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BODILY INJURY LIABILITY COVERAGE

"This coverage pays damages due to bodily injury to others for which you are responsible. If you are sued, it also pays your defense and court costs. Medical expenses, pain and suffering, and lost wages are some examples of bodily injury damages."

This is one type of coverage where I feel it pays to pay. The coverage gets incredibly cheaper per dollar of premium as you approach the upper limits of this policy. Additionally, top-tier limits are usually required for an umbrella policy. As most of the damages that you could be held liable for in an auto accident are for medicals, not property damage, this is where you want to really take care of yourself.

PROPERTY DAMAGE LIABILITY COVERAGE

"This coverage pays damages due to property damage to others for which you are responsible. If you are sued, it also pays your defense and court costs. Property damage includes damaged property and loss of its use."

I think $50,000-100,000 is the upper limit of what you should reasonably be paying, even though additional coverage is so cheap. The cheaper the additional coverage, the less likely you are to ever need it. Most accidents are going to be with one car, and unless you crash into a Ferrari I don't see how more than $100,000 in coverage is ever going to benefit you.

UNINSURED MOTOR VEHICLE COVERAGE - BODILY INJURY

"This coverage pays damages for bodily injury when an insured is injured in a car accident caused by another person who does not have any liability insurance or who has liability insurance, but whose available limits are less than the limits you chose for this coverage."

This is probably the most important type of coverage you can have IMO. I have done some insurance work, and I have seen this type of policy used many, many times. You have to remember that in many areas, up to 30% of all drivers are uninsured... so without this coverage you're insuring yourself against only 70% of all accidents AT BEST. This type of coverage will pay in case of a hit-and-run, which is all too common. Additionally, it can cover you or a minor child in your household if you are hit on the street by a motor vehicle, which is a real danger.

COMPREHENSIVE COVERAGE

"This coverage pays for a covered car that is stolen or damaged by causes other than collision or upset. For example, damage caused by fire, wind, hail, or glass breakage is covered. Collision with birds or animals is also covered. Comprehensive Coverage will also pay substitute transportation expenses of up to $16 a day if your car is stolen. Payments will be made starting 48 hours after the theft is reported to us. A deductible is not required."

This is pretty self-explanatory, higher deductibles will result in lower premiums... but not drastically so. If your car is worth close to nothing, or you are willing to self-insure, you may want to opt out of this type of coverage. PROTIP: Do not report minor windshield cracks, as you will end up saving almost nothing and end up with a mark on your insurance report, however slight.

COLLISION COVERAGE

"This coverage pays for a covered car that is damaged by collision with another object or by upset of the car. A deductible is required."

Same as above.

UNINSURED MOTOR VEHICLE - PROPERTY DAMAGE

"This coverage pays for property damage to your car if it is damaged in a car accident caused by an uninsured driver. If you have Collision Coverage, this coverage pays damages up to the amount of your Collision Coverage deductible. If you do not have Collision Coverage, this coverage pays damages up to $3,500."

So cheap, it's almost a gimmie.

CAR RENTAL AND TRAVEL EXPENSES COVERAGE

"This coverage pays for the following expenses: Car Rental Expense - Pays the amount shown below (six coverage options are available) when you rent a car while your car is not drivable due to a covered comprehensive or collision loss. It will pay $10 a day for each complete 24-hour period that your car is not drivable if you do not rent a car. Rental Car - Repayment of Deductible Amount Expense. Pays the deductible you may be responsible for if you have an accident in a rental car. Travel Expenses - Pays extra expenses for meals, lodging, and transportation home or on to your destination if a loss occurs more than 50 miles from home. It also pays for the trip to pick up the car.."

Car rental companies give a highly-discounted "insurance" rate. $25/day should be more than enough to get you a decent set of wheels. May not be needed if you can get around for a week or two without a car.

MEDICAL PAYMENTS

"This coverage pays medical and funeral expenses for bodily injury to a covered person sustained in a car accident. Medical expenses must be reasonable, necessary, and for services furnished within three years after the accident. The most we will pay for funeral expenses is the lower of your limit or $3,000."

