Don't want to derail your thread but you are accusing a bank of something pretty serious by saying they called you a "Racial Slur" That's the only reason I'm interested in the context of it. I have moved over a half million out of BoA in the last month without any issues, Must be because of my nice Jewish name?
captainwho
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 1:57p
kamalktk said: theficus said: My cash balance, however, is negative $888,888.88. If you're chinese and superstitious, you've hit the jackpot, eight 8's!No, no, no, it's NEGATIVE $888,888.88. That's bad luck.
scott1961 said: Don't want to derail your thread but you are accusing a bank of something pretty serious by saying they called you a "Racial Slur" That's the only reason I'm interested in the context of it. I have moved over a half million out of BoA in the last month without any issues, Must be because of my nice Jewish name?You are very white. I saw your pic on the official fw pic thread. I saw Eddie Murphy on saturday night live, and banks treat white people better than they do non-white people. Except BoA which caters to illegal immigrants. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I wish OP the best of luck and welcome him to try his banking at a reward checking institution where they welcome the poor, the tired and the huddled masses.
duncan36 said: Could be they have certain triggers to try and stop money laundering
With all this talk of racial slurs, I misread one of the words above; really changes the meaning of the sentence, hehe.
cid911
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:27p
Did you pay Child Support??
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:27p
I'm considering the following options:
1.) Suck it up as a lesson learned, never deal with Bank of America again, and move my money to another bank. This is the path of least resistance. What other bank, however, offers all the integrated services I had at Bank of America? I liked the convenience of having my deposit, brokerage, and credit accounts at the same institution.
2.) Write a letter to the executive department, contact a lawyer, and pursue legal options. This might get me everything I want, but at what cost (time and effort-wise)?
3. Keep calling until I speak to someone who will do more than call me names and hang up on me. I might get the immediate satisfaction of feeling like I'm doing something, but I doubt I'll get anywhere.
theficus said: I'm considering the following options:
1.) Suck it up as a lesson learned, never deal with Bank of America again, and move my money to another bank. This is the path of least resistance. What other bank, however, offers all the integrated services I had at Bank of America? I liked the convenience of having my deposit, brokerage, and credit accounts at the same institution. 2.) Write a letter to the executive department, contact a lawyer, and pursue legal options. This might get me everything I want, but at what cost (time and effort-wise)? 3. Keep calling until I speak to someone who will do more than call me names and hang up on me. I might get the immediate satisfaction of feeling like I'm doing something, but I doubt I'll get anywhere. What is my best option? I dont think (1) and (2) are mutually exclusive. Move to a different bank and still pursue your legal option, if you want. I dont see what good (3) is going to do.
I still dont see why you are still considering the option of sticking with BoA, if they will give you a chance? There are several other banks/brokerages that offer these services (e.g. Fidelity, Wells Fargo etc.). It is not a good idea to have credit cards from a single bank; have a few spread among some big banks and 1-2 local banks/credit Unions.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:35p
theficus said:
3. Keep calling until I speak to someone who will do more than call me names and hang up on me.
Still don't believe they are doing that, The only time they would hang up on you is if your tone dictated it.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:36p
theficus said: What other bank, however, offers all the integrated services I had at Bank of America? I liked the convenience of having my deposit, brokerage, and credit accounts at the same institution.The benefits of integrated services don't seem to outweigh the risk of having all your eggs in one basket. By using multiple financial institutions, you are also free to take advantage of the best products available on the market. As long as all your accounts support ACH, it's a simple matter to move money around.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:38p
scott1961 said: theficus said:
3. Keep calling until I speak to someone who will do more than call me names and hang up on me.
Still don't believe they are doing that, The only time they would hang up on you is if your tone dictated it.I would tend to agree. Considering two different CSRs hung up on the OP, the problem likely lies at OP's end of the phone.
I've found that it is far more efficient to be polite, yet firm.
honeymay98
Greedy Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:39p
theficus said: I'm considering the following options:
1.) Suck it up as a lesson learned, never deal with Bank of America again, and move my money to another bank. This is the path of least resistance. What other bank, however, offers all the integrated services I had at Bank of America? I liked the convenience of having my deposit, brokerage, and credit accounts at the same institution.
