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Yes, sorry... but Im wearing my tin-foil hat today

Would cash be worthless (i.e. saved in the home safe/in the mattress)?

I would hope our nation/communities would be civil but you never know what people are capable of (robbing/riots/etc...just look at New Orleans). Does anyone actually have an emergency surplus of food and water? I dont have one but I have been thinking about what I would do under dire circumstances. Sorry if this is a repost, I searched but only found relevance to emergency cash savings which may not be valuable in this situation.


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You are not brianbrianbrian, are you?


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Just started watching Jericho, I'll give you an answer after a few more episodes.


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-Non-perishable food
-Ruger mini-30 rifle (or AK47) and a 9mm pistol
-Plenty of water and ammo


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OmahaAndy said:Just started watching Jericho, I'll give you an answer after a few more episodes.
The answer it nuts, lots and lots of nuts.

Don't let your spouse watch 6 Feet Under or they'll never let you hoard emergency food/water


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hookers and blow


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First of all, "Depression" is not something that requires you to "stock up" on anything. Disaster is another matter, and you get all your petrified heart's content from Google if you do a simple search. But you should have a flashlight, batteries, a radio and some drinking water. A backup generator is also useful for an extended blackout, especially if you have a sump pump and don't want your basement flooded.

Finally, a hardwired telephone.

And a puppy. If you have a puppy people will feel sorry for you and give you food.


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All you need is food, water, big screen TV, generator, and a hot chick. I will take care of the gun and ammo part.


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A gun, and one bullet. Put in mouth, Pull trigger and no worries


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No because you dont ear 5% interest on ammo, guns or food! FWF is all about living the good life and maximizing profits and ignoring any possible disasters outside our scope of daily life.


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Jeez, not again. Don't you have a Y2K survivor website to maintain, brian?


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brianbrianbrian said:FWF is all about living the good life and maximizing profits and ignoring any possible disasters outside our scope of daily life.

The OP has been asked and answered at least once every 6 months since the beginning of FWF.

But I would, with all seriousness, nominate b-cubed's statement for consideration as the official epitaph of the consumer credit bubble.

edit: besides there's really only one thing you need in time of disaster. Jerky. Beef jerky.
(seems so obvious)


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On the serious side of things, here are some items I'd recommend:

*SEEDS*
1.) Moringa oleifera tree (Highly nutritious and useful beyond belief. Do a Google search. Neat, eh?)
2.) Wolfberry fruit (Sweet-tasting, delicious and comparable to #1 in qualities.)
3.) Stevia rebaudiana (Calorie-free sugar substitute and sweeter too. Leaves can be dried and stored.)
4.) "Tomato-Potato" plant (Grow both with less space)
5.) Organic soybeans (make milk, tofu, soynut butter, cheese,etc. You name it!)
6.) Quinoa "grain" (Provides a complete protein and much more nutritional value than wheat or barley.)
7.) Tobacco (for trade purposes)
8.) Marijuana (for trade; only if there is a total collapse & breakdown, for now just don't)
8.) Aloe Vera (medicinal and cosmetic wonder)
9.) Common herbs used for cooking and medicine
10.) Organic, non-hybrid, foil-sealed versions of common gardening crops (e.g., corn, lettuce, greens, onions, etc.)

*CHEMICALS*
1.) 30g container of loose laboratory grade Potassium Permanganate powder. (Availble on eBay or in local fish store)
2.) 30ml bottle of laboratory grade reagent Glycerin. (Also available on eBay or in local drug store).
3.) 100 lb drum of dry chlorinated bleach (Available at Amazon)
4.) 25g container of resublimed USP-grade iodine crystals. (Hard to find and expensive, but worth it.)

Comments on Chemicals:
The Potassium Permanganate can either be used to sterilize water or used with the Glycerin as an agent to help conduct a fire. When Glycerin is poured over the Potassium Permanganate, a flame results that is 2,000+ degrees (hot enough to ignite thermite). The Glycerin also has many other uses, one of which is in creating a moisturizing soap. The chlorinated bleach has so many other uses than for laundry that it's impossible to list them all here. (But, the important thing is to get the dry for, as this significantly improves its shelf-life by decades.) The iodine crystals can purify water by the thousands of gallons, can be used to make iodine tincture for cuts and scrapes, and has so many other uses they're impossible to list here as well.

