No, the $888,888.88 debits reappeared on my accounts this morning. I've been hit with even more fees too. I'm on the phone with them right now (on hold, of course).
theficus said: No, the $888,888.88 debits reappeared on my accounts this morning. I've been hit with even more fees too. I'm on the phone with them right now (on hold, of course). As has been pointed out repeatedly, you would be better off resolving this in person or in writing. Calling doesnt seem to be helpful.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 5:02p
The local branch said they are locked out of my accounts. I finally reached a CSR, but she promptly hung up when I told her I was on a recorded line.
EDIT: On second thought, she mentions the accounts closures were ordered by the card division, a different reason than what I was told last time.
ArbolLoco
Tired Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 5:39p
I love how you edited out your account number... but left me listening to the stupid BofA hold jingle that makes me want to kill myself.
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 5:40p
ArbolLoco said: I love how you edited out your account number... but left me listening to the stupid BofA hold jingle that makes me want to kill myself. Be thankful I cut out the first 30 minutes I had to hold for! In fact, I'm on hold right now waiting to speak with another CSR. This time, however, I'll leave in the part where it states "calls may be monitored for quality assurance purposes" to prove my point.
ArbolLoco
Tired Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 5:51p
I have to admit that is total BS.
ArbolLoco
Tired Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 6:41p
just a FYI I just got off the phone with BofA and when I mentioned that I wanted to tell them that certain transactions should not be deemed suspicious... she opened a "money laundering" screen and followed specific instructions that she got off that screen.
ArbolLoco said: just a FYI I just got off the phone with BofA and when I mentioned that I wanted to tell them that certain transactions should not be deemed suspicious... she opened a "money laundering" screen and followed specific instructions that she got off that screen.Are you sure that she wasn't reading DavidScubadiver's post?
kranky
Ancient Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 8:01p
I have a feeling that recording could get some play from the news media. It would be a struggle for BoA to defend that.
hoope4
Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 8:43p
theficus said: The local branch said they are locked out of my accounts.
Did you try getting the local branch manager to make a call for you? If he/she asks the same questions, you might have a better shot at getting some answers.
DiabloD3
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 9:41p
Several of you have basically said "if I walked around the hole, it doesn't exist anymore", what about those of us who have never been BoA customers? I haven't been, and all the crap they do makes me want to be one less and less.
Between all the data loss issues they've had over the past 5 years (ie, more than once), and all the rich customers (OP included since) they've screwed over the years.
Besides Technologist, who seems to be FWF's BoA fanboy, I'm surprised anyone deals with them.
OP, soon as you get your money back, run like the wind.
CJ4A
Happy Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 10:15p
i've always hated BOA... so. good luck to you
ArbolLoco
Tired Member
posted: Nov. 8, 2007 @ 10:25p
DiabloD3 said: Besides Technologist, who seems to be FWF's BoA fanboy, I'm surprised anyone deals with them.They have a branch one block from my house, and they have a branch one block from my office.
When I go out of town on business or pleasure, there is usually a branch within a few blocks of anywhere I am.
DiabloD3 said: Besides Technologist, who seems to be FWF's BoA fanboy, I'm surprised anyone deals with them.Dont forget me . I've stuck up for BofA quite a bit; I've actually moved more of my banking, biz and personal, to them over the past couple years.
They screw up a lot, and sometimes it takes some persistance to get it fixed, but in the end I've always come out further ahead then if I had avoided them from the start (I esp love how they reallocate biz lines, but routinely 'forget' to decrease the limit of card your are reallocating from ). Admittedly, having gotten $800 for opening 13 checking accounts with them over the past 2 years probably has something to do with my optimism.......
As for the OP's situation, I'm guessing it was a simple fraud alert on the account that would have been cleared up rather painlessly if given the chance, but instead spiraled out of control with some knee-jerk initial reactions.
theficus said: ArbolLoco said: I love how you edited out your account number... but left me listening to the stupid BofA hold jingle that makes me want to kill myself. Be thankful I cut out the first 30 minutes I had to hold for! In fact, I'm on hold right now waiting to speak with another CSR. This time, however, I'll leave in the part where it states "calls may be monitored for quality assurance purposes" to prove my point. That's hilarious. "Yes, we record the calls but we won't talk to you if you're also recording the calls." This reeks of "we screwed up big time and don't want you to have proof of it on tape."
I don't know that it's ever held up in court, but I'd imagine since the customer service reps already know they're being recorded that they have already consented. I suppose hanging up on you is one way around that pesky fact.
As long as they have a statement saying calls may be recorded (I believe) you should be able to record without saying anything to them.
If their message states the call may be recorded, then BOTH PARTIES are notified of such and must consent to it. Therefore, whether your state is one-party notification or two-party notification required, you should be covered.
I believe the OP's state is 2 party consent, which stinks. A person I knew (older gentleman) would record all major calls, both as documentation and to overcome his forgetfulness in my 1 side state. I have no idea about interstate call legalities w/o consent. Funny how all these major companies love to record our side of the conversation but refuse to give back the same courtesy.
