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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Nov. 3, 2007 @ 10:56a
bogalusa said:A few more updates here:
Natl City - BT $13.5K (90% util, should have made it 89%), mailing a check
USBank Baylor - BT $13.3K to HELOC
That makes about $47K requested in BTs over a 3-day period from new personal CLs. I have about $100K in new personal CLs and no more than 30% util on previous personal CLs. Anyone think I have gone overboard? At the very least I will wait until the smoke clears before doing any more BTs from personal lines.
Chase Business Cards - I applied for both Chase Biz Rebate and for Chase Platinum Business Visa -- or at least I thought I did. Ended up with two of the latter at $10K and activated both of them. Not sure if it's worthwhile asking Chase to consolidate; I may take the 2 BTs with 2 fees and not look a gift horse in the mouth.
Not the FWF way exactly, but...
What do you think?You did a $13.5k BT on the Baylor card with an uncapped ($405) fee? With $53k in revolving debt outstanding ($47k new plus ~$6k existing) and a stated HHI of $108k, you may be getting close to a hard cap (regardless of utilization) on what the issuers will consider appropriate. But if you can show the related assets, any limit decrease should easily be restored. Any luck with the Discover? Go for reallocation with the Chase Biz cards. I just did this, very simple with no questions asked. Move $9k from one to the other, then write out the welcome check included with the card for $18500. |
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lhendricks92
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 3, 2007 @ 1:10p
Glitch99 said:Go for reallocation with the Chase Biz cards. I just did this, very simple with no questions asked. Move $9k from one to the other, then write out the welcome check included with the card for $18500. yep, chase biz reallocations are a snap. congrats on the BofA CLIs! |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 3, 2007 @ 3:25p
glitch99 said:You did a $13.5k BT on the Baylor card with an uncapped ($405) fee? After I applied and was approved, I looked and the T&C and thought I had blown it by not applying by phone, as lhendricks92 had advised.
I then got the USBank pdf file for which lhendricks92 had provided the link, and bore in mind a more recent comment of his to the effect that sometimes USBank will honor an expired offer. I called up USBank and spoke w/ a csr about the old offer, mentioned the extension (also as lhendricks92 had suggested) of the toll-free phone number, etc. Rep told me that my card had the same terms, i.e., 0% BT and no BT fee. I'll be sure to confirm this, especially now that glitch99 has expressed concern.
I've been taking notes on who I speak with, etc., for such issues as this.
Thanks again, lhendricks92, for this USBank/Baylor link. Go Bears.
glitch99 said:But if you can show the related assets, any limit decrease should easily be restored. Do you mean financial assets strictly? Hmmm...could be a problem, except maybe for retirement assets. Discover - later. Chase Biz - good idea, thanks. Now comes the hard part: How much time do I spend chasing rates? Fido MMA is where I'm headed for a good chunk of AOR BT cash (I mean, loan), though I know I really ought to grab something sweeter... |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Nov. 3, 2007 @ 5:47p
bogalusa said:[glitch99 said:But if you can show the related assets, any limit decrease should easily be restored. Do you mean financial assets strictly? Hmmm...could be a problem, except maybe for retirement assets.For example, a few months ago BofA sent a letter saying they were cutting my CL from $25k to $20k (I had a $19k BT outstanding). I called up and asked why, they said my outstanding revolving balances were too high. I told them I had $30k+ in a HYSA (actually my Corp's, so lucky they didnt want docs) to pay off the balances which were all at 0%, and wanted the extra $5k restored for a 'cushion' but had no plans of using it. They restored the line immediately. FYI - at the time I was showing ~$36k on my credit report with a $65k stated income, overall utilization was roughly 50%. I only ment that you are approaching a level where they might start to worry, but you should be able to easily reassure them with a legit explination. I wouldnt be concerned at your current level, but only push it further if you are prepared for some consequences. Everyone tends to focus on utilization percentages, but the balance/income ratio can be a big factor as well. PS - where was that link to the Baylor pdf file? The account I just opened says 3% with no cap, but I may also try to work out a no-fee BT like you seem to have.
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 4, 2007 @ 6:31a
glitch99 said:PS - where was that link to the Baylor pdf file? The account I just opened says 3% with no cap, but I may also try to work out a no-fee BT like you seem to have. At this link, Devildoc mentions this PDF (screen shot, I think). |
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devildoc
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 4, 2007 @ 6:38a
bogalusa said:glitch99 said:PS - where was that link to the Baylor pdf file? The account I just opened says 3% with no cap, but I may also try to work out a no-fee BT like you seem to have. At this link, Devildoc mentions this PDF (screen shot, I think). The USBank offer I used expired 9/30/07. |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 4, 2007 @ 10:14a
devildoc said:The USBank offer I used expired 9/30/07. Right. Now even though (according to the csr) my offer had the same terms (maybe even sweeter terms), glitch99 might do well to make reference to the expired offer -- just as I did -- when he calls. Good luck, glitch99. As mentioned I did not do this by phone. I believe the link I used was this one. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Nov. 5, 2007 @ 2:44p
bogalusa said:devildoc said:The USBank offer I used expired 9/30/07. Right. Now even though (according to the csr) my offer had the same terms (maybe even sweeter terms), glitch99 might do well to make reference to the expired offer -- just as I did -- when he calls.
Good luck, glitch99.
