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Update - new I bond rates are 0% fixed, this deal is over as of 4/30/08!

This is an update to my old thread, Strategy: Gov't I bonds as a good 11-14 month investment.

Hot New Rates!
The new numbers are out, and the semiannual component for the Sept-Mar period (calculated as the increase from CPI-U Sept'07 to Mar'08) is 2.42% semiannual or 4.84% annual. With the current fixed rate of 1.2%, this means that a bond bought between now and the end of April'08 will pay 4.28% for the first 6 months (based on the old numbers), and then 6.07%(!) for the next 6 months (based on the new numbers).

A 14 months Strategy
Since the rates are so good, the best short term strategy is to think of this as a 14 month investment. Buy at the end of this month (get a free month's interest), hold for the next 11 months and earning 12 months interest at the above rates, and then wait 3 extra months before cashing out, for a total of 14 months. The extra 3 months waiting at the end guarentees that the 3 month penalty for cashing out doesn't come out of those nice 6% months, but rather from whatever the new inflation rates are for the next period (we don't care about the new numbers, since we are forfeiting that interest anyway).

Annual Returns of 4.4%+ are Easy!
What we have here is a 14 month investment, paying one year's interest at an average rate of approximately 5.17% Even ignoring the state tax issue, this corresponds to an annual return of 4.42%, which is abou 0.5% better than the best savings accounts right now and better than the best 1-1.5 year CDs both of which currently paying around 4%.

Compute Your Own Returns
Since I bonds are state tax and local tax free, they are even better for those subject to these income taxes. Look up your marginal state and federal income tax rates, and use the (approximate) formula below to compute an annual pretax equivalent return:

Annual Pretax Equivalent Rate =~ 5.17%*(6/7)*(1 - Federal Tax)/(1 - Federal Tax - State Tax)

The 6/7 (or 12/14) factor approximately corrects for the annual return from a 14 month strategy that only earns 12 months of interest. For example, if you are in the 30% Fed and 10% state tax brackets, this strategy pays the equivalent of 14 month CD paying 5.16%. Depending on your state tax situation, the annual pretax returns from this range from about 4.4% (no state tax) to 5.4% for those with high local, state and federal rates. There's a small correction to this formula if you itemize your state taxes (see the old thread) which makes the result a little lower than the above formula would suggest.

Options are good
There are lots of "free options" in holding I bonds once you get past the illiquid first 12 months. You can cash them whenever you want thereafter, subject to the last 3 month's interest as a penalty if you cash them before 5 years. Of course it sucks to lose 3 months interest, but remember that the only reason you'd likely cash them is that the next 6 month's interest (which you will know in advance) is poor. So at least you only lose 3 months of poor interest. In addition, at the time you have to make this decision, you'll have about 3 months of additional information towards the next 6 months' inflation rate so if that's looking particularly promising you might choose to hold through a low 6 month period, all other things being equal. If things keep looking good, maybe you make it to 5 years and get a "free" 3 months extra interest at that point, which is a nice bonus.

Tax breaks are good too
In addition to being state and local tax exempt, I bonds are Federal tax deferred. This lets you benefit from tax free compounding while you hold them. This means you might time their cashing in a low income year to minimize taxes due. They also could be partially or totally tax free if cashed in a year you pay significant educational expenses.

Macroeconomic forecast looks good
At least in the short term, I expect significant continued inflation. The Fed's low rate policy has weakened the dollar relative to other currencies, driving up the price in dollars of real physical goods (like oil and food) bought in the worldwide market. This contributes to inflationary pressures and until the Fed starts raising rates (not likely in an election year with a shaky stock market), I would expect this trend to continue. Of course this doesn't impact the 14 month strategy, but makes it more likely that the next 6 months also have fairly high inflation, and so the bonds would continue to be worth holding into the next year or so.

Buy Now!
If you buy before the end of this month, you'll have a guarenteed excellent return as described above. If you wait until May, you risk that the rate component of the I bond, currently at 1.2%, could drop to something lower. While there is no formula for how this rate is set, it has generally moved together with the Fed's interest rates. Since interest rates have been slashed in the past 6 months and TIPS are paying almost nothing, I'd expect a drop, possibly a large drop, from the current 1.2% fixed rate.

