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TheWiseGuy
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 7:34p
forget about the racist angle, that won't fly. i'm sure the reasons for your account closure was documented well beforehand. anyway, since it was a fraud notation on your acct and u had to deal with the fraud department, couple that with what the last csr said regarding convenience checks, it's pretty clear to me why they closed your acct. this is what fwf'ers have been dreading. there have clearly been people before u that have done larger AOR related transactions but maybe there has been a change in policy? let's not forget the recent sub-prime mortgage troubles. all the big banks have huge exposure to it. i don't believe boa has revealed yet the full impact on their balance sheet yet. citi just said they would be writing off about $10 billion. perhaps banks are taking a hard look at ALL their exposure. the next big thing is all the unsecured debt from credit cards. this may be a the start of the end of all the wasy credit we've all been accustomed to. i don't blame them if they decide it's not prudent to extend $500k in lines to some college kid who claims his household income is $200k. perhaps they are going to go thru every acct and look at how much credit is available on credit reports and compare that to some income ratio, who knows? |
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g10ny
- Graceful Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 7:34p
theficus said: Yes, I was told a debit of $888,888.88 is a fraud notation. I'm more inclined to believe that the BofA employees are now feeling happy that they think they have just stopped the subprime mortgages timebomb countdown at 888,888.88. Which part of the Lethal Weapon movie is that in? |
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asdf9876
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 7:47p
I do not want to draw attention to my problem, in fact I don't really want to talk about it at all especially in someone else's thread. I look pretty white and I have very German sounding name. Anyway the Fidelity "risk management" group shut me down in a very similar manner to the OP. The best (most absurd) part is I did not have margin so I didn't see how I was much of a risk. They were very rude and refused to talk to me about. All my accounts were closed permanently. I have no reason to doubt a racist remark was made by an individual to the OP. But it really pisses me off when something bad happens to a minority they hide behind cries of racism. The decision was made well in advance of the slur, was likely in part automated and almost definitely was made by someone other than the one who made the remark. Again I will not talk about my issue again in this thread. PM me if you really have to know more. I'm just saying I'm not going to a couple dozen websites saying my accounts were closed because of my ethnicity. I could be wrong but on a % basis there are probably more ethnic Hispanics, particularly in my SoCal region, then there are ethnic Germans but no one wants to give me minority rights.  |
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glxpass
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 7:55p
TheWiseGuy said: perhaps banks are taking a hard look at ALL their exposure. the next big thing is all the unsecured debt from credit cards. this may be a the start of the end of all the wasy credit we've all been accustomed to. i don't blame them if they decide it's not prudent to extend $500k in lines to some college kid who claims his household income is $200k. perhaps they are going to go thru every acct and look at how much credit is available on credit reports and compare that to some income ratio, who knows? So perhaps The Bank Of America Credit Line Increase on Crack Thread is just a set up for the 16-ton weight about to dropped on us? Reminds me of BoA Defenders of Wildlife Money Market Account, which went up to 5.71% APY shortly before the 9/18 FOMC meeting. Now it's 4.56% APY at the highest tier. |
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Bobalude
- Senior Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 7:59p
For the record, in the future you can always ask initially if the call is being recorded, and then ask for an identifying piece of information of the person on the phone (extension, last name, etc) before you go into your situation. You may then have an avenue to have the phone representative disciplined or identified for terrible (or good if you wish to ship a compliment) service using the date, time, and person you spoke with. |
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gokartsrus
- Senior Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 8:03p
cashmonkey said:dealingdede said:Wow, that is really bad. I looked at the AOR site and to tell you the truth it does not look legitimate. Couldn't even find them in Better Business Bureau. You supplied a lot of personel info to sign up and that is an easy way of people stealing your ID. I got an email something like this a while back and just deleted it. Dude, you have to research things before you put your info out there. At the bottom of the site it reads:
Efforts have been made to provide accurate information; however, all actions you take as a result of the information here are your responsibility. Do your own research before acting.
I think that says it all. Hee hee. Funny  Notice that this is dealingdede's first post.....how did he find this place in the first place - maybe he needs a chaperone? |
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EricGo07
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 8:14p
SUCKISSTAPLES said:Newsflash - just bc someone utters a racist statement doesnt mean aything.
