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It's excellent that they let you do all of your reallocation immediately to the new card, because it's difficult to do it after the fact.

The "safest" FW advice is simply to never close any cards ever, as long as they don't charge you an annual fee.

Personally, after getting an annoyingly large number of cards with one issuer, I'll try to close them as long as 1) I can move the credit line to another card, and 2) the card I'm closing isn't my oldest with the bank.


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jleung said:Citi AT&T Universal Rewards Card
- 8/23: Got a call and CSR told me the CL of this card is $6,800. Can't request CLI, but I can re-allocate CL from other 3 cards:
1. Citi Universal: $9,600 -> $500 (I don't even know I still have this card)
2. Citi AA Advantage: $20,400 -> $2,000
3. Citi Dividend: $6,800 -> $500
- the total CL will be $6,800 + $ 9,100 + $18,400 + $6,300 = $40,600

The CSR did suggest me to consolidate and cancel some of the old cards, e.g. 1 & 2. Is it the concensus that it is better to keep the old cards with the minimum CL? Or should I consolidate and cancel 1, 2, and/or 3?

Definitely keep the old cards open with the minimum CLs. You'll need some old cards open to counterbalance all the new ones, so your average age is a little older.

Please confirm that Citi actually reallocates your CLs. Some are complaining that Citi has become stingy with reallocations lately.


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DasBoot said:Definitely keep the old cards open with the minimum CLs. You'll need some old cards open to counterbalance all the new ones, so your average age is a little older.What is the significance of average age? Is it used by Citibank when they look at your CC age during new CC application, or is it used by all CC issuers in the credit report when they look at your new CC application, or both? And how significant is it?

DasBoot said:Please confirm that Citi actually reallocates your CLs. Some are complaining that Citi has become stingy with reallocations lately.I check my old Citi credit cards online. Their CLs had already been reduced to $2000 and $500. I suppose (and hope) that the CL is allocated to the new card.

markkundinger and DasBoot had different opinions on Citi card consolidation. What do the others say?


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jleung said:markkundinger and DasBoot had different opinions on Citi card consolidation. What do the others say?
The average age of accounts is a factor in your credit score. The longer the better.

Until recently, most of the FWF community thought that closing old accounts would negatively impact one's credit score because the average age of accounts would decrease. Recently there has been mounting evidence that even closed accounts are counted in the average age while they stay on the report for 7 years. There's a thread somewhere in FWF that explains how the FICO score is (allegedly) calculated. I think the average age of accounts constitutes 150 of the total 850 score.

To be safe, I keep accounts open unless there's a good reason not to. The only benefit to closing account without cause is to reduce clutter. The upside of keeping them open is that they can stay on your credit report more than 7 years and they might get a tasty 0% promo offer at some point in the future that you would miss if you closed them.


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not to hijack this thread but I just applied for my first BofA card through one the links above.
this was a platinum plus mastercard with 0% APR for BT for 12 months and no BT fee.
i'm surprised i did not get an instant approval.
i got the dreaded 'we will notify you within 30 days' message.
does this mean it's a denial?

i'm a homeowner with more than $150k in annual household income, $110k mortgage and except the $12k in mastercard charges this month (for mba school), I have no car and CC or any other debts.
i can easily payoff my $12k balance next month but I wanted to avail of this 0% offer since there is a lot of upside here and very little downside.
now, i'm confused what to do next.

should I apply for another 0% offer today and hope that atleast 1 of the 2 will be approved.
I was thinking about the hsbc offer (there is a $99 max BT fee).
the problem is, BofA bcoz they did not instantly approve are going to see that I also applied for HSBC and that may decrease my CL with them ( I just applied for $15k BT)
any thoughts?


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gordita, 'we will notify you within 30 days' does not mean denial. A lot of my CC applications in this AOR are still pending. If you read others' AORs, most people do not get instant approval on most of the cards.

You just have to wait and hear the final verdict.


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Maybe I should do an AOR too. But several cards on the list I have have them. Can I close and then do AOR?


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welphd said:Maybe I should do an AOR too. But several cards on the list I have have them. Can I close and then do AOR?For most of the cards, it is OK to own more than one. But for some (e.g. Advanta business), you can only have 1.


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National City
- 8/24: Got a call and CSR told me that both cards are approved.
- National City VisaŽ Business CL: $15,000
- National City Elite Visa CL: $12,500

The CSR told me that when I have all the information ready to perform the BT, it may be possible to negotiate a couple more thousands credit limit. We will see.


