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actually, letting others who surf in via google see the pattern of how a new user signs up to hype it, then degrades everyone, then gets fed up and leaves after he cant convince 1 other person to signup under him speaks volumes of the merit of this program.

Hopefully that factor wil; help assist casual readers see the true colors of those involved in this scam


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Have you ever thought that maybe you run people out of your little box because you are so paranoid someone might prove you wrong that you go on the attack right from the start. I bet you never go out in public. This is on the internet anyone can find it.

How Using the Money Merge Account is Better Than Any Other Loan or Investment Strategy…and Sure Beats the Pants Off “Doing-It-Yourself”

Beware the “financial professional” who criticizes the Money Merge Account without understanding how the software uses sophisticated algorithms to manage the money float and open-ended interest to your benefit.

Understanding how to pay your bills and put your income into your Home Equity Line of Credit only gets you half-way to success.

(Ever know that you should do something important like eat less fatty foods, exercise, pay your bills on time – but not quite get around to doing it?!?)

The Money Merge Account software is really important because it:

(a) manages your cash flow to pay off your mortgage and debt, and

(b) keeps you focused and motivated towards your goals.

Here’s how the Money Merge Account matches up with some of the other ways you might be thinking about using to build equity in your home. If after you read through them and you are able to match the software with a wild combination of 40 excel spreadsheets (Henry’s Dad tried…) then let us know.

#1. Money Merge Account vs. Bi-Weekly Payment Program

Bi-weekly payment programs only help you pay your mortgage off a little faster, usually in about 26 years. The Money Merge Account can often pay off a 30 year mortgage in a little as 8 – 11 years.

#2. Money Merge Account vs. Self-Payment Towards Principle

Some people say, “Well why don’t I just pay my discretionary income towards my principal myself?” And we sometimes reply, “Well, why aren’t you doing that now?”

Making small monthly payments towards your principal out of your check book is not as effective as making the bulk payments from your Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) when the software tells you to do so. Most people will never make those payments on their own any way since that means they would have no extra money in their checking or savings for emergencies.

Using the Money Merge Account software can keep you focused on the goal. When you use your HELOC like your checking account then you will usually always have money available in reserve if you need it for unexpected emergencies.

#3. Money Merge Account vs. Self-Payment Using HELOC

A few sharp clients of ours initially said, “Wow! I get the strategy of using my Home Equity Line of Credit…now why don’t I just make payments from it without using the software?”

We said, “Go for it!” The reality is that the software watches your income and expenses flow in and out of your HELOC and then times the bulk payments to maximize how fast you can pay off your mortgage.

We know a few people who’ve tried this and we’ve run some financial scenarios and the Money Merge Account software still beats even the most mathematically talented accountants by 4 to 5 years.


#4. Money Merge Account vs. Investing

This is a fascinating issue and is the one we are challenged the most on…usually by financial planners who are selling investments!

So our most experienced accounting partners ran some numbers…

….Using your discretionary income through the Money Merge Account to pay off your mortgage is almost always a lower risk way to save and earn more money than investing.
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EXAMPLE #1
Mortgage Amount: $200,000
Interest Rate/Term: 6%, 30 Year Fixed

Discretionary/ Savings Investment Interest Rate
Extra Income Using MMA Needed to Match MMA

$100 $875,297 15.95%

$300 $930,702 11.42%

$500 $1,086,945 9.78%

$1,000 $1,545,913 8.15%
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If you invest your extra money over 30 years instead of using the Money Merge Account, you need whopping returns to equal how much you can save and earn. Only if you have $1,000 per month in discretionary income AND can invest your money at 9.15% interest can you come close to tying the software’s savings.

Investment Strategy Assumptions

Risk #1. Will you invest your extra income every month?

Most people will not.

Risk #2. The stock market is out of your control.

Using the software and balancing your checkbook is easier than picking the right stocks.

Risk #3. Losing access to your “invested” money.