2.) Write a letter to the executive department, contact a lawyer, and pursue legal options. This might get me everything I want, but at what cost (time and effort-wise)?
3. Keep calling until I speak to someone who will do more than call me names and hang up on me. I might get the immediate satisfaction of feeling like I'm doing something, but I doubt I'll get anywhere.
What is my best option?
Personally I would pick #1. Move on and reduce the stress in your life. How about Fidelity?
Maybe in a few months you can apply for a BOA CC and then on the third Tuesday of every other month buy a pack of gum
Comptroller for the closing of the account SEC for the closing of the brokerage ACLU for the slur (Note: It doesn't matter what the slur was. If it was personally insulting, then it shouldn't have happened).
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 2:54p
scott1961 said: Still don't believe they are doing that, The only time they would hang up on you is if your tone dictated it. I was very polite with the CSRs because I wanted my accounts opened back up! How would I benefit from being rude to them? I find the whole ordeal shocking because I've always received great service from Bank of America. The people in the fraud department, it seems, are a different story. Maybe they deal with fraudsters all day so they operate on a short fuse. It doesn't, however, excuse their behavior to a long-time and loyal customer.
I still dont see why you are still considering the option of sticking with BoA, if they will give you a chance? There are several other banks/brokerages that offer these services (e.g. Fidelity, Wells Fargo etc.). It is not a good idea to have credit cards from a single bank; have a few spread among some big banks and 1-2 local banks/credit Unions. I really enjoy the convenience of doing most of my business at a single institution. It's looking like I'll have to sacrifice that now. Fidelity and Wells Fargo are both on my short list of new one-stop shops.
The benefits of integrated services don't seem to outweigh the risk of having all your eggs in one basket. By using multiple financial institutions, you are also free to take advantage of the best products available on the market. As long as all your accounts support ACH, it's a simple matter to move money around. If Bank of America is freaking out over transfers within the same institution, I'm worried how other banks will treat inter-institution transfers.
I'd apply for a LaSalle account while it's not yet integrated into the BofA system. And I'll see from there.
jayK
Senior Member - JayK
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:03p
Usorry said: Comptroller for the closing of the account SEC for the closing of the brokerageWhat would they do about it? Businesses are free to close customers' accounts, just as customers are free to close said accounts.
There's really nothing you can do legally about the situation about your BOA accounts because they can cancel the relationship between you for any reason. It says it when you signed the contract with your bank.
You can probably write a letter in a polite way to their corporate office and tell them about the situation to you and any issues with the racial statements if possible. Tell them that you can't recommend Bank Of America's services to your family and friends because of the way they treat their customers.
LustfortheMoment
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:12p
I don't think I would have had this problem if my name was "Ted Stevens" or something more vanilla sounding.
You need more of a WASPy name like ROBERT ATTLEBERRY III......
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:15p
Now if he was Black he could get Jessie and Al after them, They would love to shake down a bank BoA's size
ck08
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:16p
Something doesn't add up. I have only had my BOA accounts for less than 3 months and have transferred in/out over 200K without a peep. It seems if the reasons that the OP gave for the closure were the full story, there would be thousands complaining about the same thing. I don't think that BOA engages in selective enforecement unless give a reason.
duncan36 said: Could be they have certain triggers to try and stop money laundering and you inadvertently triggered one..not only that, if OP has an Arabic/Indian sounding name, he is at much higher risk of suspicion.
OP you need to stop calling BofA. Go sit down with the local branch manager. have him start making the calls.
You dont want to do that, FEDEX a letter to the CEO's office. By thursday this will be resolved.