Best of luck OP, if nothing else sharing your story will likely impact a few opinions of dealing with this company.
cutevera
Member
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 2:06a
i'm sorry to what happen to you BANK OF AMERICA IS NOT REALIBLE BANK IT HAPPEN TO ME NOT EXACTLY> BUT THEY CHEATED ME SUE TEHM AND DONT TRUST THEM ANYMORE
Awesome, so lately BofA are hanging up calls when you are recording the conversation? Way to go, OP, it seems you are beginning to learn changing BofA's attitude!
(makes me want to have a recording device when going to talk to the boss)
aquariumwarehouse
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 4:34a
gatzdon said: theficus said: .... I think I should at least be able to recover all the fees I've incurred as a result of Bank of America's actions.
I don't want to discourage you, but lately there has been a lack of justice in the legal system. The only way you can recover fees is if you can cite a specific law that BOA violated. And then, you can only collect up to the amount that law allows for.
Good Luck
You might consider a "Small Claims Court" case to recover your NSF fees, that at least will get the info out in the open and in the legal system.
alphacow
Happy Member
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 4:53a
Well, all I've got to say is this is Bull Honkey. Good luck to you, hope you get it resolved. I'm going to close out my Boa accounts.
RS4Rings
Back in Rehab
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 5:06a
glxpass said: scott1961 said: DavidScubadiver said: Monkeysan said: If someone else steps into a hole, but you walk around it, does the hole not exist for you? Basically, for all intents and purposes, the hole does not exist for me if I've walked around it. Right, Not to sound uncaring, but I am. As long as I have no problems then why should I worry about someone else's ? I'd say the hole exists for you if someone you care for steps into it. I hope the "as long as I have no problems" question was an attempt at humor; if not, then I'd re-think that question. Was not an attempt at humor and was the truth. First if I had the the problem OP is having I would not be wasting all this time posting here, I would plant myself at the nearest branch and want a sit down with someone. Also I see many times in this thread that BoA sucks and they have high fees and terrible service, I have not experienced any of that and always felt fees are the results of a mistake. So if others want to say BoA sucks then I can say BoA is great
glxpass
Senior Member - 5K
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 5:48a
Thanks for the explanation. That made more sense to me than the statement that I responded to. And, yes, I find it curious that OP is spending so much of his time not actually trying to get the problem cleared up, but generating discussion here. The recording that he linked to seemed to be more designed to provoke a hang-up response than to actually solve the problem. The thing is, I do have sympathy for people who are in these kind of predicaments, and if BoA really did these things to OP, then it does bother me, regardless of how I've been treated by BoA, and regardless of whether or not BoA had the legal right to do what they did. What I don't have sympathy for is when someone in that situation simply exacerbates the problem, rather than tries to solve it. Regrettably, that seems to be the case here.
And to put it into perspective, I see a "copycat" tnread. After reading its initial post, that's it for my reading and participating here, and I'm not going over to that thread again. These type of threads belong on Bank of America Sucks, rather than FWF.
EDIT: On second thought, she mentions the accounts closures were ordered by the card division, a different reason than what I was told last time.Two things I have to note: First, you don't SOUND like a terrorist. And, second -- I have the same question as somebody else did -- how did she know you were recording? Do you use a device that gives an audible beep?
EDIT: On second thought, she mentions the accounts closures were ordered by the card division, a different reason than what I was told last time.Two things I have to note: First, you don't SOUND like a terrorist. And, second -- I have the same question as somebody else did -- how did she know you were recording? Do you use a device that gives an audible beep?
It's probably noted on the account to ask if they're being recorded, as that was the second time he was hung up on for recording calls.
theficus said: The local branch said they are locked out of my accounts. I finally reached a CSR, but she promptly hung up when I told her I was on a recorded line.He told the CSR that he was on a recorded line... that is how they knew. OP, Do not tell them - as a previous poster said, as long as there is notification (I am assuming BofA phone system gives this notification) that the line is being recorded by either party, you can legally record the call.
asharerin
Senior Member
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 8:57a
You should be happy BOA is closing your accounts! 2 years ago it took me 3 months and 6 visits to my local branch to close a checking account. They wanted their monthly fee and refused to close it. If you are a shareholder this bank is great. If you are a custy forget about it. I just take them for a few grand in credit card sign up bonuses every year. Stay well clear for any other purposes IMO. Great stock to own tho lol.
dumroo said: He told the CSR that he was on a recorded line... that is how they knew.
Did you listen to the recording? He didn't come right out and say "oh, by the way...I'm recording this". She asks if he needs to know the reason for the closure, he says yes he does, she starts reading off the screen "it says bank card referral" and then she stops mid sentence and asks him if hes recording the conversation. In the recording, I don't hear any audible beep or anything that would give her an indication.
I suspect she was about to say something that would make the bank look bad.
