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Many situations exist in which proper tipping etiquette is uncertain. While tipping 15-20% is an accepted standard at restaurants, tipping in other circumstances is the subject of much debate. A few such situations include tipping bathroom attendants, bartenders, doormen, bellhops, complimentary shuttle bus drivers, delivery drivers (working for restaurants with large delivery fees), and the list goes on. I'm curious to hear if and how much others tip in these situations. From my eexperience, there is not much agreement.

To get the discussion started, here's what I believe is fair...

Bathroom attendants- I hate paying them cause I can dry my own f'ing hands and they only crowd the bathroom, but I'll usually give $1 at some point in the night out of guilt. If I take gum, mints, or anything else, I always tip $1-$2. Vending machines could replace them.

Bartenders- Regardless of drink price, I tip the following and if it is a complicated order with complicated drinks, I'll tip more but I'm usually ordering beer or alcohol +1 mixer. 1 drink=$1. 2-4 drinks=$2. 5-8=$3. If drinks are free, $5+ per order.

Doormen- I include taxi guys at hotels in this category. Usually nothing, they provide little service. They're one step up from bathroom attendants. If they get a cab for me, when cabs are scarce, when it is raining/snowing, $1-2. If they unload my bags, sometimes I'm guilted into tipping a few bucks, but I hate doing it. They should ask if I'd like help with my bags.

Bellhops- I avoid them at all costs. Not only can I roll my own bag, but I can almost always do it faster. I hate waiting for a bellhop to get to my room so I can change and head to the pool. They provide little benefit, unless you have trouble carrying your own luggage or need help finding your room. Make them available upon request.

Shuttle bus drivers- When they load/unload my bags I feel obligated to tip them and do...$2 a bag. But again, I can handle my own luggage. If I have no bags, sometimes I still tip a dollar or two because it's understood they work off tips.

Delivery drivers who work for restaurants with large delivery fees($4+)- I'll add $2 and the change on top of the fee. That adds up to ~$7 to deliver a $20 pizza, which I feel is fair. I know some people tip nothing, figuring the large delivery fee is a mandatory tip, while others say the fee shouldn't even be taken into account.

In many situations, I'm torn between guilt and the desire not to tip in situations where I'd rather not have the service forced upon me. By tipping, I'm perpetuating the problem. By not tipping, I feel selfish. What are your thoughts?

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This article was in last week's WSJ. It fits well into this tread.

Here's an excerpt- Mark Twain's complaint about tipping: "We pay that tax knowing it to be unjust and an extortion; yet we go away with a pain at the heart if we think we have been stingy with the poor fellows."
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quaters said:Last thing we need is another tipping thread...

I tried to make this one fresh. I agree that some tipping topics have been exhausted, but I do not believe the situations I brought up have been discussed.

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Bathroom attendants- Unless they want to hold and aim while I finish off my Jack and Coke, they get nothing. On second thought, I don't want them holding or aiming. I don't go into the bathroom to get candy, that's the last place I want to be buying food products. Zilch to the bathroom attendant for a poorly thought-out business plan.

Bartenders- $1 to open a beer? I don't think so. I consolidate my orders to make sure I'm covered for a couple of hours, and they get a dollar for the whole batch. And that's only if the tipjar and myself are still in their view before I walk off.

Doormen- I don't stay at hotels that have doormen. N/A.

Bellhops- See entry under "Doormen". If I do happen upon a bellhop, I make sure he quickly understands that I don't want help with my bags. They're basically a higher class equivalent of the car window washing guys in NYC.

Shuttle bus drivers- If they load and unload a busload of bags for my family, they get a dollar. Too bad there's no such thing as twenty five cent bills.

Delivery drivers who work for restaurants with large delivery fees($4+)- Last time I had a pizza delivered was about ten years ago. The pizza was cold and the guy double billed my 1% back Visa card. It took two weeks to get it cleared up. That was a wasted fifty cent tip. I pick up my own pizzas now, it's quicker and cheaper.

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I tip so much I fall over.

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I practically never fly anymore, but when I did fly and they still had curbside service, I'd tip the redcap $1 - $2 when I checked my bag. I noticed that very few people still tip them.

Airport shuttlebus drivers & bellhops get $1 - $2 depending on how helpful they are.

The only time I've tipped the taxi-caller is when it's raining and I need a cab -- I wander over to the nearest hotel and ask for help. I guess I'd tip if I ever took a cab when I'm at an out-of-town hotel.

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I tip the hotel maid out of fear that my tooth brush will be used to clean the toilet if I don't leave her a couple of bucks.

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I know it will sound inhumane, but why tip? I get nothing from my job other than my monthly salary. Bathroom attendant is ridiculous, how on earth they think they deserve greenback for handing me a piece of paper towel? If you make 7 figure salary a year, go ahead and shed some of your $. For most middle class folks, I feel tipping is stupidity. Then again, I do tip at restaurants, for good service and I avoid places who adds a 15% gratuity to final bill.