All the other suggestions in this thread will take longer and/or require more effort
I have had a BOA MRA account for like 10 years and never keep more than $500 in it. From Sept of 06 till Oct of 07 I used BOA as my primary bank and Citigroup PB as my primary brokerage account. I would deposit over $40k a month into BOA and maintained $50k min in my AAA MMA at all times. As soon as I could find VRDN, ARS, Commercial Paper or Government Discount notes in inventory at Citi I would buy the bonds from Citi and write a check against my AAA MMA for whole balance in my account except $50k.
BOA never complained 1X about what I was doing. And many times I ended up moving from BOA to Citi even before BOA collected on checks.
So I think the OP is leaving something out. Maybe he deposited business credit card checks into his personal account or 3rd party checks. Maybe he linked up accounts not in his name but his wife name and did external transfers to her account. All of the above cases are against BOA terms of service and could raise some red flags.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:43p
SUCKISSTAPLES is on the right track. Anyway, I decided to make one last call to see if I could speak to a supervisor. The CSR who answered told me:
1.) The decision is final. 2.) There aren't any supervisors I can speak to. 3.) "Bank of America doesn't like people depositing convenience checks." 4.) "Bank of America is not going to help you steal money." 5.) "We don't have an address to give you." 6.) When I asked for an address to send a complaint, I was told "you can't sue us," even though I didn't mention that. She then hung up on me.
I don't know what in the world is wrong with the people in this department. Again, I was polite and simply asked to speak to a supervisor about the matter. When they refused, I asked for an address to send my complaint, which they also refused. The phone number is (818) 291-8649 if anyone is interested.
To make matters worse, all my transactions for the month of November have been returned, including all my credit card payments. I'm also being charged NSF fees and returned payment fees for each of these transactions since each of my accounts appear to be in the negative over $800,000. What a nightmare.
I'm never doing business with Bank of America again and I'm going to pursue this matter legally. I'm nearly 100% certain I'm being profiled because of my name.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:46p
dolmar said: I have had a BOA MRA account for like 10 years and never keep more than $500 in it. From Sept of 06 till Oct of 07 I used BOA as my primary bank and Citigroup PB as my primary brokerage account. I would deposit over $40k a month into BOA and maintained $50k min in my AAA MMA at all times. As soon as I could find VRDN, ARS, Commercial Paper or Government Discount notes in inventory at Citi I would buy the bonds from Citi and write a check against my AAA MMA for whole balance in my account except $50k.
BOA never complained 1X about what I was doing. And many times I ended up moving from BOA to Citi even before BOA collected on checks.
So I think the OP is leaving something out. Maybe he deposited business credit card checks into his personal account or 3rd party checks. Maybe he linked up accounts not in his name but his wife name and did external transfers to her account. All of the above cases are against BOA terms of service and could raise some red flags. I deposited a total of 6 balance transfer checks. I also performed a total of 9 transfers in the last 60 days. Five were for CDs at Discover Bank, 2 to pay my credit cards, 1 to Citibank, and 1 to Banc of America Investment Services. All the transactions were personal and in my name only.
theficus said: I deposited a total of 6 balance transfer checks. I also performed a total of 9 transfers in the last 60 days. Five were for CDs at Discover Bank, 2 to pay my credit cards, 1 to Citibank, and 1 to Banc of America Investment Services. All the transactions were personal and in my name only.
So all 6 BT checks were drawn against personal accounts and issued to your personally? I know lots of business credit cards mail out BT checks to people in there "fake business" names and people just deposit them into there own personal accounts. These type of transactions would raise some red flags even if your name was Bob Smith or Bill Clinton.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:54p
dolmar said: So all 6 BT checks were drawn against personal accounts and issued to your personally? I know lots of business credit cards mail out BT checks to people in there "fake business" names and people just deposit them into there own personal accounts. These type of transactions would raise some red flags even if your name was Bob Smith or Bill Clinton. I deposited the convenience checks that were included with my Chase cards and the checks that Citi mailed to me. I also had a direct deposit from a Bank of America credit card. They were all from personal cards made out to me.
