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When the market turned up in the late 1990’s the balance of power in the market shifted. During the last decline, the buyers had an advantage. During the bubble the advantage went to the sellers. The seller’s market went on for so long and became so feverish that people have forgotten (or may never have known) what it was like to see buyers in control of the action. The purpose of this post is to re-educate buyers on how to behave in a buyer’s market.

Buyers have the Power

As a buyer, you must remember you are the one in control. You are the scarce commodity in the marketplace. The seller is one of many for you to chose from, and they are all desperate. They need you. You don’t need them. No matter who you buy from, you are going to leave all the other sellers disappointed because they are going to continue to be trapped in their homedebtor’s prison. You can’t please everyone, so focus on pleasing yourself.

Screw the Sellers

Don’t become concerned with the sellers needs, wants and problems. Does it matter to you if this house is their entire savings for retirement? Do you care if a sale below a certain price puts the seller into bankruptcy? If these issues matter to you, ask yourself this, “Would you give them money if you were not buying their home?” Unless you are running a charity, you should not care about the consequences of someone else’s financial decisions. They created their own problems, it is not your responsibility to solve it by overpaying for a house.

Pay the Lowest Possible Price

This may sound like common sense, but the behavior of knife catchers over the last couple of years shows otherwise. Don’t ask for or take any incentives, and pay your own closing costs. You are paying for this stuff, it is just buried in your loan. You will be paying interest on this purchase for the next 30 years, and you will be paying a 1% property tax on these costs for as long as you own the house. You are far, far better off lowering the price and foregoing the incentives and paying your own closing costs.

Use a Buyer’s Brokerage Like Redfin

Redfin and other buyers brokerage typically kick back 2% to you at closing. Work out a deal with them in advance where they will agree to take a 1% commission at the closing so you can lower the price by 2%. Again, you are paying taxes on the purchase price, so you want to make this as low as possible.

Your First Offer is Your Best Offer

This is the most counter-intuitive part of buying in a buyers market. Ordinarily sellers, or more accurately the seller’s realtor, try to create a sense of urgency to buy the house. They want you to think other people are looking, there is going to be a bidding war, you need to get your offer in today, etc. Remember, in a buyer’s market these ploys are all lies. You are the only buyer, and you can take as long as you want to buy the house. Your task in negotiating is to create a sense of urgency and panic in the seller. This is why you make your first offer your best offer.

Start with a bid at least 10% below asking price; however, it can be less if the most you are willing to pay is less. Lower your bid as follows:

***If you are actively bidding on the property, make your offers expire in 5 days. If you are still interested in the property resubmit a fractionally-lower offer after 7 days (make them sweat for 2 days.) Don’t make is so much lower as to lose consideration, but make it enough lower that the seller gets the message that they need to come to your price before it gets any lower.

***If the seller makes a counter offer, retract your offer and resubmit a lower one. Works the same as the time decay offer above. After you have lowered your offer a few times, the seller may panic and take your offer before it goes any lower. This is what you are after.

***Lower your offer $500 each time you speak with the seller’s realtor. Every time they communicate with you, they will pressure you to buy. Lower your bid each time they speak with you to send a message that their pressure is not working, and it is, in fact, hurting their client.

***Lower your offer $2,000 if the realtor uses one of the standard lies I mentioned above.
If the realtor tells you there is another bidder on the property, immediately withdraw your offer and tell them to call you if it falls out of escrow with the other buyer. Since this statement from the realtor is almost certainly a lie, it will cause them to have to explain to their client why the only buyer around has pulled their offer.

***If the realtor tells you there is another bidder on the property, immediately withdraw your offer and tell them to call you if it falls out of escrow with the other buyer. Since this statement from the realtor is almost certainly a lie, it will cause them to have to explain to their client why the only buyer around has pulled their offer.

Don’t Close the Gap

When the seller starts to counter-offer, it is very tempting to agree to their price to close the deal, particularly if they are below your original offer. Don’t do it. In a buyer’s market, the seller will come to you. You have the power. However, if they are below your original offer, and if you really, really want the house, you may raise your offer one time, but do not get closer than 1% to their counter-offer. The selling broker makes a 3% commission, and the realtor you have been dealing with probably makes 1.5%. By getting to within 1% of the seller’s counter-offer, the realtor can choose to give up part of their commission to make the deal. Since they are desperate as well, you should go ahead and squeeze them. A 1/2% commission is better than no commission.

After you have agreed on price

Just because you have reached agreement on the sales price does not mean you are finished making this deal the best it can be. Go through your inspection sheet and establish holdbacks for all repairs. Make the holdback amount 150% of the lowest qualified bid. Say you are doing this as an incentive for the owner to get this work done before move-in. Also, if there are decorative items you do not care for, use the same holdback procedure for these items. The time to get your granite tops is before you move in.

If you are really tough

For those of you with nerves of steel (and a desire to abuse your power,) I have a few additional suggestions for you:

***A week before closing, tell the seller or realtor you are considering pulling out of the deal because you have found another property you like. See if they offer you an additional discount.

***Three days before the closing, withdraw your offer and say you want an additional $1,000 off. Offer no explanation: You are only doing it because you can.

***Ask the seller to write you an emotional letter thanking you for purchasing their home. Send back the first one they give you saying they did not praise you enough.