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sensia said:I know it will sound inhumane, but why tip? I get nothing from my job other than my monthly salary. Bathroom attendant is ridiculous, how on earth they think they deserve greenback for handing me a piece of paper towel? If you make 7 figure salary a year, go ahead and shed some of your $. For most middle class folks, I feel tipping is stupidity. Then again, I do tip at restaurants, for good service and I avoid places who adds a 15% gratuity to final bill.

How many times do we have to post this. *sigh*

NICE GUY EDDIE
Okay, everybody cough up green for
the little lady.

Everybody whips out a buck, and throws it on the table.
Everybody, that is, except Mr. White.

NICE GUY EDDIE
C'mon, throw in a buck.

MR. WHITE
Uh-uh. I don't tip.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Whaddaya mean you don't tip?

MR. WHITE
I don't believe in it.

NICE GUY EDDIE
You don't believe in tipping?

MR. PINK
(laughing)
I love this kid, he's a madman,
this guy.

MR. BLONDE
Do you have any idea what these
ladies make? They make sh!t.

MR. WHITE
Don't give me that. She don't
make enough money, she can quit.

Everybody laughs.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I don't even know a Jew who'd have
the balls to say that. So let's
get this straight. You never ever
tip?

MR. WHITE
I don't tip because society says I
gotta. I tip when somebody
deserves a tip. When somebody
really puts forth an effort, they
deserve a little something extra.
But this tipping automatically,
that sh!t's for the birds. As far
as I'm concerned, they're just
doin their job.

MR. BLUE
Our girl was nice.

MR. WHITE
Our girl was okay. She didn't do
anything special.

MR. BLONDE
What's something special, take ya
in the kitchen and suck your d!ck?

They all laugh.

NICE GUY EDDIE
I'd go over twelve percent for
that.

MR. WRITE
Look, I ordered coffee. Now we've
been here a long fackin time, and
she's only filled my cup three
times. When I order coffee, I
want it filled six times.

MR. BLONDE
What if she's too busy?

MR. WHITE
The words "too busy" shouldn't be
in a waitress's vocabulary.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Excuse me, Mr. White, but the last
thing you need is another cup of
coffee.

They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
These ladies aren't starvin to
death. They make minimum wage.
When I worked for minimum wage, I
wasn't lucky enough to have a job
that society deemed tipworthy.

NICE GUY EDDIE
Ahh, now we're getting down to it.
It's not just that he's a cheap
bastard--

MR. ORANGE
--It is that too--

NICE GUY EDDIE
--It is that too. But it's also
he couldn't get a waiter job. You
talk like a pissed off dishwasher:
"Fack those cants and their
facking tips."

MR. BLONDE
So you don't care that they're
counting on your tip to live?

Mr. White rubs two of his fingers together.

MR. WHITE
Do you know what this is? It's
the world's smallest violin,
playing just for the waitresses.

MR. BLONDE
You don't have any idea what
you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This
is a hard job.

MR. WHITE
So's working at McDonald's, but
you don't feel the need to tip
them. They're servin ya food, you
should tip em. But no, society
says tip these guys over here, but
not those guys over there. That's
bullshit.

MR. ORANGE
They work harder than the kids at
McDonald's.

MR. WHITE
Oh yeah, I don't see them cleaning
fryers.

MR. BROWN
These people are taxed on the tips
they make. When you stiff 'em,
you cost them money.

MR. BLONDE
Waitressing is the number one
occupation for female non-college
graduates in this country. It's
the one jab basically any woman
can get, and make a living on.
The reason is because of tips.

MR. WHITE
Fack all that.

They all laugh.

MR. WHITE
Hey, I'm very sorry that the
government taxes their tips.
That's facked up. But that ain't
my fault. it would appear that
waitresses are just one of the
many groups the government facks
in the ass on a regular basis.
You show me a paper says the
government shouldn't do that, I'll
sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll
vote for it. But what I won't do
is play ball. And this non-
college bullsh!t you're telling
me, I got two words for that:
"Learn to fackin type." Cause if
you're expecting me to help out
with the rent, you're in for a big
fackin surprise.

MR. ORANGE
He's convinced me. Give me my
dollar back.

Everybody laughs. Joe's comes back to the table.

JOE
Okay ramblers, let's get to
rambling. Wait a minute, who
didn't throw in?

MR. ORANGE
Mr. White.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
Mr. White?
(to Mr. White)
Why?

MR. ORANGE
He don't tip.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
He don't tip?
(to Mr. White)
You don't tip? Why?

MR. ORANGE
He don't believe in it.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
He don't believe in it?
(to Mr. White)
You don't believe in it?

MR. ORANGE
Nope.

JOE
(to Mr. Orange)
Shut up!
(to Mr. White)
Cough up the buck, ya cheap
bastard, I paid for your goddamn
breakfast.

MR. WHITE
Because you paid for the
breakfast, I'm gonna tip.
Normally I wouldn't.

JOE
Whatever. Just throw in your
dollar, and let's move.
(to Mr. Blonde)
See what I'm dealing with here.
Infants. I'm fackin dealin with
infants.