As mentioned I did not do this by phone. I believe the link I used was this one.Well, I sent an email via thier website, simply saying that when I found the card there was a no-fee BT offer and that is what prompted me to apply, but they changed the terms sometime in between. Today I get a response saying to get a %0/12mth no-fee BT to use promo code XXXXX when making the BT request (I dont want to give the actual code until my request processes, in case it is limited/account-specific. But it may be possible for anyone to get their own no-fee offer code if they ask). The email even gave very specific instructions on how to make the request online; the request page has a field to enter the promo code. Not quite what had been discussed here, but thanks for prompting me to ask. |
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djspray
- Addicted Member
posted: Nov. 5, 2007 @ 2:55p
Thanks Glitch, I have that one on my list and should probably request a code now. |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 5, 2007 @ 8:45p
Updates- USBank Baylor - Called to verify that my card gets 0% BT w/ NO BT fee. True. Glitch, hope you get at least as good a deal and CL ($15K) as I did. Discover Open Road - Reason for denial was that my existing Discover More card is less than 10 months old. It's now on the calendar for April or next round, whichever makes more sense. Thanks again, glitch. |
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lhendricks92
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 12:43p
bogalusa said:USBank Baylor - Called to verify that my card gets 0% BT w/ NO BT fee. True. Glitch, hope you get at least as good a deal and CL ($15K) as I did. Excellent! Now I'm wondering if all the Elan (aka, US Bank) biz cards (e.g., M&T, Woodforest, etc.) that suddenly went from no fee to uncapped fee BTs are really no fee. Anybody try recently? |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 5:02p
Discover Biz - Got the card yesterday, but CL only $4.5K!!! After activating, I called to question that, and they said they saw my Discover More card w/ $10.5K CL and so $4.5K was their intended CL. When More card is 6 mos. old in early Dec., I plan to request CLI (as they told me today). Then reallocate a chunk of it to Discover Biz and BT somewhere. BT expires in May 2009. T&C says $99 BT fee cap, will have to check my app, as I thought it was capped at $75. Thanks, glitch99, for pushing me on that (despite the outcome). |
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cyberkost
- Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 6:25p
How does one go about CLI with Discover? There does not seem to be an online option ... should one just call and ask or will Discover do it when it deems necessary? Is there a hard pull involved? Would appreciate any first-hand experience, but it looks like I should study this thread. |
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lhendricks92
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 7, 2007 @ 8:38a
bogalusa said:Discover Biz - Got the card yesterday, but CL only $4.5K!!! After activating, I called to question that, and they said they saw my Discover More card w/ $10.5K CL and so $4.5K was their intended CL. Discover is stingy, but at least you can reallocate from personal. |
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mhesidence
- Cranky Member
posted: Nov. 7, 2007 @ 9:24a
cyberkost said:How does one go about CLI with Discover? There does not seem to be an online option ... should one just call and ask or will Discover do it when it deems necessary? Is there a hard pull involved? Would appreciate any first-hand experience, but it looks like I should study this thread. Right no online option, you have to call. You can get hard free increases upto $15K (that number may have changed). They like 6 months between CLI, YMMV. Given time you can boost your CL, but no instant $25K like AMEX. |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 12, 2007 @ 10:18a
Am I in the danger zone wrt personal util? All figures are for personal util. They are approximate and from my own records, not what's currently reported by CRAs: Pre-AOR lines:----17% (12.6k / 73.3k) AOR lines:----------46% (46.8k / 102.0k) Combined lines:--34% (59.4k / 175.3k) Lines of concern - I have done 3 BTs on personal CLs: BOA $20k to checking acct, Natl City $13.5k check mailed to me, USBank $13.3k to HELOC. On these 3 lines, I am at 89% / 90% / 89% util, respectively. I am concerned that: a) doing any more BTs on personal CLs will invite trouble, and b) more important, what I have done to date with these 3 lines is bad enough in that lenders will report to CRAs at different times (e.g., HELOC won't report until early Dec., giving lenders plenty of time to do softs, not like what they see and decide to close lines, etc.). I have some personal BT opptys unused as yet, but was thinking of them as helping util more than anything. But if necessary, I could probably use them to bring all personal lines to max 50% util. I have some biz BTs to take care of, so even if I did no more BTs w/ personal lines, I will be pleased with the AOR. Just want to stay out of trouble. Thanks |
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DjPiLL
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 12, 2007 @ 11:27a
Any personal card I used for a BT I pushed to 89% utilization. But I also have cards with high limits that I am not using at all for BT to level out my overall utilization. I think I am at around 45% overall utilization on my credit report and I am comfortable with that. The way I look at it... if issuers want to take adverse action on me... I doubt that it would make much of a difference if I was at 45% overall utilization or 35% utilization. My scores have tanked (my EX score is down to 676)... but I am not too concerned with that either as I feel that will go back up once balances report back to zero and inquiries drop off. I also have over 200k in debt between personal and credit too.  My mortgage payment is also kinda high so thats probably another reason for my low score. Once I remove escrow on that account my scores will probably improve as well. |
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Glitch99
- Senior Member - 5K
posted: Nov. 12, 2007 @ 11:38a
You are starting to push it, not really from a utilization perspective but from an actual balance perspective - $59k in unsecured debt against $108k income. As said previously, you are risking adverse action but most likely the 'inconvenience' kind; things that aggrivate but do no substantial harm. You could push a bit higher if you want, but be prepared to fight the consequences - but if you have the assets (the BT cash in your HYSA) to support the debt, you should be able get through it relatively unscathed. |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 12, 2007 @ 2:05p
G99, thanks for mentioning the important factor of HHI. I'd been keeping it in mind, but not often enough. Advanta Biz - Maybe a n00b mistake, but I see in the T&C that 0% BT applies to BTs requested with app. I'll have to dig thru my notes to see whether a) I blew it, or b) there's some older offer I can refer to. Either way, I'll be calling them? Advice, stratgeies? |
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bogalusa
- Happy Member
posted: Jan. 7, 2008 @ 12:05p
Bump. With luck, I'll post some summary results before long... |
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