Also, I called before reading SIS's post. No, I didn't record the call because I don't have the equipment to do so.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:54p
theficus said:
I'm never doing business with Bank of America again and I'm going to pursue this matter legally. I'm nearly 100% certain I'm being profiled because of my name. Best option is to just don't do any more business with them, If you do pursue good luck fighting what is probably one of the largest legal departments in the Country. What they did to you is within their rights and you will never be able to prove profiling.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 3:58p
scott1961 said: Best option is to just don't do any more business with them, If you do pursue good luck fighting what is probably one of the largest legal departments in the Country. What they did to you is within their rights and you will never be able to prove profiling. At the very least I'm going to publicize my ordeal. I'm thinking Consumerist and Digg. Anywhere else?
theficus said: I deposited the convenience checks that were included with my Chase cards and the checks that Citi mailed to me. I also had a direct deposit from a Bank of America credit card. They were all from personal cards made out to me.
Also, I called before reading SIS's post. No, I didn't record the call because I don't have the equipment to do so.
You keep avoiding the question. Where these checks drawn against business credit cards?
Look at the action AMEX took in this thread against someone for writing checks from business cards to there personal account. This would not be the first time someone reported a problem with a bank or credit card for deposit business checks into a personal account. BOA credit card department has been known to forward complaints to BOA bank for transaction they consider funny and having the bank close that persons personal bank accounts.
BTW BOA is with in there rights to close your account and refuse to do business with you for any reason and they are with in there legal rights to do so as long as it is not based on sex, race or religion.
3.) "Bank of America doesn't like people depositing convenience checks." 4.) "Bank of America is not going to help you steal money."I find these two sentences interesting, particularly the 'steal money' part.
BOA thinks they have stopped a thief. From doing what ?? Perhaps collecting cash and then declaring BK ? It's hard to even wildly speculate here, given the long term relationship OP has with the bank including salary direct deposit.
Goto your local craft store. Purchase a posterboard and a stick. Write on it, BOA closed my accounts because I am **insert race here** and then called me a***insert racial slur here*** and stole all of my money. Ask me for more information.
Stand outside your local BOA branch and let everyone see your sign. Wait for manager to come out and bend over backwards to fix the issue. (Someone please make this a How to deal with a company that screws you over sticky)
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 4:05p
dolmar said: You keep avoiding the question. Where these checks drawn against business credit cards?
Look at the action AMEX took in this thread against someone for writing checks from business cards to there personal account. This would not be the first time someone reported a problem with a bank or credit card for deposit business checks into a personal account. BOA credit card department has been known to forward complaints to BOA bank for transaction they consider funny and having the bank close that persons personal bank accounts. I already said they were all from personal credit cards. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question; do you mean something else?
I find these two sentences interesting, particularly the 'steal money' part.
BOA thinks they have stopped a thief. From doing what ?? Perhaps collecting cash and then declaring BK ? It's hard to even wildly speculate here, given the long term relationship OP has with the bank including salary direct deposit. Right. The only logical conclusion I can arrive at is that Bank of America thinks I'm either planning to not pay my credit cards or launder money. But that isn't a strong case because I only used 1 Bank of America card for my AOR and I can't imagine they're looking out for Chase or Citi.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 4:06p
dolmar said: BTW BOA is with in there rights to close your account and refuse to do business with you for any reason and they are with in there legal rights to do so as long as it is not based on sex, race or religion. One of those fits my theory...
Are you now, or have you ever been a member of any terrorist organization?
PolarDude
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Nov. 6, 2007 @ 4:21p
OP should try calling BofA executive CS, if he hasn't already. E-mail the CEO. I think he may be able to prove emotional distress for the racal slur. BofA has DEEP pockets, and with all the green this thread has, I think a lawyer may take the case on contingency.
PolarDude said: OP should try calling BofA executive CS, if he hasn't already. E-mail the CEO. I think he may be able to prove emotional distress for the racal slur. BofA has DEEP pockets, and with all the green this thread has, I think a lawyer may take the case on contingency.I can tell you one thing for absolute certain. Lawyers don't take cases on contingency fees, based upon the level of green a post gets on fatwallet. At least, lawyers who earn a living.
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