If you have health insurance, why bother... unless you have a high deductible for your health insurance.

EMERGENCY ROAD SERVICE COVERAGE

"This coverage pays the reasonable expense for the following emergency services for your car:Mechanical labor up to one hour at the place of its breakdown. Towing to the nearest place where repairs can be made during regular business hours. Towing the car if it is stuck on or next to a public highway. Delivery of gas, oil, loaned battery, or change of tire, but not the cost of such items. Locksmith labor for up to one hour if you lose your key or lock it in your car."

May want to avoid. Service calls can show up on your CLUE report and have an adverse affect on your rates and insurability. May want to look at AAA or similar programs.

 


Note: I am working on this because I will obsessively tinker with my policy to try and get the best deal and the best coverage, so I will edit this as needed with new information as it is provided.

All input is welcome!

Message edited by: ArbolLoco on 2007-11-04 22:15:31 CST

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Sample build... if anyone has any input for tweaking it.

Background: Have a three-year old car worth maybe $22,000, personal assets in an amount that they would be fully protected by the $250,000/$500,000 Bodily Injury coverage + $100,000 Property Damage coverage. Premiums and coverage should reflect a State Farm policy with a driver with 12 years experience, zero tickets/accidents/DUIs. I am in Los Angeles.

Vehicle 1: Coverages
Coverage Description Premium
Coverage Description Bodily Injury & Property Damage

Bodily Injury/Property Damage Liability
Limits of Liability-Coverage A-Bodily Injury
Each Person, Each Accident
$250,000 $500,000
Limits of Liability-Coverage A-Property Damage
Each Accident
$100,000

Premium $276.14 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Comprehensive

$500 Deductible Comprehensive

Premium $81.79 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Collision

$1000 Deductible Collision

Premium $241.40 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Emergency Road Service

Emergency Road Service

Premium $2.43 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Car Rental/Travel Expenses

Car Rental/Travel Expenses
Limits of Liability - Car Rental Expense
Each Day Each Occurrence
$25 $600

Premium $18.88 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Uninsured/Underinsured

Uninsured Motor Vehicle
Limits of Liability-U
Each Person, Each Accident
$100,000 $300,000

Premium $54.64 Change Coverage

Coverage Description Uninsured/Underinsured

Uninsured Motor Vehicle Property Damage

Premium $4.84 Change Coverage


Total Premium For Vehicle 1 $680.12
The total premiums include your discounts.


Vehicle 1: Discounts
Multiple Automobiles Discount
Multiple Line Discount

Message edited by: ArbolLoco on 2007-11-03 17:36:00 CDT
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OP, in your original post, you may wish to address the fact that in many states, UM/UIM stacks (i.e., three vehicles, three separate premiums, MVA with uninsured or underinsured at-fault motorist, and in some states, your UM/UIM limits stack for all three vehicles). Again, stacking is state specific (you'd have to not only read your policy, but case law, as legal decisions would override policy language).

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remember if you file a claim against any portion of your policy it can affect your rates.

and don't use the roadside assistance to get a tow home from the drag strip

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along those lines...

I called the insurance to repair a crack on my windshield... not only did I end up paying what I would have paid in cash anyways... it went on to my CLUE report... or whatever equivalent State Farm uses. didn't affect my rates, but if it is not determinative... why have it there?

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ArbolLoco said:along those lines...

I called the insurance to repair a crack on my windshield... not only did I end up paying what I would have paid in cash anyways... it went on to my CLUE report... or whatever equivalent State Farm uses. didn't affect my rates, but if it is not determinative... why have it there?

With a $500 comp deductible, you should not have reported the windshield loss. Every claim hits your CLUE report, even if the ins co didn't pay anything. You've even got to be careful calling your agent to ask one of those "hypothetical" questions, as your agent may report it anyway.

