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This probably belongs in HD, but I like FWF more. yesIsearched. Credit to liquimatic at SD.

Effective January 1, 2008, "any gift certificate with a cash value of less than ten dollars ($10) is redeemable in cash for its cash value" (CA SB 250, approved by the governator and filed Oct 13, 2007).

Supposedly some stores already do this, but now there's a law for all. Good for the consumer IMHO (I have a few GCs < $10 I haven't used because I don't shop at those stores much), also opens a small door for shenanigans, such as buying GCs at grocery stores with a ca$h back cc and redeeming for cash.

Stores that will cash out GCs:

Macy's
BB
TJ Maxx
RiteAid
Longs Drugs
Target
CVS
Home Depot
Blockbuster
Safeway
Staples
Express
WalMart
Lowe's

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Awesome for California. . .

1) Buy cards at grocery store for 10.00 on 5% rewards
2) Buy 1oz of bulk food for .01
3) get 9.99 in cash. 50 cents in reward?
4) Profit 49 cents?

I see some benefit, but I doubt it'll be worth the trouble.

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Why buy the food? One may purchase just gift cards. Even so, the price of the food should be included in your profit calcs.

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I suppose the bigger danger would be...buy 1000 $10 gift cards with a 5% Cash Back CC. Redeem the 1000 cards for $10k cash, allowing you to pay off the CC. Pocket .05*10000 = $500....

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is cash value of gift card the same as the redemption value ?

also, some AMEX cards have points instead of dollars with terms saying 1 point = 1 dollar. don't know why they do that, but it could be to avoid such laws ..

anyone in the know ?

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I don't think it's worth the trouble either, but there's crazy people everywhere. One could come up with some regular routine and perfect it, like go to a mall with a SO or some friends, hit up a few stores to cash-in, then get "free" ice cream or movie tix, or just pocket it.

I didn't think the "crazy way" FAR laptops were worth the trouble, but look at 'em long threads.

idealguru -- I'm pretty sure cash value of gift card = redemption value.

Also this law only applies to retail gift cards, not Visa/MC/Am.Ex, coupons, or promotions/promotional GCs. Read the PDF, it's only two pages and high1ights changes to the existing law.

BTW, if not obvious, this also allows you to slowly pull cash out of a CC (and get paid instead of paying for it).

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doesn't mention online store gc's... such as Amazon.

I know they have to follow the other laws such as expiration date, ect.

Would they have to mail you a check for the balance if you requested it?

If so this could be a great way to cash in thank you points.

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I don't see why it wouldn't apply to Amazon. They'll probably send a check. But it's a terrible way to cash out TY points since you'd have to do it $10 at a time, and I don't remember seeing $10 GCs at TY network. Even if they show up, they'll be like 2500 points.

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Porqin said:I suppose the bigger danger would be...buy 1000 $10 gift cards with a 5% Cash Back CC. Redeem the 1000 cards for $10k cash, allowing you to pay off the CC. Pocket .05*10000 = $500....Do that with a 0% on purchases promo and don't pay it off to make even more! Oh, the possibilities. Better be ready to deal with cops when you try to cash in a bunch of $9.99 gift cards.

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If this were to be abused in any manner it seems to me the obvious answer is that stores just won't sell gift cards for less than $10.

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I have store credit from Crate and Barrel. It is on a gift card. So in January, if my balance is less than $10 I can ask for cash?

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Why don't you use the VISA/MC cards to buy store cards and then cash them out? If you have a large GC ask the store to split it up into smaller GCs. Most stores are willing to do this.

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If it's worth your time to go through the process of abusing this for 5% on $10, you have more serious issues...

It's not like you just click a button and earn 5%, you need to buy the GCs, then either be awkward and immediately ask for the cash, or go back in line to another CSR and then request the cash refund (or, buy them online where possible and wait for them to be mailed which wouls save you some time).

The more you buy in bulk the better your time is used, but I don't think realistically you're going to buy 100 gift cards at once (and even then you're going to have to wait for them to ring them all up).

Nice theoretical idea, but doesn't seem practical. They've probably already thought this through and decided the $10 point was low enough to where it's not really worth your time to abuse it.

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scripta said:I don't think it's worth the trouble either, but there's crazy people everywhere. One could come up with some regular routine and perfect it, like go to a mall with a SO or some friends, hit up a few stores to cash-in, then get "free" ice cream or movie tix, or just pocket it.

That's probably the best way to take small advantage of this. Find a store near somewhere you go already. Buy 50 or so gift cards online from the store. Then, exchange 5 or 10 at a time when you go near there.

Even then, is it really worth your time? If you do 10 at a time, if you bought them 5% CB, that means you're "earning" $5 to do that. If it takes you 15 minutes out of your way to do it, plus the time to order online, is your time worth that much (and also knowing you're being a scammer while doing this)?

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I wonder though if retailers see you trying to cash in lets say 10 $5 cards and just take it and turn it into one $50 card.

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walletfart said:...Even then, is it really worth your time? If you do 10 at a time, if you bought them 5% CB, that means you're "earning" $5 to do that. If it takes you 15 minutes out of your way to do it, plus the time to order online, is your time worth that much (and also knowing you're being a scammer while doing this)?Like I said, it's not worth the trouble for many, but $5 in 15 or even 30 minutes is better than minimum wage. My ante went up over the last few years with salary and AOR balances going up and free time going down. A few years ago I would have probably done it.

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I read the link in the OP to the information about the bill. One thing that is not present (at least in the linked file) is any restriction as to the way the refund must be issued.

Perhaps the law would allow retailers to redeem the under-$10 cards by asking you to send the card with a SASE to their headquarters? Or to a rebate processing company in El Paso Texas? Postage alone would kill any profit potential. Or perhaps retailers could set up a walk-in gift card redemption center in a small desert town along the Nevada border to satisfy the requirements?

I'm sure that if people find ways to game the system, retailers could be equally resourceful in finding ways to thwart them.

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^^^ (h) For purposes of this section, “cash” includes, but is not limited to, currency or check. If accepted by both parties, an electronic funds transfer or an application of the balance to a subscriber’s wireless telecommunications account is permissible.

I doubt they'll make you jump through hoops to get cash < $10. I guess we'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

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More shenanigan possibilities. If you have, say, a $30 gift card you don't want, and want to get cash, you can buy 4 items less than $10 each, and return them separately. Each return is less than $10 so you can either get cash or get a gift card back which you can convert to cash. Big hassle, not worth it for most, but a possibility.

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