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While bumping inquiries from my previous A0R, I did find that EQ services didn't help with bumpage. For example, once I started seeing inquiries get bumped, pulling with EQ Gold would add a soft inquiry but would never bump off anything, while pulling with a TC-based service would bump. I didn't see any choppage, but I suspect EQ inquiries may be treated somehow differently...


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Finally received a letter from Barclays regarding Juniper credit line decrease.
Interesting excerpt:

We have recently reviewed your account history. As a result of our findings, we requested additional information about your credit from an independent customer credit-reporting agency. Unfortunately, due to the following reasons, we have decreased your credit line to $13,350.00 effective immediately:

Growth Rate Of Overall Debt Is Too High
Recent Increase In Use Of Revolving Credit

This implies that they wouldn't have pulled my report if my balance wasn't high, as I have no other account history to speak of.

One odd note: the letter says they pulled TU for this, and maybe they did (I can't see softs).
Makes me wonder why they also pulled EQ, hard, twice...


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It would be interesting to check what did they actually pull. Now thinking about it: usually the letter specifies from whom they pulled and if they pulled more than one, it would seem they should specify each.


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GOSH, reduction from $15,000 to $300 is more than "minor." Do you have others to cancel it? From what I understand after a reduction it will take many months to get a reasonable CLI.

cashmonkey said:Update:

Minor adverse action from Juniper, as seen by many others:
They reduced my $15k line to $300 above my current $13k balance.
I haven't received any letters or anything, just noticed it through Yodlee.

Thankfully they did this after the statement posted, so my credit reports don't show 98% utilization on this line.
I guess I'll pay down to 89%.. and then they'll probably repeat the process. Oh well.


In other news, I've bumped off all my TU inquiries with PM123 and CreditKarma.
Especially happy about this since Citi pulls TU for me and they've been very inquiry sensitive lately.

edit: added links


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duna said:GOSH, reduction from $15,000 to $300 is more than "minor." Do you have others to cancel it? From what I understand after a reduction it will take many months to get a reasonable CLI.Errr, no. It was reduced from $15,000 to $13,350, which was $300 above my current balance.


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Barklays/Juniper pulled TU on the app date, and then TU and EQ two weeks after. What really pissed me off is that the last two pulls were done AFTER they declined my application.


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cyberkost said:Barklays/Juniper pulled TU on the app date, and then TU and EQ two weeks after. What really pissed me off is that the last two pulls were done AFTER they declined my application.

Crap1 was trying to pull my Experian so they could ask me identity questions, so I froze TU and EQ before they could pull my reports the 2nd time. Heck I already had the card in my hand.

I think 1 week after an AOR, it's time to FREEZE all reports! The late pullers can just take a hike.

Crap1 was a little upset, I faxed a util bill and all was fine. I'd rather fax a util bill instead of taking another INQ.


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A word of warning about Experian security freezes:
I tried to place a freeze online, which first asks for personal information, then for credit card info, then for identification verification. After the third step, I received an error message ("We cannot honor your request.."), so I tried several times, using variations of my previous addresses. Each time failed.

I now have five $10 charges from Experian on my debit card statement.
(I figured hey, I'll use this to fulfill my rewards checking requirements!)

Speaking with a real person at Experian is nigh on impossible.
Their credit monitoring service people say this charge came directly from the bureau and they don't have any direct numbers.
Their corporate numbers have horrible secretaries who won't even listen to a complete sentence before transferring you off.

So now I'm disputing through my credit union, which will involve a detailed, notarized letter.. fun fun fun.

Edit: There is a way to reach a helpful human at Experian!
Call the number on your credit report. You will probably need to have a recent report (they ask for the report number), but in my case, the phone number was 800 493 1058.

I was able to place the security freeze over the phone (by paying another $10, yay, this time on a credit card).
They told me I will receive a PIN for unlocking/removing the freeze by mail in a few days.

To get the $50 refunded, they request that I send my bank statement, name, address, SSN, drivers license and utility bill copy to their refund department. In case anyone else runs into this, the refund department address is PO Box 881, Allen TX 75013


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Update:

- Bumped off all three EQ inquiries on the 14th, the same day others started reporting a new round of choppage. Whew! Under the wire!
- Requested cancellation of my subscriptions to the monthly credit report services.
- Requested security freezes by mail from Equ!fax and Transunion.
- Received security freeze materials from Experian, but still nothing from the refund department for the $50 worth of erroneous charges.
Edit: rather to my surprise, a $50 credit showed up on my bank statement on 5/30. So the Experian Refund Department really does exist!
- As of June 1st, AAFCU is down to 4.50% and OCCU is down to 4.05%.
- PM123/TC FAKOs have stabilized at TU: 753 EX: 725 EQ: 684. Strangely enough, the removal of my 3 EQ inquiries didn't affect that score.
- No new credit line reduction from Juniper. Maybe because they can't do another hard pull? Hah!


