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Coming up on 11 and 9 months respectively on my WOR and my AOR. Have held 95% utilization on $40K+ BT thru BOA without any AA what so ever. Actually we have both gotten auto CLI's from BOA on both of our NEA cards(BT's are on Platinum Plus cards). I have been waiting for the AA from them to kick in....now yesterday I get 0% BT offers with $30 fee on NEA cards until March 2009...NO ides what are they thinking. I will end up paying off balances on Platinum Plus cards, reallocate to NEA, and deposit checks into a HYS. One less issuer to have to include in AOR 3.0


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Update:

My TC FAKOs have stabilized (bottomed out) at:
TU: 660 EX: 660 EQ: 684

Oddly enough, the major drop in TU and EX happened after I consolidated my 4-year old BofA card into my new NEA card.
During the two months prior to that, with all A0R balances reporting, my FAKOs were:
TU: 753 EX: 725 EQ: 684

The only other changes were small decreases in balances consistent with minimum payments, with no big thresholds crossed.
At the same time, my EQ report updated with the same, correct information, and that score didn't change!

May Wa Mu FICO from EX was 636.
June Wa Mu FICO from TU is 667.

Conclusion: FAKO algorithm is flawed, my scores were caught in a bubble, and I popped it by closing an account.


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cashmonkey said:Oddly enough, the major drop in TU and EX happened after I consolidated my 4-year old BofA card into my new NEA card.
Only slightly odd. The old closed card still counts as "4 year old credit", but scott1961 had a post that seemed to imply a "weighted average age" of credit might play a small factor as well.

Generally would have been preferable to keep the old card, and just reallocate the bulk of credit. I hope it wasn't your oldest card with BofA.


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I have noticed some credit reporting oddities with BOA recently... (for the last 2-3 months). Previously, they would report each of my credit card accounts to all three CRAs each month like clockwork (shortly after closing statement.) Hoever more recently they have been missing or delaying some reporting, it seems.

I was originally thinking it had something to do with a reallocation or due date change request, but the reporting oddities have persisted and spanning across multiple (I have three) BoA accounts I think it may be more of a general reporting method change. One thought I had was maybe they are cutting back on reporting to reduce costs (thinking they are paying some costs each time they send an update to a CRA.)

Other changes I noticed with my BoA cards that may be associated with the credit reporting consistency change is, I used to have to access my two "newer" NEA cards on my WA-state (dumbed-down) online banking login. My "enhanced" (AZ state) login would access my old, formerly-MBNA card (with lots of nice features such as transaction details, online CLI, the nice billpay choice system, etc). Well I just noticed earlier this week that now all three of my BoA cards are now accessible through the AZ state BoA login! (With the nice features) Interestingly, I can still see the two newer NEA accounts in my WA state BoA login. Those accounts can be viewed now from both WA-state and AZ-state login.

It is worth noting that recently I transferred some worldpoints from one card to another and performed a worldpoints redemption. Another possibile explanation for the change is BoA's recent changes to billpay's "terms of conditions".

PS - my rationale as to why I ever got an AZ-state BoA login in the first place (as I have never lived there, etc) is that AZ must be where MBNA was based out of, so when I opened my MBNA card it was issued to me under an AZ state jurisdiction, and that association has remained even post-BoA merger.


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markkundinger said:Only slightly odd. The old closed card still counts as "4 year old credit", but scott1961 had a post that seemed to imply a "weighted average age" of credit might play a small factor as well.

Generally would have been preferable to keep the old card, and just reallocate the bulk of credit. I hope it wasn't your oldest card with BofA.
Wouldn't the card's age/history still contribute to the score, even if it's closed?

And no, it's not my oldest card with BofA... I've got several significantly older cards across several issuers, which is why such a dramatic score drop still doesn't seem right.


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jakeru said:more recently they have been missing or delaying some reporting, it seems


I have noticed this with BofA too.

I think your theory (cost cutting) is most likely correct. I can't think of any other logical reason for it.


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I also noticed some BofA reporting quirkiness with the last reporting cycle.