Unless the fraud investigator who made a racial statement during dicussions with OP was the same one who made the account closure decisions, this has nothing to do with why this action was taken.I'll answer, in case your comment is an oblique reply to my posts. I earlier said that I don't think the slur has anything to do with the account closing. I am encouraging OP to consider racial harassment charges because I think he has a case /*unrelated*/ to his account problems. I certainly might be wrong, and IANAL of any type or persuasion. A short telephone call to the right kind of lawyer however, may be informative and useful. Heck, it may even be profitable. Slamming a racist *and* a bank is double dipping at its best. |
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Grobe
- Senior Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:03p
In his initial post the OP said: "I have had these accounts for approximately 7 months and use them as my main accounts" This is in no way a long-term customer. My belief is that the problems he had were because of the AOR games he was playing as a new customer. It's very clear to me that to be safe people should set up AOR accounts at different institutions than their primary checking accounts. |
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ArbolLoco
- Tired Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:28p
theficus said:I'm Muslim and I was born in the Middle East. One of my parents is white and I grew up speaking English, so nobody can tell my race or religion unless they know my name. The CSR pretty much called me a terrorist.sounds like your name ended up on some type of Treasury Department watch list. unfortunately in the Muslim world, as in China, certain name/surname combinations are very common/repetitive. I have an immigration lawyer friend who is representing a Syrian family, all of whom were granted asylum... except for the son. Let's say that his name is Osman al-Tabrini. The name Osman al-Tabrini appears on a DHS watch list as an undesirable alien... so the family is fighting his deportation. One problem... this Osman al-Tabrini is seven years old and knows more about Pokemon than he knows about Jihad. He was just born with the wrong name. Heck even Ted Kennedy had problems with a similar name showing up on a do-not-fly list. |
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rnj1975
- Happy Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:29p
OP, first you said this (on page 2 of the thread): EDIT: Before anyone asks, yes, I'm a US citizen (natural born) and yes, I provided Bank of America with entirely accurate personal information. And then you said this (on page 8 of the thread): I'm Muslim and I was born in the Middle East. One of my parents is white and I grew up speaking English, so nobody can tell my race or religion unless they know my name. The CSR pretty much called me a terrorist. Am I missing something? |
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markkundinger
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:31p
Ficus, go to this website: http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/index.shtml And make sure that a reasonable version of your name isn't one it. There is at least a small possibility that a good match to your name appears on the OFAC list, and that's why BofA is closing the accounts. However, if it were the reason, then I would suspect that they either wouldn't tell you ANYTHING about the closure. And I'd recommend a letter to the office of BofA's CEO, carefully laying out two points: 1) The closure of accounts being bogus 2) The unprofessionalism of the fraud department. |
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delzy
- Senior Member - 3K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:39p
beethovengirl said:That's what I thought. Contact CAIR. ... I don't think I would do that since there is now a great push for congressional investigation of that group because of alleged ties and financing by declared terrorist groups. It's not OP's fault that they only have about 3 dozen surnames over there, but I still don't think I'd call Ibish for help.... maybe the ACLU would be a little better. FYI, Savage called for his entire audience to call their reps and sens to ask for this investigation just today. If you don't know what I'm talking about then just ignore what I said. |
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nycll
- Geeky member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:49p
rnj1975 said:OP, first you said this (on page 2 of the thread):
EDIT: Before anyone asks, yes, I'm a US citizen (natural born) and yes, I provided Bank of America with entirely accurate personal information.
And then you said this (on page 8 of the thread):
I'm Muslim and I was born in the Middle East. One of my parents is white and I grew up speaking English, so nobody can tell my race or religion unless they know my name. The CSR pretty much called me a terrorist.
Am I missing something? One of the parents must be an US citizen therefore OP was born a US citizen. I read pages 1-3 and here is what I would suggest, sorry if it is covered before: 1. the high profile/high risk option: go through legal route. A competent lawyer can establish the damage the bank has caused you in closing all of your accounts without notices. Plus there is the racial slur incident. 2. the low profile/less time consuming option: write a complaint to the office of the comptroller of the currency. They have a website and I am almost certain they have an online complaint form. |
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beethovengirl
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 9:58p
delzy said:beethovengirl said:That's what I thought. Contact CAIR. ...
I don't think I would do that since there is now a great push for congressional investigation of that group because of alleged ties and financing by declared terrorist groups. CAIR has been under a cloud of suspicion for years now. I'm not aware of anything new. In any case, I still think CAIR might have some advice on how the OP should proceed, since I suspect his name has been flagged due to similarity to a name on a terrorist watch list like the OFAC list. |
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psychtobe
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:05p
Call Clark Howard. He loves this kind of stuff and his team is very willing to listen to a case. He also dislikes BOA as it is. Just make sure your story adds up before going public. |
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Donedealzz
- Senior Member - 2K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:07p
IMHO If the bank thinks he committed a unlawful act, with the funds transfer, and judging by the banks comment the DHS has/will be notifed and will possibly investigate him. This is just stirring up the pot of trouble for him. While I dont agree with the treatment of OP if all he says is true. IMHO he should just move on, that is if he still can. At times its best to stand your ground, and some times it best to walk away. Extraordinary renditions. |
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SUCKISSTAPLES
- Charter Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:12p
Donedealzz said:. At times its best to stand your ground, and some times it best to walk away.we have a winner |
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SUCKISSTAPLES
- Charter Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:23p
markkundinger said:Ficus, go to this website:
http://www.treasury.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sdn/index.shtml
.mostly arabic and hispanic names. Time to sue this Racist govt! |
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uood8
- Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:23p
Your account was probably flagged for money laundering, which the bank will have nothing to do with if they even suspect something. and by you making a large deposit then transferring funds to outside instutitions is a huge red flad. All calls to customer service are now recorded ( at least the center i was at) as of Jan 07. -former employee. |
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beethovengirl
- Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 10:31p
uood8 said:Your account was probably flagged for money laundering, which the bank will have nothing to do with if they even suspect something. and by you making a large deposit then transferring funds to outside instutitions is a huge red flad. I [and many rate-chasing FWFers] have made plenty of 6-figure deposits and then transfered them to outside institutions soon after. I've never had any issues. |
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