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Xeon852
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Jul. 24, 2007 @ 7:24p
craig10x said:I was just wondering what would happen if you had a zero balance in the My Smart Cash checking, and you went to an ATM to do a withdrawal....I understand that if you do a bill pay, or paper check is getting paid, fidelity will automatically sell shares of your 5% MM Fund to cover it, but if you do a withdrawal or debit card purchase with the Fidelity Debit Card, wouldn't the transaction be rejected?
I would assume that the atm machine or the store's debit/credit card reader would just see the zero balance and reject the transaction...or am i wrong? So, wouldn't you still need to keep enough in Checking to cover such transactions? I don't think it works that way - the balance number you see on your receipt doesn't effect the transaction. Many banks will let you overdraft your checking account into either a credit account or funded by another bank account (ie savings), and they would allow these transactions to go through. |
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craig10x
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 24, 2007 @ 7:40p
if it would work that way in this set-up xeon852, then in effect you could easily make this a 5% plus Account, by using another Fidelity MM Fund (like Select or Cash Reserves) as it's "back-up" to cover everything..... Then, the lower APY of this (as compared to the Schwab) wouldn't be a disadvantage.....  |
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markkundinger
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Jul. 24, 2007 @ 8:32p
craig10x said:I was just wondering what would happen if you had a zero balance in the My Smart Cash checking, and you went to an ATM to do a withdrawal Based on experience with the similar Schwab product, the Checking can have a zero balance, and debit or ATM withdrawals will simply overdraft transfer like crazy. Fidelity's implementation depends on Fidelity, of course. |
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vkva
- Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 25, 2007 @ 12:42a
Does anyone know if we have to open this special kind of account new OR could an existing brokerage account be marked as "smartCash" by just getting the ATM and check writing features enabled on it? |
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craig10x
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 25, 2007 @ 11:55a
vkva said:Does anyone know if we have to open this special kind of account new OR could an existing brokerage account be marked as "smartCash" by just getting the ATM and check writing features enabled on it? We don't have all the details yet, but no doubt you will be able to apply for and add this in to your current brokerage account......exactly how you would add it on, we should know once all the details are released.... I tried e-mailing them to ask if the "core" mm fund could be used instead of the new checking product for this, but haven't gotten a reply yet... |
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craig10x
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 26, 2007 @ 12:44a
Update..more info is now available on the Fidelity website, which makes me think they are getting ready to launch on August 1st with this.... If you go to the information section of bill pay, you will see buttons on the left about various "cash management" products offered including this new "My Smart Cash Account"....there is even a faq section, but not all questions will be answered from reading this.... Once it launches, officially, i guess we will know alot more.....  Let us not forget that you use to have to have at least $5,000 to get the debit card and $500,000 to get rebates, and even those were "capped" to $75 per year! With this new set-up...both requirements are eliminated and atm rebates are truly unlimited with no yearly cap! While the 3.5% apy is a bit disapointing, the 4% or better taxable equivelent in the "core municipal mm fund" and if you have the 5% Fidelity Select MM Fund also (or Cash Reserves) as your "sweep accounts" can turn this into a pretty attractive product....Not to mention the convenience of doing both your brokering and banking in the same place.... |
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LH2004
- Frivolous Member
posted: Jul. 26, 2007 @ 8:55a
craig10x said:While the 3.5% apy is a bit disapointing, the 4% or better taxable equivelent in the "core municipal mm fund" and if you have the 5% Fidelity Select MM Fund also (or Cash Reserves) as your "sweep accounts" can turn this into a pretty attractive product....Not to mention the convenience of doing both your brokering and banking in the same place....The interest rate card refers to "FDIC Insured Cash (Core)." That makes me think the deposit account is an alternative core account -- you can't keep a no-minimum-balance muni money market fund, which I really like, if you go with this. Maybe you could approach that by opening a completely separate Fidelity account with mySmart as the core, and setting your "real" Fidelity account as another "funding account." But that's not simplicity. |
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craig10x
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 26, 2007 @ 9:06a
I'm hoping for clarification on this soon..i did e-mail them about it, but since it hasn't officially launched yet, they may not have all the answers yet.... I did ask them if you could 1) use your municipal mm core with the SmartCash features, instead of the FDIC Checking product.... It is also possible they will let you 2) have it seperate but incorporated into your brokerage set-up as it is now, keeping both your original core and this new core as well....but then you would have to fully utilize the "sweeping" feature to move money in from MM Core (and any other MM Funds you decide to have) to the Checking Core..... The second item i mentioned i think they are going to let you do (at least it sounds that way) the first item i mentioned (which would be the most desirable) i am not sure about, but would be very nice if they would.... If i get a clarification on my e-mail response i will post it....  |
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craig10x
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Jul. 26, 2007 @ 2:35p