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rigor said:remember if you file a claim against any portion of your policy it can affect your rates.

and don't use the roadside assistance to get a tow home from the drag strip

I do not recommend getting roadside assistance from your insurance company, since they may use it to determine your premiums. I would rather get it from AAA, so my insurance co has no clue on how many times I used roadside assistance.

Thanks op - this is a great discussion topic.

Message edited by: walletLess on 2007-11-03 19:25:51 CDT
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yup on my progressive report was "factors that determine your rate" and it was a $50 jobbie to repair a star crack about 1" size. if i had known it would have counted against me (they swore it didn't but why was it listed for 2-3 years?) then i would have just paid the dude $50 to have it done myself.

AAA+ is good stuff; why i mentioned the drag strip; if you were towed from the drag strip; you may have to pay for it if you were racing and you'd be instantly given the boot if the insurance company knew you were racing. If you don't believe me call up your insurance company and tell them you are taking your car to the drag strip tomorrow; See what happens.

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Here's info on Minimum Liability Limits coverage REQUIRED for each state (may not be current). The first two figures refer to bodily injury liability limits (which are not required in all states) and the third figure refers to the property damage liability limit. For example, 20/40/10 means coverage up to $20,000 for each person injured in an accident, up to a maximum of $40,000 for the entire accident, and $10,000 worth of coverage for property damage. In addition, some states are "no-fault" states which additionally require Personal Injury Protection coverage, a.k.a. PIP, which pays for each injured person in the vehicle, regardless of fault. You should check your specific state’s requirements to verify these figures.

AL 20/40/10

AK 50/100/25

AZ 15/30/10

AR 25/50/25

CA 15/30/5

CO 25/50/15

CT 20/40/10

DE 15/30/5

DC 25/50/10

FL 0/0/10* <--- Personal Injury Protection {PIP} "no fault" medical coverage required only

GA 25/50/25

HI 20/40/10 <--- also a PIP state

ID 25/50/15

IL 20/40/15

IN 25/50/10

IA 20/40/15

KS 25/50/10 <--- also a PIP state

KY 25/50/10 <--- also a PIP state

LA 10/20/10

ME 50/100/25

MD 20/40/10 <--- also a PIP state

MA 20/40/5 <--- also a PIP state

MI 20/40/10 <--- also a PIP state

MN 30/60/10 <--- also a PIP state

MS 10/20/5

MO 25/50/10

MT 25/50/10

NE 25/50/25

NV 15/30/10

NH 0/0/25* <--- Financial Responsibility only / underinsured motorist coverage

NJ 15/30/5 <--- also a PIP state

NM 25/50/10

NY 25/50/10 <--- also a PIP state

NC 30/60/25

ND 25/50/25 <--- also a PIP state

OH 12.5/25/7.5

OK 10/20/10

OR 25/50/10 <--- also a PIP state

PA 15/30/5

RI 25/50/25

SC 15/30/10

SD 25/50/25

TN 25/50/10

TX 20/40/15

UT 25/50/15 <--- also a PIP state

VT 25/50/10

VA 25/50/20

WA 25/50/10

WV 20/40/10

WI 0/0/10* <--- Financial Responsibility only / uninsured motorist coverage

WY 25/50/20

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Roadside assistance is free with AIG. And they were the cheapest when I looked about a year or two ago.

 

walletLess said:rigor said:remember if you file a claim against any portion of your policy it can affect your rates.

and don't use the roadside assistance to get a tow home from the drag strip


I do not recommend getting roadside assistance from your insurance company, since they may use it to determine your premiums. I would rather get it from AAA, so my insurance co has no clue on how many times I used roadside assistance.

Thanks op - this is a great discussion topic.

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ArbolLoco said:, personal assets in an amount that they would be fully protected by the $250,000/$500,000 Bodily Injury coverage + $100,000 Property Damage coverage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent the 250,000/500,000 limits just the maximum the policy will pay out in the event of a claim? As in if you have an accident that causes one person $300,000 in injuries, the policy will pick up $250,000 and you can still be held liable for the remaining $50,000? So the 250k/500k limit does NOT 'protect' 250k or 500k of your assets, it merely allows for the first $250k in injuries per person to be paid before your assets come into play?

