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jleung said:Current pending actions (8/22):

1. Should I call to request CLI on my existing Citi CCs now?
2. Should I call to request CLI on my existing Chase CCs now?
3. Should I call to check the application status of the Chase CCs? I am afraid something similar to Citi will happen, when they check how many cards I have applied in total.
4. I did not succeed in 2 of the business card applications: Advanta and Capital One. Are there any other business cards that I should still apply now?
5. Should I cancel my existing Capital One, wait for 48 hours, and apply for a new one?
6. Anyone has a better link to the Wamu business card application? My link in OP has 0% BT 12 months, max BT fee $75, but it doesn't seem to work. The one on the Wamu web site is 0% BT 6 months, no max BT fee.
7. Still need to deal with the AMEX Business Blue CL fiasco.

I DON'T KNOW if you have already called Chase to ask for CLI on your other accounts, if you have not called them yet.....GREAT because DO NOT. If they pull your report now and see "a million inquiries ", on your CR, the result may not be what you want. And if you are wondering what exactly is going on with Credit Card issuers, here is a link: (Chase is becoming the worst nightmare outside AMEX): USAA, CHASE are like the NO go to guys right now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118773982869404682.html?mod=money_page_left_hs


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Unless you are pulling your credit reports daily and can see that all of the hard inquiries have been made, I would give the apps a few days for slow lenders to pull credit before you request your CLIs. Maybe Friday or Monday. Once that comes, you can request CLIs on existing cards.

Note that you may be getting a since of if you're at the maximum credit ceiling for certain banks. If you think you've maxed out one bank, then I wouldn't worry too much about CLI requests.

BTW jleung, I'm proud of you. Schooling newbies on the right topics to search for info from within your own virgin AOR. Now the student has truly become the master.


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back off the CLIs - i agree.

as far as WaMu, my wife was recently denied on a WaMu business application because she had already applied for a WaMu personal within "the last 2 months."


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not to hijack your thread, but i don't quite get the logic of requesting CLIs on old cards if you're actively engaged in A.O.R's. Every lender has a maximum total CL they are willing to give you. You're essentially asking for CLIs by applying for new cards. Asking for ADDITIONAL CL on old cards has got to raise some red flags (and possibly cost you additional inquiries), with very little upside to the risk.


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That's a good point, the only guys you'd be likely to get a CLI from are from lenders otherwise "unengaged" by your orama: Patelco, Target, and Macy's.


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markkundinger said:That's a good point, the only guys you'd be likely to get a CLI from are from lenders otherwise "unengaged" by your orama: Patelco, Target, and Macy's.
FWIW, I was able to get CLI after my recent AOR from AMEX, Chase and BofA. I think it depends on the situation. Clearly if you've already got the max line that a bank will give you and don't have any bumpable inquiries to spare then it's not a good idea (especially with AMEX and Chase). But if you think you can get a higher line even after being approved for a new card from that issuer and don't mind the hard pull then go for it.


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markkundinger said:BTW jleung, I'm proud of you. Schooling newbies on the right topics to search for info from within your own virgin AOR. Now the student has truly become the master.Thanks for the comments. I am still a novice and I am just sharing what I am learning in the forum. There are still a lot to learn down the road.

To me, it is the game plan, tactics with different issuers, dynamic changes with rules of thumb, the ambiguous and inconsistent responses from the CSRs, the YMMV of the results that make AOR strategic and challenging.

It is a different kind of fun comparing with doing rebates. I mean those with multiple rebates, using coupons, and involving price match.

Another similarity between AOR and rebates is, both types of CSRs are as clueless and mis-informing.


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lhendricks92 said:as far as WaMu, my wife was recently denied on a WaMu business application because she had already applied for a WaMu personal within "the last 2 months."How much CL does she get? I only get $3,000.

When I ask the CSR if I can increase the CL, she said that for Wamu, the CL will not be increased upon customer's request. It is initiated by Wamu periodically based on the CC usage, etc.

Well, after talking to different CSRs in the AOR, I am not sure if I would just believe what she said.


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jleung said:When I ask the CSR if I can increase the CL, she said that for Wamu, the CL will not be increased upon customer's request. It is initiated by Wamu periodically based on the CC usage, etc.

Well, after talking to different CSRs in the AOR, I am not sure if I would just believe what she said.

That's also what I've been told by WaMu reps on 2 occasions.


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r0man said:jleung said:When I ask the CSR if I can increase the CL, she said that for Wamu, the CL will not be increased upon customer's request. It is initiated by Wamu periodically based on the CC usage, etc.

Well, after talking to different CSRs in the AOR, I am not sure if I would just believe what she said.

That's also what I've been told by WaMu reps on 2 occasions.

ditto. wife got an un-increase-able $4K line. best (only?) way to get a big initial line with WaMu is to use a targeted offer. from what i've gathered in this forum, it doesn't matter what your HHI is or if you request a BT.

i'm just hoping we're now in their "system," and maybe targeted offers will start to appear.


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lhendricks92 said:not to hijack your thread, but i don't quite get the logic of requesting CLIs on old cards if you're actively engaged in A.O.R's. Every lender has a maximum total CL they are willing to give you. You're essentially asking for CLIs by applying for new cards. Asking for ADDITIONAL CL on old cards has got to raise some red flags (and possibly cost you additional inquiries), with very little upside to the risk.Here is some of my logic:
1. I do not know if I have hit the maximum total CL. Maybe after the AOR I am still not at the max CL yet. Is there a way to check for each issuer?
2. Does EVERY issuer have a maximum total CL for each applicant? Does the max CL apply to personal and business CCs separately or together?
3. Request CLI can lower the overall utilization, even though I do not plan to use, e.g. Patelco.