Limits?
The old limits were $30K per SSN bought online through Treasury Direct, and another $30K bought in paper form from a bank. The Treasury recently cut these limits to $5K online and $5K in paper form per SSN. There are some reports of people being still able to order $30K of bonds online, but that's a YMMV at this point. I believe that I bonds bought jointly for another person in their SSN are taxable to the person who physically cashs them. At least this was true of paper bonds I cashed recently, meaning that you can buy paper bonds with all your trusted relatives (jointly but using their SSN), and not have any tax headaches for them if you hold them and eventually cash them. I am less sure whether this would work through the online system and invite comments by current users.

similar BankDeals discussion
TIPS, Savings Bonds, or regular Treasuries - which one fits you best?
Savings Bonds as an investment: a FAQ and info thread
New limits on Savings bonds
Currently I Bond Interest is 4.28%. Good time to invest some money?
Discussion of the new I bond rate at Vanguard Diehards

If you do NOT have a TreasuryDirect.gov account and want to get in before May, sign up for a TreasuryDirect account ASAP - even if undecided!!!

TreasuryDirect.gov requires a security card to log into their website which is MAILED TO YOU!!!

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$5k/$5k? That makes this "investment" pretty lame. Even at a 1% premium, that's $100/year. Plus, having to cash out the paper bonds is a bit of a hassle and makes the time investment larger.

I'm not sure this is worth taking action on for a measly $100/year.

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Inflation is likely to remain high for a while, so these are attractive long-term investments as well.

The fixed rate component will probably be lowered soon, so now is the time to stock up.

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walletfart said:Plus, having to cash out the paper bonds is a bit of a hassle and makes the time investment larger.You can buy a single $5000 paper I bond, it only takes a few minutes to cash out.

The $5K/$5K limit is per SSN, so your spouse and kids have their own limits.

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jayK said:walletfart said:Plus, having to cash out the paper bonds is a bit of a hassle and makes the time investment larger.You can buy a single $5000 paper I bond, it only takes a few minutes to cash out.

The $5K/$5K limit is per SSN, so your spouse and kids have their own limits.

How can you cash it out in a few minutes? Don't you have to take it to the bank (depends on how far bank is from you or out of your way) which is time + transportation money, get to a clerk, fill out form, and receive cash?

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Paper bonds can be converted to electronic. You just fill out a form on TreasuryDirect and mail them in.

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walletfart said:How can you cash it out in a few minutes? Don't you have to take it to the bank (depends on how far bank is from you or out of your way) which is time + transportation money, get to a clerk, fill out form, and receive cash?That's why it makes sense to have a local "retail" bank near you, with ACH links to your high yield accounts. I just cashed out a few old EE bonds a couple weeks ago. The bank was on my way to the grocery store, and I was in and out in about 5 minutes.

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I have 3.3K sitting in series EE bond since mar 2005 . will it be good idea to redeem that and buy I bond now ( i will loose 3 month interest at 3% ) . i am in 10% tax bracket .

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jayK said:Inflation is likely to remain high for a while, so these are attractive long-term investments as well.

But by this token, would it not make sense to wait till October to stock up? You'd get 6 months at 6.07% and if CPI stays high, another 6 months at high APY. No? Of course, that depends on your forecast on inflation but I agree with you that it's probably not gonna drop much if at all.

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Shandril said:jayK said:Inflation is likely to remain high for a while, so these are attractive long-term investments as well.

But by this token, would it not make sense to wait till October to stock up? You'd get 6 months at 6.07% and if CPI stays high, another 6 months at high APY. No? Of course, that depends on your forecast on inflation but I agree with you that it's probably not gonna drop much if at all.

I would not be suprised to see the fixed portion go down May 1st.Maybe even to 1/2%.
Just guessing on my part.

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manuvns said:I have 3.3K sitting in series EE bond since mar 2005 . will it be good idea to redeem that and buy I bond now?
No.