If you make most kinds of investments and you need money for emergencies or a major even happens in your life – you will not be able to use that money without penalties…and you might not be able to use it at all. Having a flexible Home Equity Line of Credit that you can take money allows room for your life’s changes.

Risk #4. Will you make the best financial decisions?

The Money Merge Account allows you to see how spending money on different things will affect how fast you will pay off your mortgage.

For example, say you want to take a vacation that will cost $2,000. You can plug that in to the software and it’ll tell you that it’s going to take 9 months longer to pay off your mortgage. Then you can make an informed decision about what to do. If you want to invest in stocks or real estate, you can put those numbers in and then decide.

Now what if the interest rate on the $200,000 loan is 8%?
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EXAMPLE #2
Mortgage Amount: $200,000
Interest Rate/Term: 8%, 30 Year Fixed

Discretionary/ Savings Investment Interest Rate
Extra Income Using MMA Needed to Match MMA

$100 $1,451,906 18.06%

$300 $1,494,822 13.53%

$500 $1,717,300 11.88%

$1,000 $2,373,143 10.19%
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Again, we see the same pattern. You have to have a very high discretionary income to be able to tie the Money Merge Account software's effectiveness.

Let's try a larger loan of $500,000 and see what happens...
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EXAMPLE #3
Mortgage Amount: $500,000
Interest Rate/Term: 6%, 30 Year Fixed

Discretionary/ Savings Investment Interest Rate
Extra Income Using MMA Needed to Match MMA

$100 $1,844,226 19.04%

$300 $1,652,656 13.97%

$500 $1,774,597 12.03%

$1,000 $2,203,073 9.85%
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Here’s the same $500,000 mortgage at 8% interest.

Discretionary/ Savings Investment Interest Rate
Extra Income Using MMA Needed to Match MMA

$100 $3,401,996 21.52%

$300 $2,917,119 16.39%

$500 $2,969,594 14.29%

$1,000 $3,639,510 12.14%

Again, you can see that even if you have $1,000 per month discretionary income (which many people do not have) you have to be a pretty savvy investor to generate a high enough rate of return to beat the Money Merge Account software.

Here’s the kicker though…

Remember how most people refinance after 7 years, or sell their home within 15 years?

Given this shorter time frame you need to invest at much, much higher interest rates to beat the Money Merge Account system. (We'll have these examples up for you on this page within a few days.)

#5. Money Merge Account vs. REAL ESTATE Investing

Many of us are real estate investors because investing in real estate IS one of the ways to beat the software. The reason is that if you continually buy real estate with basically the same money, you can get huge returns on investment.

For example, say you get a Home Equity Line of Credit for $100,000, and you use $50,000 of it to put down on a investment property. Once that property closes, you then pull that same $50,000 out of the 2nd home and buy a 3rd home with the same money. Repeat 10 times fast and you can earn 1,000% Rate of return on that initial $50,000. That’s the basic concept anyway. The reality of real estate investing though is much more challenging, and here are some of the risks…

Risk #1. Buying a property that doesn’t require a lot of repairs.

Risk #2. Buying in an area that will appreciate in value.

Risk #3. Attracting and keeping good tenants who pay rent.

Risk #4. Managing rental property expenses.

Risk #5. Re-selling the property.

Of course, the toughest thing for most people is that they are in competition with a lot of very smart investors who have their own money to invest and who work very hard. For most families, simply managing the money they already have is easier and more profitable then going out and trying to earn a fortune in real estate investing.

#6. Money Merge Account vs. Other Mortgages

There are several other companies who provide Home Equity Lines of Credit and say they can help you pay off your mortgage in as little as 1/3 to ˝ the time. This basically a hook to:

(a) get you to get your Home Equity Line of Credit with them, and then

(b) get your other mortgage and banking business.

None of these companies offer the exclusive Money Merge Account software which helps you optimize the use of your discretionary income AND keep you focused on your goals.