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A "funny" thing about US Bank, in my case, was that the credit line showed up a few days after I activated the card (and automatically initiated the BT out), kinda nasty because it shows a balance of $19.5 on a $20.5 CL (it was me who asked for a $19.5 BT). I surely hope that the BT will soon reach the destination card.
How much time did it take for your BT from US Bank to reach the destination card?


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I BT'ed online during application with US Bank. It took 9 business days to get to Chase.


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I applied on 2/24 with $17k BT request to BofA, was approved on 2/28, and the BT posted on my BofA account on 3/10.


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Called yesterday (Sunday) to consolidate an older BofA line onto my NEA card in preparation for an additional 0% BT. The CSR seemed competent.

When checking my accounts online after the call, I noticed my older line gone, but the NEA credit line was unchanged. I remember in the past that the credit line would update immediately.

Called BofA today. Frontline CSR said something was weird, transferred me to a specialist, who then told me that Sunday's CSR had just closed the older account and had not put in a consolidation request. She corrected it in a couple minutes, and everything shows up properly now.

Lessons learned:
1) If your account information doesn't look correct online a couple minutes after calling BofA, something probably went wrong.
2) Probably not a good idea to call BofA on a Sunday for this kind of thing.


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cashmonkey said:Called yesterday (Sunday) to consolidate an older BofA line onto my NEA card in preparation for an additional 0% BT. The CSR seemed competent.

Haven't you BT's enough already? I thought were already at 120K revolving debt, which is already way higher than your annual income.


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With payments I'm now down to about 115k, and I'm planning to get another 10k from BofA soon.

I have yet to see any evidence for debt-to-income ratios being the initial cause of adverse action. Perhaps the models aren't sophisticated enough or they don't integrate credit report updates with initial application information. But hey, if they flag me, I'll let you know.


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cashmonkey said:With payments I'm now down to about 115k, and I'm planning to get another 10k from BofA soon.

I have yet to see any evidence for debt-to-income ratios being the initial cause of adverse action. Perhaps the models aren't sophisticated enough or they don't integrate credit report updates with initial application information. But hey, if they flag me, I'll let you know.

Ok, so maybe I overdid it on the warnings of not showing too much card debt relative to your annual income. Yet, we've seen recent adverse action against people who went up over 50%, and so far you barley got dinged going over 100%. Maybe utilization is a better measure.

I personally just balance transferred $28,000 which I still could have had on 0% for 7 more months because I was concerned I would go over 50% of my annual income in card debt. I was probably being too cautious.


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Follow-up to last post. Called Bank of America and the rep was basically telling me 'a person like me with a history of paying off large balances' could easily take out DOUBLE what I have out now, and urged me to 'take advantage' of the $30 balance transfer cap, and direct deposit to my bank account. Bank of America knows exactly what we're doing here, and is encouraging it.

I was being too cautious before, and am now going to take my credit card debt up to about 40% of my limit (despite the economy) and stop being a wimp about it.


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No, the rep was just trying to hit his quota for BT deals. The department that does account reviews and adverse action is totally seperate.

However, in my opinion, you can't do an AOR without breaking a few eggs. You just have to keep the breakage manageable.


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moneyisnteverything said:Follow-up to last post. Called Bank of America and the rep was basically telling me 'a person like me with a history of paying off large balances' could easily take out DOUBLE what I have out now, and urged me to 'take advantage' of the $30 balance transfer cap, and direct deposit to my bank account. Bank of America knows exactly what we're doing here, and is encouraging it.

I was being too cautious before, and am now going to take my credit card debt up to about 40% of my limit (despite the economy) and stop being a wimp about it.

My experience with BofA in re balance transfers is similar. I echo markkundinger's comments, both pro and con.


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markkundinger said:No, the rep was just trying to hit his quota for BT deals. The department that does account reviews and adverse action is totally seperate.

However, in my opinion, you can't do an AOR without breaking a few eggs. You just have to keep the breakage manageable.

Thanks, I see the light now. Getting a credit limit reduced or an account closed wouldn't be the end of the world if I made an extra thousand dollars or so in profit.

Another Bank of America rep told me the National Education Association card has a special agreement with the NEA. BofA is not allowed to charge punitive rates, must cap all balance transfer fees at $30, and has a maximum rate of (prime?) plus 2% (now 7.99%). Forever.

Get this card!


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