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Bathroom attendent... Is this the dancing "school" on 5th?

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quaters said:Last thing we need is another tipping thread...

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Since you thought my comment was off base:

Tipping Delivery People on the Holidays - Whom? How? And How Much?
Bars and restaurants fraudulently altering credit card receipts (Turned into a Tipping thread)
Do you tip based on service or 20% every time no matter what?
Should I tip the TV delivery guys?
Do you tip when it is a takeout order?
LAS VEGAS FRONT DESK TIPPING!


I'm tired of cutting and pasting now...

Thanks for compiling the other tipping threads. I would have done the same if I wasn't lazy. But your list only supports what I said...there is not much overlap at all.

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I avoid all non-food or beverage related tipping situations like the plague. No bellhops, curbside, vallet, etc. But I do tip well in restaurants and way too much in bars (usually 30% in bars, 20% for food) Unless I'm at home, where draws are $1, so I just tip 100% because I don't want to deal with change. Does it help? Only at home where the people actually know me. I used to be a bartender, so I guess that's why I do it.

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Some of you sound like you live in caves...

I tip 15% in restaurants
10% for cab drivers, or round up to the nearest $10.
Doormen -- the guys outside the lobby of a hotel? No need to tip them normally, but if they do something extra, like run out to the street to hail you a cab, then a buck or two.
Bellman -- the guys who bring your suitcases up to you -- dollar per bag. (If you don't want to tip them, carry your own bags!)
Barber -- $1 for cheap haircuts, $10 otherwise
Bathroom attendant -- I agree, eew, I don't like the whole idea -- sometimes I dart out, sometimes leave a few coins or a dollar.
Newspaper delivery boy or man -- $20 at Christmas if you get the paper delivered (hey, I was a paperboy once).
Pizza/Chinese food delivery - $1 plus change if order is under $10, otherwise 10%.
Random tip jars at starbucks and other places -- usually nothing, unless I've found one of the employees to be especially helpful and/or friendly.
Cold Stone Creamery -- this tip jar is fun. Put a dollar in, the entire staff start singing. Always do it.
Building Super -- this varies, depending on what the "going rate" in your building is and if he's helped you during the year.

A tip is always a voluntary act of generousity. Any place with employees who act like they "deserve" a tip is usually not worth visiting. But refusing to leave a tip for otherwise good service is boorish and uncouth.

Last word ... when you travel, always learn the local customs. Some places are refreshingly free of request for tips (Northern Europe, much as Asia) while in others it happens all the time. In 3rd world countries, bring local currency or some $1 bills.

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LOL. Guys, bathroom attendants are primarily there to keep people from fornicating, fighting, and blowing rails in the restroom - NOT to make money selling candy and gum.

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Beernuts82 said:LOL. Guys, bathroom attendants are primarily there to keep people from fornicating, fighting, and blowing rails in the restroom - NOT to make money selling candy and gum.

So you're saying that if I can pee without getting jumped, bumped, or accidentally high, I should tip the bathroom attendant well?

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Beernuts82 said:LOL. Guys, bathroom attendants are primarily there to keep people from fornicating, fighting, and blowing rails in the restroom - NOT to make money selling candy and gum.

That, And to run off the toe tappers....

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I think tipping makes the world go round.

I tip my garbage man occasionally. He will always take my trash whether it is 1 bag or a 100 bags, no questions asked.

I tip curb side check in attendants $5.00 per bag, they get to know you and when it is really busy at the airport and the line is a mile long, guess what? Front of the line!

Bartenders $1-2 a drink depending how big the order is.

Waiter/waitress 20%

bathroom guy $5 for the night, He does have to listen to your B.S. and sometimes he has to smell the occasional deuce.

I don't mind tipping, alot of these people are making beans.

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At restaurants I try to tip around 20% if service is good, 15% for ok. I rarely go below 15%, although if service is terrible I won't hesitate to not leavy anything. I once had to wait 45 minutes for a bill, that resulted in me leaving a couple of pennies.

With bartenders it varies wildly. My friends & have one bar that we frequent fairly regularly, & it pays to tip extremely well there. Last Saturday a bill that should've been around 30 bucks ended up coming out to $10. That resulted in a 100% tip. Other places I usually tip around a dollar per drink, although that varies. I generally don't go to the sorts of places that have bathroom attendants, so that's a non-issue. With cab drivers the tip will also vary wildly. With good cab drivers I'll give around 15%, but a lot of cabbies in Baltimore try to rip you off and take a less efficient root. Guys like that won't get a cent from me, although I try to make it pretty clear early on in the ride that I've lived here for eight years, and I'm not some out of towner who won't recognize that he's being cheated.

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ppatin said:At restaurants I try to tip around 20% if service is good, 15% for ok. I rarely go below 15%, although if service is terrible I won't hesitate to not leavy anything. I once had to wait 45 minutes for a bill, that resulted in me leaving a couple of pennies. I wouldn't wait 45 minutes ... don't have the patience. Just get up, walk towards the cashier or door. That will get their attention guaranteed, and you can settle up your bill and get on with your day.

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