If you find another program you’d like to compare…we’d be happy to help you do it. If the other loan program does help you more than the Money Merge Account we’ll help you figure it out and happily recommend it to you. (We don’t make loans so it doesn’t matter to us who you get your HELOC through.)


#7. Money Merge Account vs. Other On-Line Downloads and Books You’ll Find on Google and Yahoo

This is really funny… Several entrepreneurs have figured out that people who are researching the Money Merge Account might be nervous about the cost of the software.

So, they just start advertising products that pitch a similar “solution” but at a really low price of $39.99 or $99.00 or even $1,199. Some even create graphics of lots of CDs and Books to give the impression that they are giving you something of great value.

They figure that you’ll buy their products on the “I-Might-As-Well” theory….as in, “If I’m going to spend that much, I might-as-well buy this cheapo thing first to see if it works.”

We can save you a few bucks by telling you that they all boil down to the same strategy of paying off the principal on your mortgage faster. Some recommend that you do so with your discretionary income (covered above) and others do recommend a HELOC. None have the powerful Money Merge Software.

#8. Money Merge Account vs. Mr. Spreadsheet

We all could try to do this ourselves with an excel spreadsheet, but who has the time…and we wouldn’t do it as well as the Money Merge Account. It’s like, driving to work. We pay a lot for a car and even a GPS system that will tell us how to get where we want to go. We don’t go build a car from scratch!


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:
How Using the Money Merge Account is Better Than Any Other Loan or Investment Strategy…and Sure Beats the Pants Off “Doing-It-Yourself”

The shill can cut and paste. Look out, unrefutable arguemnets follow. Run away.

Non-biased source (yeah right) of all shill knowledge

Except it doesn't beat the pants off do it yourself if your IQ is above 95.


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mhesidence said:GiovanniGigiloMan said:
How Using the Money Merge Account is Better Than Any Other Loan or Investment Strategy…and Sure Beats the Pants Off “Doing-It-Yourself”


The shill can cut and paste. Look out, unrefutable arguemnets follow. Run away.

Non-biased source (yeah right) of all shill knowledge

Except it doesn't beat the pants off do it yourself if your IQ is above 95.

If you can't beat em shill em!


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:1+1=3!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are just afraid I'm right!That would be the readers digest version.

actually, this is my favorite tidbitAgain, we see the same pattern. You have to have a very high discretionary income to be able to tie the Money Merge Account software's effectiveness.discretionary income is 99.99% of the effectiveness of the UFF system. It's a prepayment scheme masked as a HELOC game. Even most of the other shills eventually admit this. If the MMA could actually manage to eliminate ALL mortgage interest, every penny, it STILL could not pay off a 30 year mortgage in 7 years in the absence of SIGNIFICANT discretionary income. The math does lie, SHILL. Basically you are saying the UFF software is better than an interest free mortgage!!! Scam, scam, scam.

Um, I thought you were leaving, shill? By all means, please stay and make the UFF look EVEN worse than it is. Every post digs a deeper hole for your scam.

Google search results ROCK!


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Sorry I missed this meltdown. In the end the answer is always about the same. Why? Because prepaying on your own beats UFF Magic Money Merge Scamware by $3500 + cost of paying down $3500 over the remaining life of the loan. (About $6500 -$8500 for a 7-8 year payoff) It really is that simple

Hope this gets this thread back on track.

ellory said:This poor guy is over $6500 -$8500 behind simple prepayment by going with UFF /MMA's

The link gives you all the details - the numbers that UFF gave our hapless scammee - and multiple better easy to implement alternatives