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AMEX:
- 8/24: Got a call and CSR told me that all the cards are approved.
- They were all instantly approved during application, but don't know CL at that time.
- AMEX IN: NYC CL: $10,000
- AMEX BUSINESS GOLD REWARDS CARD CL: NPSL
- American Express SimplyCashSM Business Card CL: $39,500 (actually $14,500 is from AMEX Business Blue, see below)

Re-allocate all the available CL (existing cards and new cards) to AMEX IN: NYC.
- AMEX Hilton HHonors Platinum: $24,900 -> $1,000
- American Express SimplyCashSM Business Card: $39,500 -> $1,000
- AMEX IN: NYC: $10,000 -> $72,400

In the last few days, this AMEX CSR had been investigating why my AMEX Business Blue CL went from $15,000 to $500 after I requested a CLI. She updated me every day. She checked with the credit department and finally confirmed that it is because they allocate the CL from the Business Blue to SimplyCash.


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great move on the AMEX card, will that card be for util only.


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jleung said:- AMEX IN: NYC: $10,000 -> $72,400
Please make sure to let us know when you get hit with the Financial Review.


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markkundinger said:Please make sure to let us know when you get hit with the Financial Review. What is the criterion of getting hit with FR here? Should I lower the CL to < $50,000?


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What is the criterion of getting hit with FR here? Should I lower the CL to < $50,000?

Check out the summary of this thread

Quote from the summary: "Why do so many people ask for 24,900 credit lines? Well, some who requested more have been reporting getting approvals to $25k, but further approval was contingent on supplying tax return and other asset information (and perhaps resulting in FR and closure of accounts if requested documents are not provided)."

But your CLI went through and AMEX didn't ask you to supply any income verification, so I think you're ok.

Edit: Oops, sorry, I just realize you re-allocated CL from your existing cards. So the above may not applicable....


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jleung said:What is the criterion of getting hit with FR here? Should I lower the CL to < $50,000?
No one knows. You might have already gotten yourself set up for one, just by reallocating credit to a line that large. Or maybe AMX will only FR you if you make a large advance on the card. Or maybe they won't FR you at all, no matter what you do.

One important consideration is the income you entered when applying for cards and/or CLIs. If AMX were to look at your 2006 tax forms, would that support whatever income you entered? If so, that makes the odds of surviving a FR better. If not, it makes them worse.

You basically need to juggle the odds of getting FR'd (which are unknowable), the odds of escaping adverse action (depends on verifiable income), and the menu of possible adverse action available, and how much that would hurt you.

In my orama, I was conservative in stating my income in applying, and I don't really care if AMX closes my cards, so I went for it and maxed out the card. I've already gotten a concerned letter from AMX after one month.

But if you want to reduce the (unknowable) odds of an FR, you may want to make a smaller advance on the IN card. Like under 70% or under 50%.


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jleung said:markkundinger said:Please make sure to let us know when you get hit with the Financial Review. What is the criterion of getting hit with FR here? Should I lower the CL to < $50,000?


With a creating a new 72K line I think you've gone way beyond risking a financial review. At this level you're almost guaranteed a full AM3X anal probing. If you wake up one morning with a sore abdomen, you'll know why.


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HSBC Platinum Mastercard w/ Cash Back
- Approved by checking here. CL = $600.

Can I call to ask for CLI? Has anyone got any success (or failed) story with HSBC?


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jleung said:HSBC Platinum Mastercard w/ Cash Back
- Approved by checking here. CL = $600.

Can I call to ask for CLI? Has anyone got any success (or failed) story with HSBC?

Typical HSBC. Who knows why these guys are so stingy with credit lines? One thread suggested this had to do with HSBC's U.S. credit card division originally being geared towards those with poor credit. Who can say for sure? But your experience is certainly a common one.


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With HSBC, I think it was MikeR managed to get a hold of an underwriter in their "credit services" department who reevaluated the app and gave a larger CL. Check out the "space monkeys" thread.

However, regular CSRs will tell you they don't do CLI requests. I just closed my card out of frustration rather than fight it.


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gorenbeinx said:With a creating a new 72K line I think you've gone way beyond risking a financial review. At this level you're almost guaranteed a full AM3X anal probing. If you wake up one morning with a sore abdomen, you'll know why.During the Pre-AOR, I have requested CLI to the existing AMEX Hilton Hhonors and AMEX Business Blue. The Hhonors CL was increased to $24,000 immediately, but the Business Blue CL did not get increased. I called AMEX 3 times. One of the 3 CSRs said that my Business Blue CL is approved for $25,000. In order to increase the CL to $34,900, I would need to fax the first 2 pages of the last 2 years tax form 1040 to AMEX Media at 1-801-945-7977. She gave me the Ref # as well. I faxed them the 1040 the next day.

Am I considered going through a financial review already?


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