I changed job this year and did not realize that I have to make sure that I do not contribute more than 15500, so I am over by $5000. What are my options , can I just keep it in my 401(k) and pay some penalty etc ( ie no tax benefit etc) or I have to get a distribution of excess contribution? I have already converted the previous employer's 401K into a rollover IRA.
I searched this forum, and could not find anything. If its already answered, I will appreciate pointer to previous discussion.
the only downside is that you pay 2x the tax on the excess amount since you are paying income tax on it now, also taxed when you withdraw
frootmall
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Dec. 13, 2007 @ 2:40p
netguru253 said: I changed job this year and did not realize that I have to make sure that I do not contribute more than 15500, so I am over by $5000. What are my options , can I just keep it in my 401(k) and pay some penalty etc ( ie no tax benefit etc) or I have to get a distribution of excess contribution? I have already converted the previous employer's 401K into a rollover IRA.
I searched this forum, and could not find anything. If its already answered, I will appreciate pointer to previous discussion.
Since you already rolled the first employer's 401k into an IRA, your only option for a correction (if you want to make one) is from the second employer.
Your options: 1) Do nothing. In this case, you will have to add the $5000 to line 7 (wages) of your Form 1040 and pay tax on it. The advantage of this option is that you will get to keep your earnings and matching contributions in the 401k. The disadvantage is that you will have to pay taxes on the $5000 both now and when you withdraw it after you retire.
2) See if your employer can designate the extra $5000 as an after-tax contribution. Most employer plans don't have this option, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Advantage: You won't pay tax on the $5000 when you withdraw it and get to keep earnings and matching funds in your 401k. Disadvantage: You'll pay tax this year.
3) Ask your employer to give you a corrective distribution of the $5000 PLUS EARNINGS by April 15th. Your employer is not obligated to honor your request. Advantage: You won't pay taxes on the $5000 twice. Disadvantage: You have to withdraw the earnings and forfeit any matches and you will have to pay tax on both the $5000 and the earnings this year. Notice: Do NOT do this after April 15th. If you can't get the corrective distribution done by April 15th, you will be better off just leaving the money in your 401k.
You may find several places on the web that say there will be a penalty every year until you withdraw the extra $5000 from the 401k. The people that say this are confusing the 6% excess contribution penalty on IRAs with the 401k rules. The excess contribution penalty does not apply to a 401k. The only "penalty" is that the extra $5000 will be taxable this year but still considered before-tax money in your 401k.
netguru253
Member
posted: Dec. 13, 2007 @ 3:19p
Thanks for the detailed reply frootmall. I really appreciate it. My current employer do have option for after tax contribution but I am not sure if they agree to make it after tax, I will be able to get the matching contribution or not.
Thanks again.
brianbrianbrian
Senior Member
posted: Dec. 13, 2007 @ 3:33p
I didnt realize you could over contribute. This may be a GOOD thing for my situation.
Right now I am in a LOW tax bracket so the initial tax on the excess money wont bother me.
I plan on rolling over my 401k into my Roth in following years when I go back to medical school and am in a ZERO tax bracket so the second tax wont hurt me really either.
But I want to secure my money into IRAs to protect it from creditors/BK/Divorce, and secure as much as possible before I get out of medical school where I will be in a high liability position. Im trying to get $100k in a ROTH IRA by age 30 and the only way I can really do this in my current position is if I overcontribute.
frootmall
Senior Member - 1K
posted: Dec. 13, 2007 @ 3:46p
The only way to overcontribute is to have multiple employers.
If a single employer let you contribute more than the maximum before-tax, they would risk having their plan disqualified.
But it would make far more sense to make after-tax contributions to your 401k if you want to put more money in (assuming your employer offers that option). Those would not be taxed when you take them out. And after-tax contributions are not subject to the $15,500 limit. But total contributions to a 401k plan (employee before-tax plus employee after-tax plus employer matches) are subject to a $45,000 annual limit (or 100% of salary, whichever is less) per employer (not per employee).
And, by the way, putting your money in a 401k or IRA will not protect it against divorce settlements.
brianbrianbrian
Senior Member
posted: Dec. 13, 2007 @ 3:57p
frootmall said: And, by the way, putting your money in a 401k or IRA will not protect it against divorce settlements.
My understanding is that a divorce in many states just splits all money that you earn AFTER the marriage takes place. So if my entire lifetime IRA contributions were placed before the marriage, I cant imagine how my future ex-wife could sue for that. At the very least if its in the IRA she wont be able to spend it while I am temporarily married to her.
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