Higher rate bonds are better than lower rate bonds. Old I bonds had higher fixed rates since interest rates were higher in the past. Your bond will too.

Older I bonds are better than newer I bonds. This is because you're closer to ending the 1 year illiquid period and closer to ending the 5 year penalty period.

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Shandril said:jayK said:Inflation is likely to remain high for a while, so these are attractive long-term investments as well.
But by this token, would it not make sense to wait till October to stock up? You'd get 6 months at 6.07% and if CPI stays high, another 6 months at high APY. No? Of course, that depends on your forecast on inflation but I agree with you that it's probably not gonna drop much if at all.

The reason to buy now is that many experts, myself included, expect the I bond fixed rate to drop significantly on May 1st. For TIPS, the institutional version of I bonds, the fixed rate is very close to 0% presently. It's not like the 6 months you get at 4.28% are horrible compared to a random bank account or CD either, especially if you factor in the tax breaks. If you think the future inflation will be high, that's fine - just buy the bonds now and you'll start getting paid for that future inflation in a year. Sure this is a 6 month delay in when you get paid for that period of inflation, but you still get it.

I think it's clear that if you decide you want to buy a new I bond, you should buy it before May.

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Shandril said:jayK said:Inflation is likely to remain high for a while, so these are attractive long-term investments as well.

But by this token, would it not make sense to wait till October to stock up? You'd get 6 months at 6.07% and if CPI stays high, another 6 months at high APY. No? Of course, that depends on your forecast on inflation but I agree with you that it's probably not gonna drop much if at all.

That really is no reason to wait, unless you happen to think that the fixed rate will increase on May 1, AND you think you can do significantly better than 4.28% on your money between now and October. The I bond is not a 12 month only deal. If the CPI stays high, nothing stops you from holding onto an April bond for another 6 months to ride out that high rate. Good rate now + flexibility and potential for long-term = why one should buy in April.

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I have a big load of money from SECU CD maturing first week of May. Can i buy the bonds on apr 30 and then pay after a few days? Basically I am asking of there is a way to fund the bonds after a few days.

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mnsweeps said:I have a big load of money from SECU CD maturing first week of May. Can i buy the bonds on apr 30 and then pay after a few days? Basically I am asking of there is a way to fund the bonds after a few days.

Float it on your HELOC?

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ScrawneyWallet said:mnsweeps said:I have a big load of money from SECU CD maturing first week of May. Can i buy the bonds on apr 30 and then pay after a few days? Basically I am asking of there is a way to fund the bonds after a few days.

Float it on your HELOC?

no heloc...I rent..

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I noticed that the online site caps the maximum single I bond purchase at $5K. Has anyone who's purchased their $5K this year tried to purchase more to see if it will let you?

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The $5K/$5K limit is per SSN, so your spouse and kids have their own limits.

So if I am using my kids SSN, do I open separate accounts on TreasureDirect? If I do so, can I transfer money from MY SAVINGS account?
Can non-citizen purchase i-bond?
Thanks.

EDIT: Ok, I found out that I still have to open an account for myself and after I have my account established, I can create accounts for kids and then transfer/give them the bond as a gift. Still don't know about the citizen part because in the form of creating account, here is "I am a U.S. person.". Not sure what that means.

EDIT2: Found out about the qualifications: In order to open a TreasuryDirect account, you must be a U.S. citizen, resident, or individual who is at least 18 years old with a valid U.S. Social Security Number. You must also have a U.S. address of record and an account at a U.S. depository financial institution that will accept debits and credits using the Automated Clearing House method of payment. Any person who meets this criteria may also open a minor-linked account for his/her child.

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I'm confused about how the interest rate is calculated for each 6 month period. Why is the interest rate in the first 6 months (of a bond purchased in April 2008) based on the old inflation rate from Nov 2007? Shouldn't the interest from May'08 to Oct'08 (the first 6 months of the bond) be based on the new 2.42% inflation rate instead. After the first 6 months, the interest rate of the next 6 months will be based on the CPI-U numbers of April'08 to Oct '08 which will be released on Nov 08.

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