Update: I e-mailed and also "chatted live" with Fidelity...... 1) "My Smart Cash Account" is officially launching on August 1st, as i figured would be the case (since alot of info has been already added to the Fidelity website about it).... 2) I did ask the specific question as to whether you could use your CURRENT MM FUND CORE account instead of the new FDIC INSURED CHECKING PRODUCT, and get all the features of "My Smart Cash Account"....although the rep probably knows the answer, he stated that they are under strict orders not to discuss this account in detail until the actual launch date..... He mentioned that on August 1st and there after, you would be able to get the answer on this or any other questions you may have... 3) What IS CLEAR from the website info, is that, even if you have to actually have the bank product to get the great features, you WILL be able to sweep money in from your CORE MM FUND and any other MM Funds you have with Fidelity, automatically, to cover all transactions on your "My Smart Cash Account"..... So for those who are interested, we should be able to get the answer to question #2 on August 1st...  |
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scanchain
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 27, 2007 @ 11:29a
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vkva
- Ancient Member
posted: Jul. 30, 2007 @ 11:42p
I am planning to move my checking account from EverBank to this. Except for losing the free mail-back envelopes, I am not seeing any downside, by moving to mySmartCash. I plan to set mySmartCash with automatic transfers from brokerage account with a Fidelity Municipal Fund core and maintain a 0 balance in the mysmartcash account. Do you guys see any problems with that? |
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scanchain
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 30, 2007 @ 11:52p
vkva said:I am planning to move my checking account from EverBank to this. Except for losing the free mail-back envelopes, I am not seeing any downside, by moving to mySmartCash. I plan to set mySmartCash with automatic transfers from brokerage account with a Fidelity Municipal Fund core and maintain a 0 balance in the mysmartcash account. Do you guys see any problems with that? According to the information released so far, this seems to be OK. But no one knows for sure until the product is actually released (and someone tests it out!). |
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hair
- Greedy Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 12:56a
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LH2004
- Frivolous Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 1:48a
hair said:Not sure if this is ready to go... Found this link in the mySmartCash page source: https://accountsetup.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/mySCA/openAccountThanks! I now have an active mySmart account. It is a complete additional brokerage account, with the checking account as its core account in place of a money market fund. But that's OK; I'll just leave the account near-empty, linked to my existing brokerage account, where any cash will sit. A pain, but I'll take it for unlimited ATM fee reimbursement. |
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RadioActive
- Addicted Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 2:00a
Seems to work, I now have a "mySmart Cash Account" on my main login page. It'll be curious how the overdraft works if you keep all your savings in FSLXX and a couple bucks in the core checking account |
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LH2004
- Frivolous Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 2:02a
They are quite explicit that the self-funded overdraft protection will draw from available non-core money market funds in your other accounts, so this should be a nice way to get ATM, no-minimum checkwriting, etc. with a non-core-eligible money market fund. Edit to add: In fact, you may want to now have 3 Fidelity brokerage accounts: a mySmart cash account, a cash account where you keep your actual cash in a non-core-eligible money market fund, and a margin account. Set up the cash account as the first overdraft funding source for the mySmart, and the margin account second. That way, you could have access to margin borrowing to provide a real overdraft cushion, but circumvent their rule that margin is accessed before non-core money market funds. Even more needless complexity, buying us better returns. |
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StartingMoney
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 3:40a
LH2004 said:hair said:Not sure if this is ready to go... Found this link in the mySmartCash page source:
https://accountsetup.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/mySCA/openAccountThanks! I now have an active mySmart account.
It is a complete additional brokerage account, with the checking account as its core account in place of a money market fund. But that's OK; I'll just leave the account near-empty, linked to my existing brokerage account, where any cash will sit. A pain, but I'll take it for unlimited ATM fee reimbursement. Sweet, I might set one up tomorrow if I remember. Let us know if you run into any snags. |
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scanchain
- Senior Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 8:49a
LH2004 said:hair said:Not sure if this is ready to go... Found this link in the mySmartCash page source: https://accountsetup.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/mySCA/openAccountThanks! I now have an active mySmart account. It is a complete additional brokerage account, with the checking account as its core account in place of a money market fund. But that's OK; I'll just leave the account near-empty, linked to my existing brokerage account, where any cash will sit. A pain, but I'll take it for unlimited ATM fee reimbursement. I will ask the obvious: any hard pull? Thanks! |
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LH2004
- Frivolous Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 9:05a
scanchain said:I will ask the obvious: any hard pull? Thanks!No hard pull. |
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alchemize
- Thrifty Member
posted: Jul. 31, 2007 @ 9:54a
Nothing to setup for "Self Funded Overdraft Protection" correct? I can't find anything so I'm assuming it's automagic like it was with the core sweep... |
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