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Definition of a shill, courtesy of WikipediaA shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims. Shills are often employed by confidence artists and governments.Our unmasked shills for this UFF scam tended to use straw man arguments to debate the scam. Your criticism of Ellory's medium was taken in the same light. Ironic, eh ?


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ellory said:This thread has a purpose, for people to post their numbers that UFF provided and then get an objective view of what they can do themselves so let's please stay on topic.

And please mark as red and do not respond to off topic posts - or this thread will get as swamped with off topic noise as the other ones


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icanselljesus said:again, as I have said all day long please show where I tried to promote a product in any way, shape or form. If you can I will apologize and move forward...funny you should say that given you accused ellory of the very same thing when he wasn't advertising anything either. It may sound like it is, but I guarantee that you sounded far more like the UFF shills than he sounded like a huckster. not accusing you of being a shill, just pointing out an irony.

somewhat off topic... what's the longest the finance forum has gone without an MLM/UFF/"looking for more information on <insert scam of the week>" thread being started? Few days maybe?


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New Mexico's state saying (ala state flower, animal etc) has recently been ratified to be "red or green ?"
Ellory's avatar is a hint to it's meaning.

Red for me, surely . I promise this will be my last off-topic post


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Don't crucify me for being new on here, you have to start somewhere. I have been reserching MMA since I have bought the system and surfing around the internet. When found this and I felt compelled to sign up and reply. The Money Merge Account is NOT a scam and the $3500 is an investment in my family's future. I will be completely debt free in 7.8 years and that includes a $22,000 loan for a BMW that is less than a year old and a $174,200 1st Mtg and a $74,000 2nd that was almost maxed when I started the program. As well as other credit card debt. It has given me a way to plan my future and my finances currently, as well as shown me how I can use the system to build up a very nice retirement. There is also a 100% Money Back Guarantee. This programwas paid for the 2nd month I was on it so everthing else is gravy. I could stop using it right now and still be further ahead than I was a few months ago. I don't understand why people attack something that you have not fully checked out and are commenting on what you think this is rather than what you know it is. I would like to know how many of you are doing this on your own,and achieving results anywhere close. I bet not one of you are. Also the coolest thing about MMA is that I am using the banks money to pay off my debt and keeping my money working for me!


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welcome new member (shill?)

If you arent a shill, you will follow the guidelines of this thread (repeated below)

This thread has a purpose, for people to post their numbers that UFF provided and then get an objective view of what they can do themselves so let's please stay on topic.


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I expected that. Not a shill just a happy customer.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:I expected that. Not a shill just a happy customer.Please follow the directions, stay on topic, and post your "happy customer" experience in this thread. Or post your numbers in this thread and we will happily show you how you have been taken. Unless you are a shill and then we will show everyone how you are taking advantage of and scamming people.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:Don't crucify me for being new on here, you have to start somewhere. I have been reserching MMA since I have bought the system and surfing around the internet. When found this and I felt compelled to sign up and reply. The Money Merge Account is NOT a scam and the $3500 is an investment in my family's future. I will be completely debt free in 7.8 years and that includes a $22,000 loan for a BMW that is less than a year old and a $174,200 1st Mtg and a $74,000 2nd that was almost maxed when I started the program. As well as other credit card debt. It has given me a way to plan my future and my finances currently, as well as shown me how I can use the system to build up a very nice retirement. There is also a 100% Money Back Guarantee. This programwas paid for the 2nd month I was on it so everthing else is gravy. I could stop using it right now and still be $70,000 further ahead than I was a few months ago. I don't understand why people attack something that you have not fully checked out and are commenting on what you think this is rather than what you know it is. I would like to know how many of you are doing this on your own,and achieving results anywhere close. I bet not one of you are. Also the coolest thing about MMA is that I am using the banks money to pay off my debt and keeping my money working for me!

Unlike the short sighted people here I say congratulations to you. Could you have done the same thing on your own ? Yes. Would it have been cheaper? Yes. Would you have? From what you say, no. So if $3500 spent by you helps you reach your goals that you would not have otherwise reached then good for you.

Some of these same jokesters on this board spent hundreds of thousand on private schools or out of state tuition when they could have gone to an in state public school and saved money. They have normal jobs (meaning they make $80,000 or less) that they could have obtained just as easily with that in state education. Did they waste their money? I guess so. If you are happy and you are on your way to your goals who am I to say that isn't $4,000-$5,000 (price you will pay extra over the long haul) well spent?


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mikef07 said:GiovanniGigiloMan said:

Some of these same jokesters on this board spent hundreds of thousand on private schools or out of state tuition when they could have gone to an in state public school and saved money. They have normal jobs (meaning they make $80,000 or less) that they could have obtained just as easily with that in state education. Did they waste their money? I guess so. If you are happy and you are on your way to your goals who am I to say that isn't $4,000-$5,000 (price you will pay extra over the long haul) well spent?


Thanks,
I only had a two year stint at NCSU chasing coeds 20 years ago. My sister however is a graduate from an private college in VA with a finance and accounting degree.She married a VP at Leeman Bros. I had them both take a look at this before I purchased it and it blew them away. They have just started using it. I will see them over Thanksgiving to look at their results after they make their first funds transfer this month. By the way they have a 1.5 million apt in SOHO.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:mikef07 said:GiovanniGigiloMan said: ...
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Please respect the OP's wishes and take it to the other thread. I've redded you because of the OP's wishes. Now everyone please red me too.


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I posted my numbers on my first reply. I then gave a positive response that is the truth on the next. DO you want me to lie and say only neagative things in here. Is that what Fat Wallet is all about?


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I see numbers in your post, but nowhere near enough to do any calculations. Insufficient data. Now, why in the world would people into the UFF scam be so resistant to posting a complete data set?

edit: LOL, nobody here is adamant about disproving it. That's water under the bridge a long time ago and we've even got the t-shirts to prove it.


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I am gathering my report right now to post in a minute. Why are you people so adament about disproving this, is it above your comprehension level?. I am an actual client.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:I am gathering my report right now to post in a minute. Why are you people so adament about disproving this, is it above your comprehension level?. I am an actual client.i would bet $1000 based on the name dropping that this story is not legit (researching after you bought?). he has no understanding of finance, only standard UFF talking points. 99.99% shill. Why are we adamantly trying to disprove? Most people try to help out people in need. People NEED to know the truth behind this. Can't wait to see your numbers...

Google results hurtin' ya business much?


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see this is the flaw with this thread. people dumb enough (sorry Gman, not a more accurate word to use there) to buy into MMA aren't smart enough to know what information to post.

what's your extra income you have available to apply towards debt? if you are paying off all your debt in 8 years, you have to have a LOT of it. What are the interest rates of the various debts you have? You didn't think that might be relevant?

This is why I say 99.99% sure this guy is a UFF shill. He only spouts the result, not what it actually takes to get there, IE, REAL PAYMENTS he has to make.

Everyone just happens "to be researching the product they just bought." Yeah, I'm going to go buy a few thousand dollars worth of stock......and then research the company.

Google search results ROCK!


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:
interest rates for all those loans would be useful, as well as your monthly net income and monthly net expenses before and after MMA. Also you seem to be leaving out something on your negative amortization first mortgage, so we'll need the terms of this ARM.


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From the OP Simply post the following and we will show how the MMA comes out behind what you can more easily do on your own.

How long does MMA say it will take until your mortgage is paid off?
What was the amount you owed on your mortgage when you began this program?
What is the total amount of interest you will pay by using this program? (This number should be in the total interest paid column on your analysis)
What is the interest rate of your mortgage?


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