Conclusion

Not everyone has what it takes to implement all of these price-busting techniques. However, the more of these you put into practice, the lower the price you will pay for the home you want. You will never see the seller or the seller’s realtor ever again. It does not matter if you offend them. In the end, they will be relieved you bought the house even if you made their lives hell in the process.

 

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You got to be extra nice about it to prevent people get angry for no apparent reasons. The best bet is to buy 10% more than the "bargain" price. Then pull it off and state the 10% bargain price as evidence. If they do not complice within the feasible range then the deal is not worth it.
Remember, the bargain price is not the same as the average price.

Message edited by: sweetbutter on 2008-05-15 17:04:42 CDT
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SnoopDoug said:***Ask the seller to write you an emotional letter thanking you for purchasing their home. Send back the first one they give you saying they did not praise you enough.For a minute there, I thought you were serious.

I have heard people offering, uh, certain favors to get into apartment in NYC though.

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It might work, but it will probably piss off the seller to the point where they will not sell the house to you.

I know that if someone tried the "pull offer and resubmit an offer of 1K less" I would tell them to screw off.

The bargaining depends on your desire to walk away and what the house is priced at compared to comparable houses.

I know I would "upper deck" the buyer in all the bathrooms if they were being a childish PITA.

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If you have good software, you can churn these offers out all day, and hope someone bites.

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3 days before closing? Say goodbye to your earnest money.

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Good luck!

It would work if you are the only buyer on the planet.

If you used the scheme and somehow managed to score a property, you should search the place for any booby trap the seller left.

Message edited by: fboyfboy on 2008-03-10 17:15:08 CDT
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My house is currently for sale, but if we don't sell it, so be it. I know I need to accept less than I want, but I'd rather keep the house than give a deal to any jerk that tried those tactics.

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For the record, I would not have the nerves of steel required to use all of these "techniques". This came from an Irvine real estate blog, obviously there are some bitter buyers ready to take revenge on some of the aggressive selling practices that took place during the boom.

I think the last section at least is tongue in cheek.

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rsc272 said:My house is currently for sale, but if we don't sell it, so be it. I know I need to accept less than I want, but I'd rather keep the house than give a deal to any jerk that tried those tactics.
You don't know the right RE agent. PM this guy. He'll hook you up with an agent that managed to sell a house for asking price at the height of the real estate bubble in the one of the hottest markets around.

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I'm looking for a place in Irvine, and guess what? Any place worth buying just sold in the last 2 weeks! It's BS that no one else is buying!!!

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I wouldn't call this advice "art"... it is however a great way to be an ass and scare away what could be a good deal.

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daregan said:I'm looking for a place in Irvine, and guess what? Any place worth buying just sold in the last 2 weeks! It's BS that no one else is buying!!!

It is going to get a whole lot uglier in Irvine. Wait for the next round of falling prices.

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kamalktk said:rsc272 said:My house is currently for sale, but if we don't sell it, so be it. I know I need to accept less than I want, but I'd rather keep the house than give a deal to any jerk that tried those tactics.
You don't know the right RE agent. PM this guy. He'll hook you up with an agent that managed to sell a house for asking price at the height of the real estate bubble in the one of the hottest markets around.

Man I own you. I am always in your head. Head on over to your other post about me where you got your butt handed to you.


How did you do on selling your place in a hot market? Oh wait. You were too dumb to buy and figure out things were going to shoot up and never bought. Wow!! You are a poor investor when it comes to Mutual Funds and a poor investor when it comes to RE. Are you good at anything? Notice I also sold at the exact highest point.

Message edited by: mikef07 on 2008-03-11 19:36:06 CDT
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Not sure how helpful this might be, but it saved me more than 600$. We bought a house last month and this is what I did. I knew the date we wanted to close the deal (say Feb 1st). When agreeing/negotiating on the price, I told them we are going to close it on Feb 20th. Later, when writing the contract, I told them that I can close the deal on Feb 1st if they put on the blinds in the house. This way, I said they would be saving interest for 20 days which could be more than the cost for blinds. Yes, you might have to make up some stories to make it sound beleivable. However, the agents would most probably know, but 99% they would agree bcoz they r going to save too. Godd Luck!

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I have information to add I'm just too lazy this week.

Specifically information about dealing with lenders to do short sales on REO property. Specifically dealing with their special property disposal committees all the lenders have now set up that determine which properties they let go and for how much.

Anyone else have any experience with this?

And I don't agree with "screw the sellers". The sellers can be an invaluable ally in dealing with the lender committees.

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I believe it is true that the OP's tactics are a bit extreme... However, the market has been crazy in terms of pricing... $650K for a 2000 sq (or less) foot home (in So. CA), people can hardly afford to live... but with the impending recession/depression, these type of tactics might give people a better image of the actual property worth...

Message edited by: ardentazn on 2008-03-11 22:37:15 CDT
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Extreme or not, but this is more or less a mirror image of what sellers and their agents were doing in some areas for a few years preceding the burst of the bubble.

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If they counter, withdraw and offer a lower price then you originally offered? What seller wouldn't tell you to go to hell? Even if I were desperate, I would not tolerate that...

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I think there is merit to the "first offer is best offer". Don't re-counter with a lower offer. Just withdraw and move on. Your realtor will be in touch with the other realtor, they'll let you know if they were bluffing. It's all a big game to these realtors, they all know each other and scratch each others backs. They don't want to lose commission. Just don't let your own realtor know your game. Which means you have to be an a-hole to your own realtor. Again assuming you go the traditional route.

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