*TOOLS*
1.) SureFire E2D Executive Defender Personal Defense Xenon Flashlight with 60 Lumens
2.) Ka-Bar USMC Fighting Knife with Brown Leather Sheath, 7 in., Plain
3.) EMT Scissors (Stainless Steel)
4.) Victorinox Swiss Army Ranger Pocket Knife (Red)
5.) Fox 40 Classic CMG (Cushioned Mouth Grip) Police Whistle
6.) Seychelle Filtering Water Bottles (Canteen Version)
7.) Coleman Folding Shovel & Pick
8.) Glock 26 "Baby Glock" 9mm Pistol with tactical light and laser aim
9.) 100 ft. of "550" Parachute cord
10.) Military surplus Large alice pack with many pockets and a lot of inside space.
11.) Butane windproof "hand torch"
12.) Small Sawed-off Shotgun
13.) Best quality fishing pole you can find.
14.) Flint stone
15.) Small hatchet axe


*FOOD*
1.) 2 cans of Morton table salt.
2.) 2-Year Supply of Mountain House Food Storage Cans (Shelflife >30 yrs; After 30 years they've test them to be sure!)
3.) Freeze-dried foods
4.) 250 pounds of wheat (sealed and preserved tub)
5.) 100 pounds of oats (sealed and preserved tub)
6.) 250 pounds of brown & rice (sealed and preserved)
7.) 100 pounds of dried corn (sealed and preserved)
8.) 100 pounds of sugar
9.) 1 Gallon of Vinegar (Other good uses besides food too!)


*CLOTHING & SHELTER*
1.) Heatsheet 2-Person Survival Blanket
2.) Columbia Bugaboo Four to Five-Person Family Dome Tent
3.) Quick-dry clothing sets (at least 1 pair of both desert and forest camos)
4.) Wool socks
5.) Dr. Martens Steel-Toed Boots
6.) Full-grain leather Running shoes with hillside/mountain cleats
7.) Rain poncho
8.) Briefcase folding umbrella


*MONEY*
1.) 25% of your Savings in 1 oz. 24K Gold bars
2.) 10% of your Savings in 1 oz. 99.99% Silver rounds
3.) 60% of your Savings invested in low-volatility value stocks and mutual funds that consistently pay high dividends (in case things aren't as bad as they seem; still very)
4.) 15% of your savings in cash in a high-interest checking account

*TRANSPORTATION & ENERGY*
1.) Shimano mountain bike (& buy non-deflatable bike tires to go along with it)
2.) Salvaged 275 gallon horizontal fuel tank filled with premium quality gasoline with BHT additive
3.) 1,250 Watt Portable Electric Generator

*HEALTH*
1.) Military Hospital Grade First Aid Kit (Sorry, morphine syringes are still not included.)
2.) Extra pair of sturdy glasses (forget the contacts)
3.) Extra prescription medications

*ETC*
1.) Ten 6oz. Deodorant stones (each is good for 1-2 years)
2.) Reusable ice packs
3.) Reusable heat packs
4.) Sports towels


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greling said:On the serious side of things, here are some items I'd recommend:

*SEEDS*
1.) Moringa oleifera tree (Highly nutritious and useful beyond belief. Do a Google search. Neat, eh?)
2.) Wolfberry fruit (Sweet-tasting, delicious and comparable to #1 in qualities.)
3.) Stevia rebaudiana (Calorie-free sugar substitute and sweeter too. Leaves can be dried and stored.)
4.) "Tomato-Potato" ...

Holy Hell!!!

... and have greling as a neighbor.

~miser


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Kill your neighbor and eat his tree.
I say, have nothing, nobody will want what you have and you can avoid being a victim.


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The only thing you need is a couple of guns and plenty of ammo. There are lots of people who don't "believe" in guns - you can take their emergency food and water with ease.


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After reading "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy, I decided you definitely need a well stocked bunker or cave.

Geesh that was a scary book.

We are on a worst-case scenario topic right?


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To add something constructive to the OPs. I learned in a commmunity emergency response class that the typical/historical federal disaster response is 72-96 hours. (please do not ask me to cite sources).
I know some would argue that you shouldn't rely on the Feds helping you at all, and I agree. My point is that a back pack, roll along suitcase, with 3-5 days of stuff isn't that much to stuff somewhere in the apartment and act as a bridge until you can get to a better location or better assistance. I believe if you google "bug-out bag" there are a few lists of what to pack.

Now if you are talking about a 6 month emergency supply of food and water similar to cash savings, that might take some time to accumulate. A backpack water filter can be cheap.

Props to the greling.


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Hehe, on all the gub forums, we call this a SHTF thread


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