Option 1: $43,632.65 ($3500 purchase fee + $40,132.65 Total amount of interest to pay off mortgage under MMA scam (8.2 years))
Option 2: $37,138.19 Total amount of interest to pay off mortgage simply be paying the exact same amount directly to your mortgage (8.2 years)
Option 3: $34,952.58 Total amount of interest to pay off mortgage in 8.2 years using the $3500 and applying it to mortgage immediately (and lower per month payment)
Option 4: <$34952.58 - Did not run this, but if you kept payments as in 1 & 2, payment would be less than 8.2 years


As you can see, every option that exists, except "do nothing" beats the UFF /MLM scam by at least $6500


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YOU ARE THE SCAM. THIS COMPARRISON YOU POSTED IS COMPARING MY SITUATION TO SOMEONE ELSE'S WHO POSTED THIS ON HERE IN SEPTEMBER. i AM PAYING OFF IN 7.1 YEARS UFF IS NOT A SCAM IT IS A LEGIT DEBT FREE COMPANY THAT HAS HELPED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GET OUT OF DEBT. SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.


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SUCKISSTAPLES said:actually, letting others who surf in via google see the pattern of how a new user signs up to hype it, then degrades everyone, then gets fed up and leaves after he cant convince 1 other person to signup under him speaks volumes of the merit of this program.

Hopefully that factor wil; help assist casual readers see the true colors of those involved in this scam

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GiovanniGigiloMan said:YOU ARE THE SCAM. THIS COMPARRISON YOU POSTED IS COMPARING MY SITUATION TO SOMEONE ELSE'S WHO POSTED THIS ON HERE IN SEPTEMBER. i AM PAYING OFF IN 7.1 YEARS UFF IS NOT A SCAM IT IS A LEGIT DEBT FREE COMPANY THAT HAS HELPED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GET OUT OF DEBT. SO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
SIS, you are prescient. Any lotto numbers or Superbowl picks?


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GGman,

You claim an MMA cancels a good portion of the mortgage interest owed, but not all, through the use of the HELOC. You claim use of moderate discretionary income to prepay pales in comparison to the power of the MMA. So, answer me this simple question since you know so much about interest....

"If a standard 30 year fixed rate loan were to magically become interest free from day 1, and the borrower paid the originally agreed upon monthly minimums, thus paying their mortgage off in slightly over 13 years, how can you claim that discretionary income is not key factor in the MMA getting the results in under 8 years?"

Even at interest free, one would have to nearly DOUBLE the original monthly minimum to pay their 30 year loan off in that time.

The answer should be very clear since you understand interest so well. And FYI, the answer IS very clear. And it does not bode well for your $3500 egg timer.


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In all of your calculations you are all missing the most important key factor that the software does that you can't do yourselves and that is to know exactly how to facilitate a funds transfer from the HELOC to the primary mortgage at the optimal time with the optimal amount transfered. You are just assuming that this is being paid off only by discretionary income and not calculating in larger amounts facilitated by leveraging the HELOC. You will never figure it out because you are not as smart as the software.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:In all of your calculations you are all missing the most important key factor that the software does that you can't do yourselves and that is to know exactly how to facilitate a funds transfer from the HELOC to the primary mortgage at the optimal time with the optimal amount transfered. You are just assuming that this is being paid off only by discretionary income and not calculating in larger amounts facilitated by leveraging the HELOC. You will never figure it out because you are not as smart as the software.so that would be a "no, i can't answer your question." It's not that we are not as smart as the software, it's that you are not as smart as those selling it. Go back and ask them to repeat your analysis, but change one of your bills such that you have no discretionary income. You will see very easily that your discretionary income is doing ALL the work. But you won't, 'cause you are brainwashed. Oh wait, you aren't, you are just here selling it.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:In all of your calculations you are all missing the most important key factor that the software does that you can't do yourselves and that is to know exactly how to facilitate a funds transfer from the HELOC to the primary mortgage at the optimal time with the optimal amount transfered. You are just assuming that this is being paid off only by discretionary income and not calculating in larger amounts facilitated by leveraging the HELOC. You will never figure it out because you are not as smart as the software.

