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From my experience, 5 Chase apps isn't too many. I did an AOR two weeks ago and was approved (not instantly) for the Sony and Platinum Visa (personal) and the GM, Amazon, Biz Cash and Biz Rebate (business).


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markkundinger said:5 Chase cards is too many.

You seem to be missing a Citibank business card, with which to reallocate credit and then BT the crap out of.

And, if you enjoy financial reviews, I'd recommend an AMX card with a 0% deal.

People seem to be agreeing with you here, so I'll consider it; however last year I applied for 2 personal and 1 business, and got $60K between the three of them. I have a very good relationship with Chase, so I might bring it down to 4 but no lower.

I thought the CitiProfessional Card was business, but you're right; its not. I added the business version.

I am staying away from AMX for that very reason. Since last year my HHI has dropped a bit and I already have $50 with AMX. I don't want to even touch AMX this time around.


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SleepyNyte said:Could you also update the link to the Principal Bank Card. Thanks.It should work better now. Thanks.

Chase Business Card listed at $75 fee has been raised to $99You're right. Updated.


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Two questions I just thought of:

1) Should I freeze Experian or not? I have 18 inquiries, all from 12-23 months ago. However, when I apply in April only 9 of them will be left.

2) I wanted to confirm the general consensus on CL reallocations.

Chase: P->B P->P B->B OK, B->P no
Citi: P->P B->B OK, B->P P->B no
BoA: P->P B->B P->B OK, B->P no
Discover: P->P B->B P->B usually OK B->P ??
AMX: P->P B->B P->B B->P OK

Assuming these are true, it looks like my game plan for the big three:

Chase: Move everything to Business at 0%
Citi: Add my new business CL to the $20K I've got, and maybe a personal 0% if I actually get a reasonable limit.
BoA: Move my current $40K+ to the NEA card at 0%


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Citibank is less consistent. While B->P is generally a firm "no", everything else is a "maybe" when reallocating. But it's worth working at it.


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SleepyNyte said:Could you also update the link to the Principal Bank Card. Thanks.Warning, Principal bank is not good with many credit inquiries, and they delay thier pull for a day or two after you apply usually.


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Couple of suggestions
1 - CardBenefit.com (via freefrequentflyermiles.com) may have some cash referral bonuses
2 - AMEX: I suggest a starwood biz card. You get 10K bonus points, a CL that is transferrable to a personal card (apply for the IN:whatever for 0% 6 months no fee) I saw that you don't need hotel points, but starwood points transfer to most airlines at a 25% bonus -- so you can fly free to your cheap hotel. The FR is not as bad as you think it'll be
3 - BankAtlantic Biz (Juniper) 15mo $75 fee Link
4 - Suntrust and Principal are both Infibank, I don't think you can get both, so maybe apply for the 12month BT first.


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Shane, regarding Chase, in my orama I applied for four Chase chards (2 biz, one personal, and one cobrand with Lasalle). However, I only NEEDED one card (business) to do the 0% with, the others were bonus grabs, and in teh case of the Lasalle bank card, just done out of curiosity to see what would happen when the bank was bought out.

So anyway, I did 4 apps, and zoomsoldier says he did 5. So I'm not saying it's impossible. However, the later apps might be better used on another card. After all, what's the point of 4 different cards with identical BT terms and no signup bonuses? You're just going to end up reallocating to one card anyway.


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devildoc said:Couple of suggestions
1 - CardBenefit.com (via freefrequentflyermiles.com) may have some cash referral bonuses
2 - AMEX: I suggest a starwood biz card. You get 10K bonus points, a CL that is transferrable to a personal card (apply for the IN:whatever for 0% 6 months no fee) I saw that you don't need hotel points, but starwood points transfer to most airlines at a 25% bonus -- so you can fly free to your cheap hotel. The FR is not as bad as you think it'll be
3 - BankAtlantic Biz (Juniper) 15mo $75 fee Link
4 - Suntrust and Principal are both Infibank, I don't think you can get both, so maybe apply for the 12month BT first.
Devildoc, thanks for your helpful comments. I made some changes based on them.


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markkundinger said:After all, what's the point of 4 different cards with identical BT terms and no signup bonuses? You're just going to end up reallocating to one card anyway.This was my thinking as well. You already have $83k available with them so I wonder how much more you'll get out of 5 apps. A year or two ago I'd figure the more the merrier, the worst they can do is say no, but after reading a few stories of folks asking for CLIs and having their lines cut for their trouble it makes me think a lower profile might be in order.


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kittenmittens said:markkundinger said:After all, what's the point of 4 different cards with identical BT terms and no signup bonuses? You're just going to end up reallocating to one card anyway.This was my thinking as well. You already have $83k available with them so I wonder how much more you'll get out of 5 apps. A year or two ago I'd figure the more the merrier, the worst they can do is say no, but after reading a few stories of folks asking for CLIs and having their lines cut for their trouble it makes me think a lower profile might be in order.I agree that they are excessive. I've taken out one BT card and replaced it with a card for bonus miles. But the primary reason is that I don't want to risk getting declined for a Chase BT offer and end up having $80-100K with nothing to BT. So by applying for 2 or 3, I was reducing that risk.


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Citi P->B should be fine. B->B reallocations are ok, but you loose 1K in consolidations (or maybe I was not persistent enough). Now, perhaps there is a trick for B->P: reallocate from Business to Professional and then convert Professional into Diamond Rewards (personal). I have not tried it.

BofA P->B are not easy.

IIRC the 25% Starwood bonus applies only to points earned from hotel stays.


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OP are you following ( The peoples AOR help trash my score ) Venturion is going to do 15 chase apps and there is another thread with 15 apps. I think it's BRIANs AOR.

Tired now, if you can't find them I'll post a link.


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Did you pull the trigger on these apps?
Also how old are your CC's I'm curious to see as you have some really impressive Credit Lines.


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Sorry, let this thread almost die. I just moved, started a new job, and I'm traveling a LOT. But its starting to settle down a little bit now.

I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'm out of town all next week, and then I pay off $60K from last year's AOR. Then as soon as the balances show 0 on my CR, I'm going to pull the trigger.


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Most cards are 2004-2006. I have one from 1999 and another from 2001.


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I paid off my $60K Chase balance. As soon as my CRs are updated I'm pulling the trigger. I've reordered things a bit, added a couple cards. Some of the links are broken now but I checked each card tonight and they all still have the same terms. Except Principal, I can't find at all...

Any other advice before I fire this off?


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Shorten the list? Group cards from the same issuer? Reduce the number of cards applied (e.g., in view of recent CITI A/A). Verify that promo terms are still available on the cards as there have been a number of changes (for the worse) reported recently.


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ShaneM said:
1) Should I freeze Experian or not? I have 18 inquiries, all from 12-23 months ago. However, when I apply in April only 9 of them will be left.

One thing about freezing - it puts you on the opt-out list. I got a letter from Experian telling me they had done this after I froze, and a paper copy of my TU indicated something similar. It's easy enough to get back on, but just bear in mind that if you don't it will make your mailed CC offers disappear.


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ShaneM said:I paid off my $60K Chase balance. As soon as my CRs are updated I'm pulling the trigger. I've reordered things a bit, added a couple cards. Some of the links are broken now but I checked each card tonight and they all still have the same terms. Except Principal, I can't find at all...

Any other advice before I fire this off?

Yes. Dispute the Chase balance with the CRA's; they will ask Chase and Chase will update it to the zero balance. If you're anxious to get started, this may speed things up by a week or two.

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