LordKronos said: Did you listen to the recording? He didn't come right out and say "oh, by the way...I'm recording this".
That was the second call. He didn't post the first call, and as dumroo correctly quoted he admitting to telling them the line was recorded that first time. Since he told them he's recording calls it's probably now noted on his account to ask him if he's recording before sharing any more information.
OP sounds like you need bigger balls to take legal action against them.
Everybody has been suggesting to do it NOW but you prefer to wait for them instead. Take the bull by its horns!!!!!!!!!!!!!
theficus
Member
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 10:39a
The CSRs know the line is being recorded because my phone makes a beep when it's recording. I'm not going to lie and tell them otherwise. I have some more audio with another rude and unhelpful CSR. She claimed that "Bank of America monitors phone calls but doesn't record them." I'll try to post that in a few hours.
I called again this morning and spoke to a CSR without recording the conversation. She told me the following information:
1.) My accounts are closed as of 11/06/07. She then contradicted herself by stating that my accounts are open to receive credits only. 2.) Bank of America will send me my money when they "feel it's appropriate." 3.) They will deduct the several hundred dollars in fees from my refund check. 4.) I am blacklisted by Bank of America. They also share this information with other banks. 5.) It's not Bank of America's problem if all my payments bounce. It's also not their problem if they continue to take my paychecks and hold them. "You shouldn't commit fraud if you don't want to have these problems." 6.) There is a note on my account stating "CSRs are not to speak with this individual. He is known to record conversations. Refer him to our legal department only." She hung up on me after reading this. I guess she didn't see it until she read it to me.
I'm going to the courthouse Monday to file my lawsuit. I'll post updates as things happen.
gizmotoy said: That was the second call. He didn't post the first call, and as dumroo correctly quoted he admitting to telling them the line was recorded that first time.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the recoding he posted was of the same conversation he had mentioned in the previous post.
theficus said: The CSRs know the line is being recorded because my phone makes a beep when it's recording. I'm not going to lie and tell them otherwise. I have some more audio with another rude and unhelpful CSR. She claimed that "Bank of America monitors phone calls but doesn't record them." I'll try to post that in a few hours.
I called again this morning and spoke to a CSR without recording the conversation. She told me the following information:
1.) My accounts are closed as of 11/06/07. She then contradicted herself by stating that my accounts are open to receive credits only. 2.) Bank of America will send me my money when they "feel it's appropriate." 3.) They will deduct the several hundred dollars in fees from my refund check. 4.) I am blacklisted by Bank of America. They also share this information with other banks. 5.) It's not Bank of America's problem if all my payments bounce. It's also not their problem if they continue to take my paychecks and hold them. "You shouldn't commit fraud if you don't want to have these problems." 6.) There is a note on my account stating "CSRs are not to speak with this individual. He is known to record conversations. Refer him to our legal department only." She hung up on me after reading this. I guess she didn't see it until she read it to me.
I'm going to the courthouse Monday to file my lawsuit. I'll post updates as things happen.What state are you filing in?
theficus said: The CSRs know the line is being recorded because my phone makes a beep when it's recording. I'm not going to lie and tell them otherwise. I have some more audio with another rude and unhelpful CSR. She claimed that "Bank of America monitors phone calls but doesn't record them." I'll try to post that in a few hours.
I called again this morning and spoke to a CSR without recording the conversation. She told me the following information:
1.) My accounts are closed as of 11/06/07. She then contradicted herself by stating that my accounts are open to receive credits only. 2.) Bank of America will send me my money when they "feel it's appropriate." 3.) They will deduct the several hundred dollars in fees from my refund check. 4.) I am blacklisted by Bank of America. They also share this information with other banks. 5.) It's not Bank of America's problem if all my payments bounce. It's also not their problem if they continue to take my paychecks and hold them. "You shouldn't commit fraud if you don't want to have these problems." 6.) There is a note on my account stating "CSRs are not to speak with this individual. He is known to record conversations. Refer him to our legal department only." She hung up on me after reading this. I guess she didn't see it until she read it to me.
I'm going to the courthouse Monday to file my lawsuit. I'll post updates as things happen.
Even if it were a scam, I'd still chip in $10 if you need a lawyer in order to fight against BofA, I hope the other FWers feel the same.
Tell us if you need.
codename47
Senior Member - 3K
posted: Nov. 9, 2007 @ 10:56a
Dude, you should have never told them you were recording and should have recorded every call from the start. The terrorist reference would have been priceless.
Disclaimer: By providing links to other sites, FatWallet.com does not guarantee, approve or endorse the information or products available at these sites, nor does a link indicate any association with or endorsement by the linked site to FatWallet.com.
Members of our community may attach files to a post in accordance with the User Agreement. FatWallet is not responsible for the content, accuracy, completeness or validity of any information contained in any attached file. Files have *not* been scanned for viruses. Be especially wary of Excel files which may contain malicious content.