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markkundinger said:That's a good point, the only guys you'd be likely to get a CLI from are from lenders otherwise "unengaged" by your orama: Patelco, Target, and Macy's.I requested a CLI from Patelco yesterday. My CL increases from $25,000 -> $50,000. I may only use it for BT laundry, but their no fee BT offer ends at the end of August. Their BT rate is 8.9%. Anyway, it is good to lower overall utilization.

I am not sure if I will request CLI for the department store CCs Target & Macy. I have a gut feeling that they really look at your previous purchases to increase the CL. Moreover, they may only grant a pitiful $1,000 or $2,000. Any experience from others?


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jleung said:lhendricks92 said:not to hijack your thread, but i don't quite get the logic of requesting CLIs on old cards if you're actively engaged in A.O.R's. Every lender has a maximum total CL they are willing to give you. You're essentially asking for CLIs by applying for new cards. Asking for ADDITIONAL CL on old cards has got to raise some red flags (and possibly cost you additional inquiries), with very little upside to the risk.Here is some of my logic:
1. I do not know if I have hit the maximum total CL. Maybe after the AOR I am still not at the max CL yet. Is there a way to check for each issuer?
2. Does EVERY issuer have a maximum total CL for each applicant? Does the max CL apply to personal and business CCs separately or together?
3. Request CLI can lower the overall utilization, even though I do not plan to use, e.g. Patelco.

Yes, I understand the benefits of higher limits. I'm just saying that the risk/reward trade-off should be considered. If I was CitiBank, and someone had just applied for 8 new cards AND wanted more credit on their existing lines, I might get spooked. I'm questioning if calling extra attention to your credit activities by requesting CLIs is worth it.

As Mark said, it's a different story with CLIs from other issuers that are 1) new to you or 2) less involved in your A.O.R. - go for it.

Nice job with Patelco CLI - did you have to send docs? If so, what, exactly?


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lhendricks92 said:Nice job with Patelco CLI - did you have to send docs? If so, what, exactly?Nothing. The CSR told me that a credit analyst should call me back within 24 hours. I haven't received any call, but when I log in the Patelco web site today, my CL becomes $50,000.

When I talked to the CSR, it seems that $50,000 is a boundary limit. If I request more, I may have to send docs or other proofs. But I didn't ask because I feel good enough if I can get $50,000.


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M&T Bank Business Platinum Rewards Card
- Got a call today (8/23). CSR asked the business name and I said I used my name as business name. And there is no business license. I told her I am selling stuff on eBay. Since I used the home address as the business address, she said that I need to submit lease agreement and pay stub.
- 15 minutes later, she got back. She talked to her supervisor and said that they need business license. Just selling something part time online is not considered as a business. They cannot continue to process my application. Application is denied.

Discover Miles Business
- Got a call today (8/23). CSR knew that I had a personal card and another personal card under application. He told me that no more new credit can be granted. I can either cancel the business card application, or wait until the new personal card is approved and re-allocate some credit limit to the business card.
- From this thread, sole proprietorship will have their business credit reported to the personal credit report. If this is the case, should I just drop this business card?

Citi® Platinum American Express® Card
- 8/23: Received email that application is denied due to > 2 applications within 60-day period.


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Apply 3 more cards today:

Baylor USBank Visa
HSBC Platinum Mastercard w/ Cash Back
Amazon.com Business Visa® Card

Also add these cards and links in the OP.


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If a business credit card isn't going to appear on a credit card, it doesn't matter if you said you're a sole proprietorship or an S-corp or whatever. They don't 'tweak' the credit reporting that much.

The USBank Baylor card seems like a good idea, since you didn't apply for any of their other cards, right? The GM Biz card is Chase, so that will be your third business app with them, it will be interesting to see how that turns out. And HSBC is always interesting to see if you get a chump credit line or not.


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If a business credit card isn't going to appear on a credit card, it doesn't matter if you said you're a sole proprietorship or an S-corp or whatever. They don't 'tweak' the credit reporting that much.I am not sure if it is going to appear on the credit report. From this thread, it seems that it will???? Or do I mis-interpret? So should I still get the Discover business card and allocate some CL from the personal card?
"Discover underwrites both business and personal credit together, so its very unlikely you will get much additional credit if you already have a fairly high (by Discover standards) personal credit line. "

The USBank Baylor card seems like a good idea, since you didn't apply for any of their other cards, right?No, I do not have any other USBank card.

The GM Biz card is Chase, so that will be your third business app with them, it will be interesting to see how that turns out. Again, this business AOR has 5 Chase business card applications, and they all get approved.

And HSBC is always interesting to see if you get a chump credit line or not.What is a chump credit line? Can you elaborate what HSBC's interest is here? Thanks.


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FYI, M&T is Elan, which is US Bank.


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Citi AT&T Universal Rewards Card
- 8/23: Got a call and CSR told me the CL of this card is $6,800. Can't request CLI, but I can re-allocate CL from other 3 cards:
1. Citi Universal: $9,600 -> $500 (I don't even know I still have this card)
2. Citi AA Advantage: $20,400 -> $2,000
3. Citi Dividend: $6,800 -> $500
- the total CL will be $6,800 + $ 9,100 + $18,400 + $6,300 = $40,600

The CSR did suggest me to consolidate and cancel some of the old cards, e.g. 1 & 2. Is it the concensus that it is better to keep the old cards with the minimum CL? Or should I consolidate and cancel 1, 2, and/or 3?


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