OK. According to your numbers over the 7.1 years or so you will have to pay $289,500 (Principal) + $95,503 (Interest) = $385,003 in actual money.

DO you agree that the actual total money you will pay over 7.1 years is $385,003?

Yes or no.


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calvinandhobbes said:GiovanniGigiloMan said:In all of your calculations you are all missing the most important key factor that the software does that you can't do yourselves and that is to know exactly how to facilitate a funds transfer from the HELOC to the primary mortgage at the optimal time with the optimal amount transfered. You are just assuming that this is being paid off only by discretionary income and not calculating in larger amounts facilitated by leveraging the HELOC. You will never figure it out because you are not as smart as the software.so that would be a "no, i can't answer your question." It's not that we are not as smart as the software, it's that you are not as smart as those selling it. Go back and ask them to repeat your analysis, but change one of your bills such that you have no discretionary income. You will see very easily that your discretionary income is doing ALL the work. But you won't, 'cause you are brainwashed. Oh wait, you aren't, you are just here selling it.

I already did 16.3 years with zero discretionary income and I will save $170,059 in interest.


One thing I didn't do was to calculate in my payments I was making to the car, 2nd mtg and Credit cards. When I add those back in to my discretionary income, because that now becomes discretionary income, I pay off in 5.9 years and save $334,393 in interest

If I add the $656 I have saved by paying off my debt and only use it as discretionary income I pay off in 10.9 years and save $259,539 in interest.


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Did you see my question above your post?

OK. According to your numbers over the 7.1 years or so you will have to pay $289,500 (Principal) + $95,503 (Interest) = $385,003 in actual money.

Do you agree that the actual total money you will pay over 7.1 years is $385,003?

Yes or no.


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mikef07 said:GiovanniGigiloMan said:

DO you agree that the actual total money you will pay over 7.1 years is $385,003?

Yes or no.


Money Merge Account Comparison
FinalPayment// Mos Paid// Mos Saved// Yrs Paid// Yrs Saved///// Interest Paid//Interest Saved//
1/2015////////////////////85///////////////// 275//////////7.1/////////// 22.9///////// $95,503.27/////// $317,673.96


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:mikef07 said:GiovanniGigiloMan said:

DO you agree that the actual total money you will pay over 7.1 years is $385,003?

Yes or no.


Money Merge Account Comparison
FinalPayment// Mos Paid// Mos Saved// Yrs Paid// Yrs Saved///// Interest Paid//Interest Saved//
1/2015////////////////////85///////////////// 275//////////7.1/////////// 22.9///////// $95,503.27/////// $317,673.96

So yes or no?

It seems as if you agree that by Jan 2015 you will have paid $95,503.27 in interest and $289,500 in principal.


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This whole concept is really stupid. Just my 2 cents.


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GiovanniGigiloMan said:YOU ARE THE SCAM. .... more ravings.

Hmmm. Let's see. I make $0 either way. Whether you follow my advice to just prepay your mortgage and come out $6500 - $8500 ahead, or whether you buy UFF scamware. UFF sales people make $2500 in MLM commissions with every sale. Victimizing the purchasers and their "sales force"

Hmm. Let's follow the money. Who is a vested interest in one and only one outcome?

(By the way, I have given up the forlorn hope that this could simply be a post your numbers we'll analyze them thread. The shills are everywhere. On the positive side, maybe we will have two FWF UFF Money Merge Accounts are a scam threads coming up on google)


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ellory said: The shills are everywhere. On the positive side, maybe we will have two FWF UFF Money Merge Accounts are a scam threads coming up on google)
That is a good thing.

The shills are what happens when a company sells its products via MLM....


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i still would like to have even ONE UFF shill take the challenge in the simple exercise of simulating a sample scenario (given income, mortgage, expenses, etc) with typical rates of today. but it will never happen because they know a simple savings account and prepay schedule will beat their scam-ware. they can only spew propaganda.


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