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ArbolLoco said:BODILY INJURY LIABILITY COVERAGE

UNINSURED MOTOR VEHICLE COVERAGE - BODILY INJURY

"This coverage pays damages for bodily injury when an insured is injured in a car accident caused by another person who does not have any liability insurance or who has liability insurance, but whose available limits are less than the limits you chose for this coverage."

This is probably the most important type of coverage you can have IMO. I have done some insurance work, and I have seen this type of policy used many, many times. You have to remember that in many areas, up to 30% of all drivers are uninsured... so without this coverage you're insuring yourself against only 70% of all accidents AT BEST. This type of coverage will pay in case of a hit-and-run, which is all too common. Additionally, it can cover you or a minor child in your household if you are hit on the street by a motor vehicle, which is a real danger.


All input is welcome!

I will agree with you on this 1000%!!!!

I have this on my Motorcycle policy.... and was involved in a "HIT" and run accident...

Fact: Hit does not actually have to involve HIT.... I was run off the road; I moved left rather than have the car HIT and CRUSH my leg against my bike.

Fact: you insurance may fight you if you try to claim uninsured / underinsured if the other vehicle is not identified...

Fact: Take it to court and sue your OWN insurance company, and you have a good chance of winning; arguement being I paid for insurance coverage against hit and run / phantom driver, they need to pay.

Fact: I won, and because I fought it, I DON'T have a chargeable accident on record, saving me $$$$ on renewals! Had I just let it go, I would be paying 700+ per year on the bike, but instead, I get safe driver discount, multiple years with company discount, etc.... and pay less than 300 a year for full coverage on the HARLEY!

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Glitch99 said:ArbolLoco said:, personal assets in an amount that they would be fully protected by the $250,000/$500,000 Bodily Injury coverage + $100,000 Property Damage coverage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent the 250,000/500,000 limits just the maximum the policy will pay out in the event of a claim? As in if you have an accident that causes one person $300,000 in injuries, the policy will pick up $250,000 and you can still be held liable for the remaining $50,000? So the 250k/500k limit does NOT 'protect' 250k or 500k of your assets, it merely allows for the first $250k in injuries per person to be paid before your assets come into play?

You are correct and that's what personal catastrophe (umbrella) coverage is for, to protect you over and above this initial layer of coverage. If you have substantial assets, you should look into a minimum of $2M or $3M coverage (it really doesn't cost that much, as mine is approx $500/year).

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Do realize that if you carry NO comprehensive or collision insurance on your beater (which is generally a GOOD idea), you also have no collision or comprehensive insurance on the vehicles you rent from rental agencies.

For frequent renters like myself, it was a lot cheaper to pay the $125/ year for collision and comprehensive than it was to pay the crazy daily rates offered by the large auto rental companies.

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Glitch99 said:ArbolLoco said:, personal assets in an amount that they would be fully protected by the $250,000/$500,000 Bodily Injury coverage + $100,000 Property Damage coverage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but arent the 250,000/500,000 limits just the maximum the policy will pay out in the event of a claim? As in if you have an accident that causes one person $300,000 in injuries, the policy will pick up $250,000 and you can still be held liable for the remaining $50,000? So the 250k/500k limit does NOT 'protect' 250k or 500k of your assets, it merely allows for the first $250k in injuries per person to be paid before your assets come into play?fair enough. however in my experience, 99% of medicals in car accidents are under $100k. The only time you're going to go over that is if someone ends up in a trauma center, but even then they're likely to stay under $250k unless there's lifelong medical expenses, but those are going to be in the millions and they're not going to get that from you... but even if they try, you'll still have insurance counsel. I have seen one case that settled for about $500k, but it involved the male driver getting blinded in one eye and the female passenger getting a huge "zipper" scar from bellybutton to neck because of a traumatic spleen injury [removed] and bruising to the other vital organs. Lady has to be on "spleen meds" aka antibiotics, for the rest of her life. And yes the medicals + pain & suffering got that high... but this couple was lucky enough [or unlucky enough] to be hit by a truck involved in interstate trucking which must have at least $2,000,000 in coverage IIRC, per Federal law.