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Update:

Deposited a $9k BT check ($30 fee) from my NEA account to get back up to 50% overall utilization.

1 TU hard inquiry (out of 3) reappeared on 7/4 after TU chopped the TU-branded credit report services' inquiries.
Checking my soft pulls, most of my TC and PM123 pulls are gone but all my Credit Karma and Chase ID Protect pulls are still there.

And that's a good thing: after a couple more TC and CK pulls, the restored inquiry just fell off again on 7/5!


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Update: Adverse action from Chase.
My S0ny line was just cut from $24,500 to $20,800, about $500 above my current balance.
Noticed this through Yodlee, no notification received from Chase yet.
Paying it down to 89%.


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Don't pay it down yet. Chase will just cut again in 3 months.

You know, I've traditionally felt that this AA with Chase is inevitable. It probably is. HOWEVER, my most recent conversation with a credit ninja there makes me think that MAYBE you can talk your way out of further AA, perhaps by documenting assets. You might not get the CL restored, but there's a chance it might inoculate against further AA for a while. Or Chase might just tell you to pound sand.

Two ways to talk to a ninja:

1) Call the number when you get your adverse action letter (you will). Say "hey yo, give me my CL back".2

2) Call regular CSRs and ask to reallocate a small amount of credit between your two cards. The regular CSR won't be able to do it because you're on the "ninja blacklist" now. And you'll be transferred to a ninja.

Either way, you'll probably get a brief interview about your life, increasing debt, plans to pay cards, etc. I recommend being fairly upfront about it "I got several cards with 0% interest. I maxed out the cards. The money's sitting in the bank. I'm going to pay you off when the 0% ends, would you like to see bank statements?". And see what happens. I'm going to try it with my next Chase AA, but that's not scheduled for six months or so.


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Fascinating thread! I was doing research into the NEA cards and just registered for NEA membership. Are there any membership dues? I could not see any information about that. Their website does not say "it's free" anywhere, but it also doesn't say how much it'll cost you.

Also, would it be wise to apply in quick burst for all of their three cards (all of which have very favorable terms)? Thanks!


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Thanks for the post, markkundinger. I don't want a 98% utilized card showing up on my CRs, but the CL reduction happened right after a statement cycle, so hopefully the new info won't post for a while. I'll try calling Chase when I get the letter and I'll post results here.

Regarding the NEA card, while it does nominally require NEA membership, FIA (the administering bank, a.k.a. BofA) has not checked this in the past. I doubt there's any benefit to be gained from applying for multiple NEA cards, as they're all administered by FIA and the credit lines probably come from the same bucket. I had to reallocate from other BofA cards to open an NEA card, so in my case, applying for 2 NEA cards certainly wouldn't have helped.


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Chase Cardmember Service said:Dear Cashmonkey,

As your credit card company, we value your business. It is important to us that we provide you with information regarding your credit card account.

After careful consideration, we have decreased the credit line on your above-noted account to $20800.00 for the following primary reason(s):

  • The number of bankcards opened has grown too fast
  • Too many open bankcards with high balances
  • Too few accounts with time on file greater than 36 months


This decision was based in whole or in part on information provided by ... Experian(TRW)I'll try calling them tomorrow.


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Called Chase, gave my employment and HHI info to the guy who answered the phone and then was transferred to a ninja.
Without asking any more questions, she put me on hold and reviewed my account.
She then came back on the line and said that unfortunately they can't help for the reasons mentioned above.

I volunteered that yeah, all that money is 0% transfers sitting in a bank account and I can pay it off any time, but she didn't really care:
"That is part of your credit history and it is a big risk for the bank."
"So you don't care if I can pay it off?"
"We do care, and if anything changes, please call back and we can review your account again."

I thanked her for her time, and she hung up on me without another word.


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Well, that's pretty much how my conversation went with a ninja went a couple of years ago. But he took the extra time to rattle off names of new accounts just to rub it in a bit. Just a shot, I guess.

cashmonkey said:

  • Too few accounts with time on file greater than 36 months



This was curiously specific. Chase might have just thrown in that reason for fun.


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