be happy to have my CPA tell the auditor that interest paid for non-personal expenses is deductible. I borrow the money with the sole intent of making a taxable profit. I've been deducting 'credit card interest' since 1998 and my CPA sure doesn't bat an eyelash. In the meantime, you are free to pay more taxes if you are truly so wimpy that you think you can be screwed in spite of being in compliance with the rules.


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Hey, back in the day loans on your personal vehicle were also deductible. Why don't we ever hear that businesses can deduct interest paid on vehicle loans nowadays?


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Nice list of cards...good luck!

Sorry if this is OT...

Any other card offer from Chase like the Sony/Chase w/ $100 credit? I'm looking to apply for two Chase cards -- the Sony w/ $100 and looking for one more Chase card preferably a Business card which gives some sort of bonus.

Did a search but haven't found one. Chase freedom w/ 250 seems gone.

I keep receiving pre-approved offers for the Chase Business w/ premium cash rebate (like 2 solicitations per week) but no bonus... wondering if I should get it (it also has 0% 12mo w/ $75 max BT fee).

nm. found creditcard bonus thread ..http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=52&threadid=643297


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plasticity, the Sony card seems to be Chase's hottest deal at the current moment. (Heck, once in a while it's a $150 bonus). Some other Chase cards in the mega bonus thread list $50 bonuses, if that's what you're looking for. And all kinds of Chase cards have a 6 or 12mo 0% period with a $75 fee.

In my case, I really hope I get the Sony card, it was the only personal card I applied for. Not getting it might constrain my reallocation shenanigans.

Also, I got an email from Citibank saying I was approved for the CitiBusiness PremierPass card (unknown CL). I breathed a sigh of relief, not because Citibank acceptances were unexpected (I applied for 5 cards from them, after all), but getting that first business card acceptance gives me BOTH a 0% offer, AND potentially a place where I can allocate fundamentally all of my citibank credit to. Yeehaw.


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.. but don't PremierPass cards (personal certainly are, not sure about business) belong to those with "no preset limit"? I wonder how reallocation *to* such a card may work.


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i have been follwing AOR for some time now as i would like to begin my AOR in a month or so, and i would like to say that this is a well written AOR (not to say others aren't).

i have a question though. i have noticed alot of AOR's include business cards. can you apply for a business card without having a business?? sounds like a weird question but i dont know if all who apply for these are business owners or have access to the funds for which the companies purchase goods. i also understand that business cards do not have the same effect on your credit score as they are business cards and not personal (reporting of the credit limit's and usuage).

Thank you in advance!

Celta001


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[/Q said:markkundinger]

1) The HSBC card I was approved for has a $600 limit. No, I didn't make a typo. Multiple hundreds of dollars are now at my disposal! I quiver at the thought of what I'd have to invest that $600 in to recoup the $99 advance fee. (Actually, I'd be investing $500 after the fee was deducted). But seriously, I do already have a GM flexcard, and so besides HSBC's general schizo-ness, they may have dinged me for having the other card. I'm just glad I saved them until late in the AOR process, I hope the more desirable cards got their inquiries in before HSBC's.

I also just experienced this with my mom's AoR, but even worse! She applied for the HSBC Platinum card and was instantly approved (no cl given at the time), then applied for the HSBC GM Flex card and was deferred. When I checked the status yesterday, it said now she is DENIED for the Platinum card after already being approved and that she was approved for the GM Flex card for a whopping $700 cl. Sweet HSBC! (maybe they are running out of Cl's to give due to all of us!)


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celta001 said:i have been follwing AOR for some time now as i would like to begin my AOR in a month or so, and i would like to say that this is a well written AOR (not to say others aren't).

i have a question though. i have noticed alot of AOR's include business cards. can you apply for a business card without having a business?? sounds like a weird question but i dont know if all who apply for these are business owners or have access to the funds for which the companies purchase goods. i also understand that business cards do not have the same effect on your credit score as they are business cards and not personal (reporting of the credit limit's and usuage).

Thank you in advance!

Celta001

See my post on the second page of this post about 2/3 the way down about applying for business cards. And yes, business cards are not reported on your personal credit report (but they do pull it for approval and you do get an inquiry).


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I forgot to mention what I reported as business income on my business card credit reports... it was very small, about $3k (as I don't really have a business). I added it to the OP.

cyberkost said:.. but don't PremierPass cards (personal certainly are, not sure about business) belong to those with "no preset limit"? I wonder how reallocation *to* such a card may work.

The PremierPass is indeed a NPSL card, and doesn't report a credit limit. I'm trebly not worried about it, for the following reasons:

1) The business card doesn't show up on the credit report at all.
2) Good chance I'll end up maxing out the balance with a BT, so the reported "high balance" will nearly match the credit limit.
3) Since I don't want to pay the annual fee, I'll end up closing/converting the card within a year.


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Mike R. thank you, i read it and it answered all of my questions! i am preparing for my AOR. Right now i am in the stage of increasing all of my credit lines with soft pulls and just sorting out which apps i will fill out.

Thanks!

Celta001


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markkundinger said:
cyberkost said:.. but don't PremierPass cards (personal certainly are, not sure about business) belong to those with "no preset limit"? I wonder how reallocation *to* such a card may work.

The PremierPass is indeed a NPSL card, and doesn't report a credit limit. I'm trebly not worried about it, for the following reasons:

1) The business card doesn't show up on the credit report at all.
2) Good chance I'll end up maxing out the balance with a BT, so the reported "high balance" will nearly match the credit limit.
3) Since I don't want to pay the annual fee, I'll end up closing/converting the card within a year.

Paranoid, as I am, I was coming at this from a different angle: what are your actions going to be if you try to reallocate CL to this PremierPass card and one CSR after another tells you smth. like "you can't really shift your CL to this card b/c it already has infinite CL (NPSL)"? Or reallocating to NPSL cards is a proven thing that leads to the increase of the "revolving credit line" (or whatever they call the threshold on the NPSL cards) and I'm just falling behind here?


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Sorry for a noob question, but I just started reading about AOR 15 minutes ago
What does reallocation ( CL?) exactly means?


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0hieuem said:Sorry for a noob question, but I just started reading about AOR 15 minutes ago
What does reallocation ( CL?) exactly means?

Read some about it and how to do it here. Basically, you are moving some of a CL between cards from the same issuer without closing either. Consolidation would be the same while closing one (moving the entire CL).

CL = credit limit/line


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cyberkost said:markkundinger said:
cyberkost said:.. but don't PremierPass cards (personal certainly are, not sure about business) belong to those with "no preset limit"? I wonder how reallocation *to* such a card may work.

The PremierPass is indeed a NPSL card, and doesn't report a credit limit. I'm trebly not worried about it, for the following reasons:

1) The business card doesn't show up on the credit report at all.
2) Good chance I'll end up maxing out the balance with a BT, so the reported "high balance" will nearly match the credit limit.
3) Since I don't want to pay the annual fee, I'll end up closing/converting the card within a year.


Paranoid, as I am, I was coming at this from a different angle: what are your actions going to be if you try to reallocate CL to this PremierPass card and one CSR after another tells you smth. like "you can't really shift your CL to this card b/c it already has infinite CL (NPSL)"? Or reallocating to NPSL cards is a proven thing that leads to the increase of the "revolving credit line" (or whatever they call the threshold on the NPSL cards) and I'm just falling behind here?

I've done this twice recently.


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