Technologist said:ArbolLoco said:BODILY INJURY LIABILITY COVERAGE

UNINSURED MOTOR VEHICLE COVERAGE - BODILY INJURY

"This coverage pays damages for bodily injury when an insured is injured in a car accident caused by another person who does not have any liability insurance or who has liability insurance, but whose available limits are less than the limits you chose for this coverage."

This is probably the most important type of coverage you can have IMO. I have done some insurance work, and I have seen this type of policy used many, many times. You have to remember that in many areas, up to 30% of all drivers are uninsured... so without this coverage you're insuring yourself against only 70% of all accidents AT BEST. This type of coverage will pay in case of a hit-and-run, which is all too common. Additionally, it can cover you or a minor child in your household if you are hit on the street by a motor vehicle, which is a real danger.


All input is welcome!


I will agree with you on this 1000%!!!!

I have this on my Motorcycle policy.... and was involved in a "HIT" and run accident...

Fact: Hit does not actually have to involve HIT.... I was run off the road; I moved left rather than have the car HIT and CRUSH my leg against my bike.

Fact: you insurance may fight you if you try to claim uninsured / underinsured if the other vehicle is not identified...

Fact: Take it to court and sue your OWN insurance company, and you have a good chance of winning; arguement being I paid for insurance coverage against hit and run / phantom driver, they need to pay.

Fact: I won, and because I fought it, I DON'T have a chargeable accident on record, saving me $$$$ on renewals! Had I just let it go, I would be paying 700+ per year on the bike, but instead, I get safe driver discount, multiple years with company discount, etc.... and pay less than 300 a year for full coverage on the HARLEY!
The UM claims are the best from the consumer perspective. It is only with UM claims that you have huge leverage to use against them: bad faith insurance law. Since you are in privity of contract with the insurance company, you have a potential claim against them for "bad faith" denial of your claim, and appropriate damages. In insurance terms its called "opening the policy".

Message edited by: ArbolLoco on 2007-11-03 23:15:07 CDT
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jlawrence01 said:Do realize that if you carry NO comprehensive or collision insurance on your beater (which is generally a GOOD idea), you also have no collision or comprehensive insurance on the vehicles you rent from rental agencies.

For frequent renters like myself, it was a lot cheaper to pay the $125/ year for collision and comprehensive than it was to pay the crazy daily rates offered by the large auto rental companies.
I am a frequent renter too, and I always buy the overpriced insurance packages. Luckily I am reimbursed by my office... and I always tell them I refuse to potentially have to use my personal policy THAT I PAY FOR, for business purposes.

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Heres what I would do different than the OP:

1. You are using State farm (youre in SoCal, you owe it to yourself to call Wawanesa)
2. Drop the Towing coverage for the reasons listed above, and see
why you should not get towing coverage from your insurer
3. Personally I wouldnt pay anything for rental car coverage, even if its $10/year. $10 to save maybe $200-300 doesnt seem worthwhile. I like every insurance dollar to buy hundreds of dollars of coverage, not tens.

Message edited by: SUCKISSTAPLES on 2007-11-03 23:18:42 CDT
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jlawrence01 said:Do realize that if you carry NO comprehensive or collision insurance on your beater (which is generally a GOOD idea), you also have no collision or comprehensive insurance on the vehicles you rent from rental agencies.

For frequent renters like myself, it was a lot cheaper to pay the $125/ year for collision and comprehensive than it was to pay the crazy daily rates offered by the large auto rental companies.

But don't most (gold and platinum) credit cards now insure for collision and comprehensive not covered by your own policy?

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